1st person only or 3rd person?

[HunterJay 81]

2 players don't engage. It's more probable for them to see you instead of you seeing them first. Camping is easy for 3PP which makes surviving harder then 1PP.

 

 

 

I don't get it. You guys agree that 3PP's view is really powerful. Yet you can't agree it's harder to stay alive in 3PP then 1PP. Just read your words "it's easier to kill people cheaply". Remember you are playing against 39 other players of whom some might be camping using your so called "cheap" tricks. Don't you think you would be at a disadvantage due to the sheer number of campers and the power of 3PP view? It's harder to survive on 3PP. 

 

Some of you are so wrapped up in 1PP denial. Face it. 1PP is easy. People that feel the need to worship 1PP while frowning at 3PP were probably terrible surviving in 3PP because of the sole frustration of easily getting spotted.

 

Trust me 1PP is not hardcore. Just cause you can't 3PP view doesn't mean you are above 3PP and you have so much skills. It takes true skills to really survive in Electro 3PP. Just try it.

 

 

 

 

Here's a tip for you. Get in a bush. Go into the middle of said bush and stay hidden. Put scope on and zoom. Voila. Easy mode camping. They won't even know what hit em. Understand?

 

 

 

Exactly another point 1PP people choose to ignore. Servers are so few in number and the majority of them are 30/30. If it's so hardcore and takes so much skills then why don't we see 40/40? I play both 1PP and 3PP but I am sick of seeing 1PP players sprouting nonsense like they are better than 3PP people. Stuff like , 1PP is the way true men play, oh my god you play 3PP? etc etc

 

It's quite sad cause whenever I play 1PP it is basically easy mode for me. I have to scout less and wait less in a house to see movement.

 

 

This 1000x!

 

1PP is not hardcore, because you bitch about not being able to survive in 3PP.

[rickyriot 1009]

The problem here is that people who play hardcore are trying to use words like "skill" and "too easy" to shame the lamecore players. That won't work, you need to be more honest with them. Lamecore players technically have smaller penises than hardcore players. Lamecore players also have uglier wives and go on to have uglier and stupider children. They also die earlier in life. It's those sorts of facts that need to be told. 

Edited February 19, 2014 by ricp

[Nicko2580 398]

People can see you because they can look over obstacles and around corners that they should not be able to.

As far as I am concerned that's as much cheating as upping your gamma so you can see during the night as if it's daytime. 

The devs talk about making this game 'authentic'. How is it authentic that you can have angles of view that your character cannot possibly have? 

As to skill, yes, it does take a lot more skill to play in 1pp. You can simply just look over walls or around corners. You do not have to take any risks when entering a building. I have to actively try to find you, I take a risk every time I go around a corner or through a doorway. You can just sit in one spot and shoot people that you should not know are there. I cannot. You can track someone for miles because every time they go out of sight,  you can simply rotate the camera until you can see them again and then follow them. I cannot, I have to actually keep them in my vision. You can see people behind you or sneaking up on you without barely moving. I cannot. The list goes on and on and on.

 

Edited February 19, 2014 by Nicko2580

[HunterJay 81]

Most 3PP players can play fine if forced to play 1PP. However, 1PP can't play 3PP as skillfully. Regardless what they think, which is the opposite of what I said I'm sure. Bias is bliss? Or was that ignorance?

[Grimey Rick 3417]

 

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[Judopunch 523]

Don't use grass as cover in 3rd or 1st... The rendering distances will be the death of you on both.

Depends on engagement range. At about 200M it can make a difference ;)

[rickyriot 1009]

Lamecore players also have stupider pets, I forgot to mention that. They also tend to use Internet Explorer to view webpages, and will drink extremely weak milky tea and coffee as anything with a strong taste scares them.

[Nicko2580 398]

 

 

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This is perfect. This destroys the arguments for 3pp precisely. 

