1st person only or 3rd person?

[minime1000 78]

No. The fourth square with same vision radius cannot spot people inside buildings. In 3PP people can be ducking their head downs unseen behind a wall under a window leaning into the wall and spotting you. They spot you out way faster than you finding them due to 3PP.

 

This game is all about first cotact. If you are the first to see, you have higher chance to survive.

 

You guys are so dense it's unbelievable. Campers are harder to pass through in 3PP compared to 1PP. How hard is to grasp this simple concept?

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With corner peeking the one who sees or corner peeks first has a ridiculous advantage even when he is outnumbered and outskilled. Camping with 3rd person is almost godmode.

[Max Planck 7174]

Guys, just a little reminder:

Personal insults aren't necessary, after all it's just a video game you are discussing. Let's not lose our sense of proportions.

Furthermore, personal insults aren't allowed here, and people who use them will be dealt with in a cruel and unusual manner.

 

These threads often go downhill very fast, let us keep this one sober.

[fitzee 248]

LoL.

 

Nobody is dense, everyone understands your point. However like someone already pointed out, since 3PP makes the game so much easier for those 3 campers vs being harder for the 1 guy walking into the skill-less, tactic-less ambush, then overall it is easier.

 

I do agree however, that 1PP servers shouldn't be called hardcore. They should be called regular, while 3PP servers should be called rookie.

 

Would make sense seeing that the game the RV engine was made for automatically turns 3PP off when you turn the difficulty settings up.

 

Regards.

[mercules 1290]

No. The fourth square with same vision radius cannot spot people inside buildings. In 3PP people can be ducking their head downs unseen behind a wall under a window leaning into the wall and spotting you. They spot you out way faster than you finding them due to 3PP.

 

This game is all about first cotact. If you are the first to see, you have higher chance to survive.

 

You guys are so dense it's unbelievable. Campers are harder to pass through in 3PP compared to 1PP. How hard is to grasp this simple concept?

 

I never said they weren't harder to pass. What I did point out and you ignored is that it is very very very very very very simple to camp in 3PP and not nearly as easy in 1PP. You see, to observer someone in 1PP you have to actually have some part of you visible. It might not be much or for long but it has to be out there or covering up the crack or something. If you are hiding then your FoV is narrowed down to what you can peek through/over/under/around not nearly as open as 3PP allows. Yes the game becomes harder for the person moving around but it becomes SO MUCH EASIER for the camping person that it negates any difficulty the non-camper has.

It also eliminates nearly all of the higher level tactics that would get employed during a firefight and lowers them to the very simple, "Hide and shoot when they are no longer hiding." It basically dumbs the game down. 

[Nicko2580 398]

Guys, just a little reminder:

Personal insults aren't necessary, after all it's just a video game you are discussing. Let's not lose our sense of proportions.

Furthermore, personal insults aren't allowed here, and people who use them will be dealt with in a cruel and unusual manner.

 

These threads often go downhill very fast, let us keep this one sober.

Apologies. Thanks for keeping the peace. I do not wish to be the victim of something cruel and unusual (although I am, every time I get killed by someone using a magic eye in the sky camera view ;) :p )

[Demoth 366]

this but add to it he starts by saying no whining but then proceeds to whine about 1pp and about as you say a problem thats shared in both . oh wow brilliant thread...

We had cordial discussions in other threads, not sure why you're being combative with me now.

The issue is when you're in 3PP, and you're prone, you can see When people are approaching.

I was pointing out some problems, not whining.

[Solopopo 330]

I truly love the idea of first person only, but forcing myself to use it is not enjoyable. First person isn't very smooth no matter what frames I am getting. It just doesn't feel right, possibly because acceleration is on, but I think it's more than that. I played CS:GO for a month with acceleration on because it was on only slightly and I didn't realize it was on by default. It didn't bother me at all; that is until I found out. There is something just off about the way the screen rotates in game. It is so choppy. Not only that, but you have much better control and awareness in 3rd person. It is easy to kill an armed player close range with a melee weapon, because its difficult to hit a close, fast moving, target with a gun in first person. I have killed many armed players with only an axe, because I have more of an idea of where I am in relation to where my enemy is, assuming they are aiming in first person. I have actually resorted to firing in third person when I am in close range. Sometimes, when I am up against an armed player, I will even chose my axe over my secondary, because there is a good chance he is using first person to shoot, and it is really that difficult to hit a close, fast moving target in first person. If you manage to get behind a person using first person it completely disorients them, and they are done for. In a game like CS:GO, or pretty much any other shooter, you would have your head blown of in an instant. I'm not saying I dislike this though. I love killing armed people with my axe  :D It's just why I don't use first person.

 

I used to be an FPS fanatic. I used first person in WarZ. For me to resist playing in first person shows just how awful it really is. I was actually extremely disappointed with my purchase of DayZ until I saw how much more smoothly the game seems to run in 3rd person. This has been my experience on two separate computer set ups. 

Edited February 18, 2014 by Solopopo

[TokumeiSennin 34]

Want to play only 1st person view - play on hardcore server - all there are under same rules.

Want to play 3rd and have possible change to 1st - play regular 

 

Its simple, should be fine even for them which want to remove 3rd view from this game.

Edited February 18, 2014 by TokumeiSennin

[Nicko2580 398]

Want to play only 1st person view - play on hardcore server - all there are under same rules.

Want to play 3rd and have possible change to 1st - play regular 

 

Its simple, should be fine even for them which want to remove 3rd view from this game.

As I said earlier in this thread it's not so simple. 

There are exactly 2 hardcore servers that show up when I search and neither of them ever have more than 4 - 5 players on them. If you're lucky enough to have heaps of populated hardcore servers in your region, yay for you... but I get the shaft if I want to actually play with other people and yes, it pisses me off.

So basically myself and anyone else in my immediate region (and I am very sure other regions too) are forced to play at a big disadvantage.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Nicko2580

[TokumeiSennin 34]

As I said earlier in this thread it's not so simple. 

There are exactly 2 hardcore servers that show up when I search and neither of them ever have more than 4 - 5 players on them. If you're lucky enough to have heaps of populated hardcore servers in your region, yay for you... but I get the shaft if I want to actually play with other people and yes, it pisses me off.

So basically myself and anyone else in my immediate region (and I am very sure other regions too) are forced to play at a big disadvantage.

Odd... I see 20 hardcore servers and at 3 is over 10 players, at 1 have 30 players, rest have less than 10. Hmm..

[Nicko2580 398]

Odd... I see 20 hardcore servers and at 3 is over 10 players, at 1 have 30 players, rest have less than 10. Hmm..

You're in Poland and I am in Australia mate. 

Different regions. I could connect to those servers, but at like 400ms ping.

[mercules 1290]

Odd... I see 20 hardcore servers and at 3 is over 10 players, at 1 have 30 players, rest have less than 10. Hmm..

 

Odd... I see you are in Poland and the person quoting... beat me too it. :)

You're in Poland and I am in Australia mate. 

Different regions. I could connect to those servers, but at like 400ms ping.

[GoldenKade 73]

I play FFP only but you are right about the grass rendering.

Grass rendering is a problem in both perspectives unfortunately

But in FPP you are at a slight disadvantage because you cant see and to you it looks like your in cover,

but to the person 200m away can't see that grass that covers you.

 

Bottom line, Dont use grass as cover!

Don't use grass as cover in 3rd or 1st... The rendering distances will be the death of you on both.

[TokumeiSennin 34]

You're in Poland and I am in Australia mate. 

Different regions. I could connect to those servers, but at like 400ms ping.

Sounds sux. Sad to hear that. I see you are not alone with that problem. Looks like i missed few facts and problem is not so simple for some players. 

[fitzee 248]

Sounds sux. Sad to hear that. I see you are not alone with that problem. Looks like i missed few facts and problem is not so simple for some players. 

 

Hi.

 

Yes, the problem gets further compounded when you add in that the devs allow servers on the public hive to run 24/7 daylight. The community gets so divided, It can be next to impossible to play the game with full features. Well without forking out the $$ for your own server.