[TokumeiSennin 34]

The problem here is that people who play hardcore are trying to use words like "skill" and "too easy" to shame the lamecore players. That won't work, you need to be more honest with them. Lamecore players technically have smaller penises than hardcore players. Lamecore players also have uglier wives and go on to have uglier and stupider children. They also die earlier in life. It's those sorts of facts that need to be told. 

 

Lamecore players also have stupider pets, I forgot to mention that. They also tend to use Internet Explorer to view webpages, and will drink extremely weak milky tea and coffee as anything with a strong taste scares them.

 

 

For now you only proved thats childish and immature kids like you also can play at hardcare servers not only normal and "pro" players. Do you really think that shallow provocation like it will work for any mental +10 yo players? "He said thats my penis is shorter, now i will start play hardcore to prove thats he wrong !" seriously... grow up.

I don't mind if you are aganist 3PP or 1PP, but at least use normal arguments like most forum members in that thread.

[PhilB 230]

I dabbled with it in mod, but never took to it.

 

SA has me converted to 1P, though! I won't deny it can be a difficult adjustment. Often claustrophobic.

 

dslyexcis' tagline is perfect, "If I can see you  . . . then you can see me."

 

Conversely, "If I don't see you . . . you probably don't see me." Which I like.

 

I naturally play better in 1P. I expose myself less. I feel like I can't see shit, but the math says otherwise.

 

 

Is it possible the issue with 3P is not so much the distance horizontally but more about the distance vertically? The exploit examples in dslyexci's video seem to suggest this.

 

When I get shot or hit by a zombie, I might bleed in a particular spot. Only way to ascertain that in current 1P is to press Tab-inventory. Not the biggest gripe in the world, mind you, but firefights and zombiefights is one of those times I need to quickly check my character to see if and where I'm bleeding. And Tab ing to the inventory screen is inelegant, to say the least.

 

-----However, after much thought, I realize I have no answer. I can't fathom a compromise that would even suit my tastes. 

[mercules 1290]

2 players don't engage. It's more probable for them to see you instead of you seeing them first. Camping is easy for 3PP which makes surviving harder then 1PP.

No it doesn't. You see... there are a few issues you are overlooking:

1. Zombies don't use 3rd person. As the zombie pathing gets put in and there number goes up to the point they actually become a reasonable threat you will have an advantage on them in 3PP that 1PP view won't have.

2. Players do engage. The 3PP will not always work for you. You see, to make best use of it you really have to camp. I mean it can be used while moving around to some to check but the way to get the best results from it is to be in a location where you can easily see all around with 3PP but you can't be easily seen, which means not moving. Which means you have to gear up. That is the only dangerous time is while you are moving about to gear up and that is when you run into other players doing the same and when you end up with engagements where you both end up using periscopes to watch the other person and shoot them when they leave cover.

 

 

I don't get it. You guys agree that 3PP's view is really powerful. Yet you can't agree it's harder to stay alive in 3PP then 1PP. Just read your words "it's easier to kill people cheaply". Remember you are playing against 39 other players of whom some might be camping using your so called "cheap" tricks. Don't you think you would be at a disadvantage due to the sheer number of campers and the power of 3PP view? It's harder to survive on 3PP.

Except on 1PP there is no point where you can get a "cheap easy kill". See, that is the difference. 3PP servers are hard... until they are not. For one thing your hardness totally depends on the number of players as you have eliminated bumbling into zombies you didn't know were around the corner. You can spot them easily so your ONLY threat is another player. Now, since, as you put it, if they see you first then there probably isn't an engagement your main threat is geared up players using the 3PP trick while you are unable to do the same.

Well, why can't you do it? Probably because you are still moving about gathering gear and 3PP tricks work best from static positions. So really you are in the most danger while gearing up. Once geared up you can sit in a nice camping spot and you are fairly safe and sound because NO ONE ELSE can use the trick you are using. There are places where the trick only works one way. Which means once you have a gun and get into those locations the game just hit easy mode.