 

Regards.

[gibonez 3633]

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Unfortunately, as the game is now, trying to stalk someone or creep up on someone shooting from range is impossible in only 1st person unless the shooter has no situational awareness.

 

 

 

Not impossible at all, infact I find it easier since they cant cheat and look around objects.

[Nicko2580 398]

Hi.

 

Yes, the problem gets further compounded when you add in that the devs allow servers on the public hive to run 24/7 daylight. The community gets so divided, It can be next to impossible to play the game with full features. Well without forking out the $$ for your own server.

 

Regards.

I am seriously considering just getting my own HC server and advertising it on every australian gaming board I know of...

[crazyandlazy 376]

That certainly isn't true.

In 3PP 2 players engage. Both find cover. They then sit in cover until the other one leaves cover then they pop up and shoot the other one. That is how the combat goes. If you are lucky you can retreat behind cover in a way that you can then circle around and shoot them from an unexpected angle, BUT this requires that you have cover that you can move directly away from. 

In 1PP 2 players engage. Both find cover. Now each in turn has to consider trying to keep eyes on the other. You don't want to sit in cover because doing so means your opponent can move to a different location and either flank you or shoot you as you come out of cover from an unexpected area. Of course if you peek out you run the risk of catching a bullet. So do you duck into the cover, or half in, or what? What if you ducked in and your opponent just posted and is now aiming at your cover ready to shoot as you emerge? Then again how long can he sit there exposed and watch that spot and what if you have long cover like a low wall where you could shift down the wall in cover and then pop up over there? What if he starts to use suppressing fire? Bullets pinging off your cover or right over your head can certainly convince you to stay in it and meanwhile he could shift over to a different angle. Since you can't magically see where he is you can't tell if your cover is about to be negated but if you peek you might be hit. This is especially true when it is group on group where one of them might be flanking you while one of the others pops shots into and around your cover. 

It is REALLY easy to negate covering fire in 3PP because you can see them moving and just shift to remain in cover. 

 

2 players don't engage. It's more probable for them to see you instead of you seeing them first. Camping is easy for 3PP which makes surviving harder then 1PP.

 

 

Oh so like I said - easy mode. 

Your argument is - "It's easier to see in 3pp therefore it's harder to play on a 3pp server."

No. It's easier to kill people cheaply on a 3pp server. It's far harder to play and be good at the game in 1pp.

 

I don't get it. You guys agree that 3PP's view is really powerful. Yet you can't agree it's harder to stay alive in 3PP then 1PP. Just read your words "it's easier to kill people cheaply". Remember you are playing against 39 other players of whom some might be camping using your so called "cheap" tricks. Don't you think you would be at a disadvantage due to the sheer number of campers and the power of 3PP view? It's harder to survive on 3PP. 

 

Some of you are so wrapped up in 1PP denial. Face it. 1PP is easy. People that feel the need to worship 1PP while frowning at 3PP were probably terrible surviving in 3PP because of the sole frustration of easily getting spotted.

 

Trust me 1PP is not hardcore. Just cause you can't 3PP view doesn't mean you are above 3PP and you have so much skills. It takes true skills to really survive in Electro 3PP. Just try it.

 

 

I never said they weren't harder to pass. What I did point out and you ignored is that it is very very very very very very simple to camp in 3PP and not nearly as easy in 1PP. You see, to observer someone in 1PP you have to actually have some part of you visible. It might not be much or for long but it has to be out there or covering up the crack or something. If you are hiding then your FoV is narrowed down to what you can peek through/over/under/around not nearly as open as 3PP allows. Yes the game becomes harder for the person moving around but it becomes SO MUCH EASIER for the camping person that it negates any difficulty the non-camper has.

It also eliminates nearly all of the higher level tactics that would get employed during a firefight and lowers them to the very simple, "Hide and shoot when they are no longer hiding." It basically dumbs the game down. 

 

 

Here's a tip for you. Get in a bush. Go into the middle of said bush and stay hidden. Put scope on and zoom. Voila. Easy mode camping. They won't even know what hit em. Understand?