Now with the Hive it's really easy to hop to an empty server where there are little to no players(remember, only threat in 3PP) gear up, move to a 3PP camp spot, then hop onto a busy server. I'm not saying you do this, but I am certain others do.

Some of you are so wrapped up in 1PP denial. Face it. 1PP is easy. People that feel the need to worship 1PP while frowning at 3PP were probably terrible surviving in 3PP because of the sole frustration of easily getting spotted.

Not really... when I play the mod I mostly play on 3PP servers because that is what my friends playing the mod but not SA like to play in. They just simply find it easier, their words. I agree. It's easier to fly helicopters, kill zombies, spot people.

Playing the SA before the hardcore servers I found I could simply use 3PP to avoid other players. Since I had experience from the Mod it was simple to slip into a building, close the door, watch the other players and slip out when I knew they were looking the other way. I could do the same with a ridgeline, run down one side of it and peek over the other side.

I've been killed more in Hardcore than I was prior to that, heck I've been killed by zombies on a Hardcore server, rounded a corner into 5 of them that must have killed someone. All agro'd and I got hit trying to cross a fence and ended up knocked down. Then I was stuck.

 

Trust me 1PP is not hardcore. Just cause you can't 3PP view doesn't mean you are above 3PP and you have so much skills. It takes true skills to really survive in Electro 3PP. Just try it.

Been there, done that, for over a year. I spent time hunting snipers in the hills above Electro/Cherno as well as running through them gearing up on 3PP servers. I've killed multiple people because I could line up the shot using 3PP and only pop out long enough to pull the trigger while they tried to figure out where I was. Trust me, it IS easier in 3PP I've done both.

 

 

 

Here's a tip for you. Get in a bush. Go into the middle of said bush and stay hidden. Put scope on and zoom. Voila. Easy mode camping. They won't even know what hit em. Understand?

Here is a pro-tip for you, doesn't work all that well. You see... due to the rendering of the engine that bush doesn't hide you all that well at great distances. Here is another pro-tip, unlike 3PP where you can flip the camera around to tell how well you are hid, you have to actually HOPE you are hidden by the bush and are sometimes wrong on 1PP servers.

 

 

Exactly another point 1PP people choose to ignore. Servers are so few in number and the majority of them are 30/30. If it's so hardcore and takes so much skills then why don't we see 40/40? I play both 1PP and 3PP but I am sick of seeing 1PP players sprouting nonsense like they are better than 3PP people. Stuff like , 1PP is the way true men play, oh my god you play 3PP? etc etc

You don't play 1PP, at least the comments you make lead me to believe you dabbled at it once... I've also not claimed that it takes more skill, i've stated 3PP removes a lot of the depth of combat.

 

Now that you mention it though... it does shift the skill over to sitting in a hiding spot. You must realize the reason newly spawned players are called Bambies by so many is that they spend their time hunting them much like my dad hunts deer in the woods. Sit in a single place overlooking a spot where there has been bait at some point in time, wait for them to wander by, then peek out of your hidey hole and shoot them. 3PP makes it so you don't even have to sit up to peek out. This is by far the simplest form of hunting.

So the skill you are espousing is even more simple than what you are calling simple skill for 1PP. It is this simple. Learn where the good hidey spots are and stay out of range and/or line of sight of them. End of story.

[soulfirez 901]

Can we cut all this bull out the op just wanted to start another flame war its dead simple you like 3pp for what ever reason play 3pp you like 1pp play on a 1pp server/hardcore. What people in 3pp servers do does not affect me when i am playing a1pp server and vice versa.

 

There is a reason they split the hive is it not obvious yet after what the 5th thread along this line that just turns into flaming.

[Martmital 436]

I would have preferred if they only had first person view from the very get go. Now they have to balance the game for 2 different gamemodes. They tried to please everyone, even the ones that really do not like the hardcore aspect of the game, and now you can see how even more casual things are suggested.