 

 

Odd... I see 20 hardcore servers and at 3 is over 10 players, at 1 have 30 players, rest have less than 10. Hmm..

 

Exactly another point 1PP people choose to ignore. Servers are so few in number and the majority of them are 30/30. If it's so hardcore and takes so much skills then why don't we see 40/40? I play both 1PP and 3PP but I am sick of seeing 1PP players sprouting nonsense like they are better than 3PP people. Stuff like , 1PP is the way true men play, oh my god you play 3PP? etc etc

 

It's quite sad cause whenever I play 1PP it is basically easy mode for me. I have to scout less and wait less in a house to see movement.

Edited February 18, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[crazyandlazy 376]

 

 

Not impossible at all, infact I find it easier since they cant cheat and look around objects.

 

There you go. One fellow 1PP player agree it's easier. Jesus. 

[Nicko2580 398]

2 players don't engage. It's more probable for them to see you instead of you seeing them first. Camping is easy for 3PP which makes surviving harder then 1PP.

 

Oh really, you don't say? That doesn't mean you're better at the game because you can get easy kills in 3pp. It's artificially hard.

 

I don't get it. You guys agree that 3PP's view is really powerful. Yet you can't agree it's harder to stay alive in 3PP then 1PP. Just read your words "it's easier to kill people cheaply". Remember you are playing against 39 other players of whom some might be camping using your so called "cheap" tricks. Don't you think you would be at a disadvantage due to the sheer number of campers and the power of 3PP view? It's harder to survive on 3PP. 

It takes zero skill to kill someone after spotting them over a wall that you're not supposed to be able to see through. ZERO SKILL. 

 

Some of you are so wrapped up in 1PP denial. Face it. 1PP is easy. People that feel the need to worship 1PP while frowning at 3PP were probably terrible surviving in 3PP because of the sole frustration of easily getting spotted.

Wrong. 3PP is easy. 1PP requires you actually use your brain and think about what you're doing before you do it.

 

Trust me 1PP is not hardcore. Just cause you can't 3PP view doesn't mean you are above 3PP and you have so much skills. It takes true skills to really survive in Electro 3PP. Just try it.

No, I'm not going to 'trust you' because you're talking nonsense. 

 

Exactly another point 1PP people choose to ignore. Servers are so few in number and the majority of them are 30/30. If it's so hardcore and takes so much skills then why don't we see 40/40? 

Because most people like things to be easy. That's why they use gamma tricks at night and 3pp to take easy kills.

 

It's quite sad cause whenever I play 1PP it is basically easy mode for me. I have to scout less and wait less in a house to see movement.

By your own admission this sentence is bullshit. A few posts back you were saying it's easier to see people and movement in 3pp. Make up your mind.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Nicko2580

[TokumeiSennin 34]

I am seriously considering just getting my own HC server and advertising it on every australian gaming board I know of...

I wanted to suggest it before but i resigned, didn't wanted be rude. Its little not fair ask someone thats if he want solve own problem then should buy/rent own server.

 

 

Exactly another point 1PP people choose to ignore. Servers are so few in number and the majority of them are 30/30. If it's so hardcore and takes so much skills then why don't we see 40/40? I play both 1PP and 3PP but I am sick of seeing 1PP players spruting nonsense like they are better than 3PP people. Stuff like , 1PP is the way true men plau, oh my god you play 3PP? It's quite sad cause whenever I play 1PP it is basically easy mode for me. I have to scout less and wait less in a house.

I have no intention to compare 1PP and 3PP. Its normal thats some people want justify them choice. I choiced 3PP cuz its harder than 1PP... I choiced 1PP cuz i am hardcore-man and 3PP are too easy.. etc, etc... Some people have right, some overdoing it. I don't want judge no one here.

Edited February 18, 2014 by TokumeiSennin

[eleventhavenue 204]

I don't get all this talk about ´´skill´´. Why does it matter, really?

3PP players are doing really great. Since Hardcore was added, I haven't spotted a single periscope sniper because they're all on 3PP servers (obviously). Good for me!

[crazyandlazy 376]

 

 

2 players don't engage. It's more probable for them to see you instead of you seeing them first. Camping is easy for 3PP which makes surviving harder then 1PP.

 

Oh really, you don't say? That doesn't mean you're better at the game because you can get easy kills in 3pp. It's artificially hard.

 

I don't get it. You guys agree that 3PP's view is really powerful. Yet you can't agree it's harder to stay alive in 3PP then 1PP. Just read your words "it's easier to kill people cheaply". Remember you are playing against 39 other players of whom some might be camping using your so called "cheap" tricks. Don't you think you would be at a disadvantage due to the sheer number of campers and the power of 3PP view? It's harder to survive on 3PP. 

It takes zero skill to kill someone after spotting them over a wall that you're not supposed to be able to see through. ZERO SKILL. 

 

Some of you are so wrapped up in 1PP denial. Face it. 1PP is easy. People that feel the need to worship 1PP while frowning at 3PP were probably terrible surviving in 3PP because of the sole frustration of easily getting spotted.

Wrong. 3PP is easy. 1PP requires you actually use your brain and think about what you're doing before you do it.

 

Trust me 1PP is not hardcore. Just cause you can't 3PP view doesn't mean you are above 3PP and you have so much skills. It takes true skills to really survive in Electro 3PP. Just try it.

No, I'm not going to 'trust you' because you're talking nonsense. 
 

Exactly another point 1PP people choose to ignore. Servers are so few in number and the majority of them are 30/30. If it's so hardcore and takes so much skills then why don't we see 40/40? 

Because most people like things to be easy. That's why they use gamma tricks at night and 3pp to take easy kills.
 

It's quite sad cause whenever I play 1PP it is basically easy mode for me. I have to scout less and wait less in a house to see movement.

By your own admission this sentence is bullshit. A few posts back you were saying it's easier to see people and movement in 3pp. Make up your mind.

 

 

If it's so easy for someone to kill then wouldn't it be harder to actually survive? You are up against 39 other players assuming you don't easy mode low pop lol.

 

You saiid

killing = easy in 3PP

3PP servers = 39 other players that can kill you easily

therefore, harder to survive

 

1PP = easy mode. You don't need skills. You just have to go slower than usual. That's about it.

[Nicko2580 398]

 

 

 

If it's so easy for someone to kill then wouldn't it be harder to actually survive? You are up against 39 other players assuming you don't easy mode low pop lol.

 

You saiid

killing = easy in 3PP

3PP servers = 39 other players that can kill you easily

therefore, harder to survive

 

1PP = easy mode. You don't need skills. You just have to go slower than usual. That's about it.

 

It's artificially hard. This is not Gears of War. It's only hard because I am at a constant disadvantage because I refuse to use 3PP.  

There is no skill involved in stalking your prey and getting a kill while using 3pp. You can see him wherever he goes. 

If I stalk and kill you in 1pp, there's a buttload more skill involved ESPECIALLY if you were using 3pp when I killed you.

[crazyandlazy 376]

It's artificially hard. This is not Gears of War. It's only hard because I am at a constant disadvantage because I refuse to use 3PP.  

There is no skill involved in stalking your prey and getting a kill while using 3pp. You can see him wherever he goes. 

If I stalk and kill you in 1pp, there's a buttload more skill involved ESPECIALLY if you were using 3pp when I killed you.

 

lol what the heck is artificially hard?

 

Note 1PP does not equal to needing more skills to play. 1PP just switches your view and that's it. Sure the devs wrote it as hardcore but as of yet, limiting your view does not mean more skills is necessary. You still scout just like 3PP. I have said it before and will say it again, in 3PP you actually have to sit and wait for the gun shots cause you really don't know which building the campers are in. You don't. If you move out and sneak around sneaky like in1PP they will see you.

 

1PP takes away the ability of the power of a set of eyes from other 39 players in the server. Thus, you feel much safer. When you both run into each other, it's so easy to go out of sight of the enemy. It's too easy in fact!

 

If 1PP had limited stamina, hands twitching shaking, adverse environmental conditions or any other restrictions besides simple view then it would be hard. As of now. It's easier than 3PP.