 

 

You do realise that both views have ALWAYS been in ArmA.  They haven't tried to please anyone except the hardcore players by giving them what they wanted.  1PP only servers...

 

Get rid of either view points and you lose players from the game.

 

if you wanna be Billy Big Bollocks and prove you are uber l33t DayZ player, play solely 1PP on a 3PP servers.  That is how real men play!

[Canned Muffins 82]

Classic DayZ gameplay and strategies stem from regular servers and more generally veteran players still go to those servers.Its a better game with the option for both views just like games like Star Wars Battlefront,Splinter Cell,SOCOM,ect.... Even vehicle gameplay in games like Halo use it. Player bases like the DayZ community like viewing their character and being able to tell if you are actually in cover. Its preference and why we have two hives. The argument that it provided unfair scenarios plays on the idea that positioning is determined and that a person who is peaking ultimately will win a battle. Well this ignores the fact that intel is not going to kill the enemy, to kill an enemy you still much leave cover enough to expose oneself to harm to do any harm to another. Knowing your enemy and where they are is just a fraction of a encounter what you do with that intel is what makes or breaks it. I play both and find hardcore in general lifeless as its servers generally are lowly populated so the risk of actually being engaged is low. If I want a challenge I PVP with my group on higher population regular servers. Its in my opinion far more challenging setting up tactics and strategy with the classic DayZ experience and player base. Hardcore is something I generally play by myself when my group is offline. I find it less dangerous and challenging in terms of other players but more challenging when dealing with positioning and zeds.  

 

At the end of the day I will still shit on most hostile players I encounter or approach simply because I have played the game and have more experience in negotiations. Its more challenging and exciting approaching players even armed ones with nothing more than a magnum and the inclination to have a conversation. Anything that happens after the first few words is icing on the cake and if it is bullets exchanging then so be it. Player perspective doesn't make the player its how the player performs.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Canned Muffins

[Demoth 366]

Can we cut all this bull out the op just wanted to start another flame war its dead simple you like 3pp for what ever reason play 3pp you like 1pp play on a 1pp server/hardcore. What people in 3pp servers do does not affect me when i am playing a1pp server and vice versa.

 

There is a reason they split the hive is it not obvious yet after what the 5th thread along this line that just turns into flaming.

 

I didn't want to start any war. I was putting in my thoughts about a discussion I had with some friends, and suddenly everyone, including you SOULFIREZ, turned this into a giant mud slinging contest for no reason.

 

I didn't say 1PP players are better than 3PP players. I didn't say you were stupid for picking one over the other. I simply mentioned I don't like it that you can't see anything while crawling in grass in 1PP while everyone more than 200 meters away sees you clear as day wiggling around.

 

Then suddenly you waltz in, after we've had pleasant discussions in the past, and accuse me first of being a whiner, but now of setting troll bait? After reading other things you've posted, I wasn't aware you were such a dick for no reason.

[Demoth 366]

PS - I'm going to report my own thread. This wasn't supposed to turn into some gamer-penis measuring contest about who is more 1337. This needs to be closed because obviously this topic is turning everyone into tantrum throwing children.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

The only thing that bothers me about 3PP is when clans like CQF walk around talking about how 1337 their tactics are in briefings when all they do is play on regular and corner peek lol. 

 

I like to play regular, however, as I get bored in hardcore sometimes not being able to see my character. I played a LOT of SWTOR so it's kind of a habit.

 

I prefer 1PP for the more immersive challenges it brings however. 

 

There is a distinct difference in the way you have to play between Reg and Hardcore.

 

I don't think there should be a discussion about removing either.

Edited February 19, 2014 by DeatHTaX

[Inception. 9443]

PS - I'm going to report my own thread. This wasn't supposed to turn into some gamer-penis measuring contest about who is more 1337. This needs to be closed because obviously this topic is turning everyone into tantrum throwing children.

 

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