So why do people refuse being held up?

[vTACv 25]

I haven't had many problems with people putting their hands up and being held up. Here is a thread that proves a lot of people rather give us their shoes then die Lulz it was actually fun having players cooperate http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164085-day-z-alpha-play-styles/#entry1657425. I guess it depends on the type of wayy you engage them.

Edited January 15, 2014 by vTACv

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

I haven't had many problems with people putting their hands up and being held up. Here is a thread that proves a lot of people rather give us their shoes then die Lulz it was actually fun having players cooperate http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164085-day-z-alpha-play-styles/#entry1657425. I guess it depends on the type of wayy you engage them.

I'll notice them, approach with my gun down, and ask them. That's it. No shouting or anything like that.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

I'll notice them, approach with my gun down, and ask them. That's it. No shouting or anything like that.

Shouting tend to increase compliance... at least according to law enforcement :)

[krihelion 175]

half the time I end up killing the guy anyway

[Meeshe 170]

I wont give you the satisfaction of handcuffing, and  robbing me. 

 

There is no penalty for death in the game so I'll play and if need be die how I want to.

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

I think this thread proves there needs to be a proper penalty for death.

[djporternz 644]

... but I don't see why people are refusing to put their hands up so I can put the handcuffs on. It's either that or I kill you, so you pick what you want. I've had to kill 5 people today because they're defying my relatively friendly (for a bandit at least) request. I don't want to kill you, I want to rob you and let you live so you don't have to run back to where you were.

Have you tried asking for something, you know, like, nicely. Something like, 'I've got spare cans of sardines here, you got anything I might need?'

 

You want to get all handcuffy, then you might as well shoot me. Makes no nevermind if I'm here with no gear, or back with the family on the coast. And the advantage for me is that bullet is probably going to ruin the only piece of gear I've got that you'd want. Sucks to be you!

 

So try more suspicious person and less thuggy bandit? You may be surprised how much more compliant people are to a person who understands manners and ettiquet, even when the world goes to shit.

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

Have you tried asking for something, you know, like, nicely. Something like, 'I've got spare cans of sardines here, you got anything I might need?'

 

You want to get all handcuffy, then you might as well shoot me. Makes no nevermind if I'm here with no gear, or back with the family on the coast. And the advantage for me is that bullet is probably going to ruin the only piece of gear I've got that you'd want. Sucks to be you!

 

So try more suspicious person and less thuggy bandit? You may be surprised how much more compliant people are to a person who understands manners and ettiquet, even when the world goes to shit.

If you're a friendly bandit you're not really a bandit. I'm being as nice as I can be while also being a bandit.

[Admiral_69 78]

The only time I was held up the guy took a bunch of my blood and I had grey vision for hours. I doubt I will ever let someone handcuff me again.

[djporternz 644]

I think this thread proves there needs to be a proper penalty for death.

No. There needs to be a penalty for killing! <-- See what I did there? Now we can get straight to the debate about who's got the biggest dick without actually havig to bother with the OP at all. At least this thread will be exactly the same as every other one on these forums.

[creature 1189]

Lulz.

 

 

I think this thread proves there needs to be a proper penalty for death.

 

You sound like the people who say kos players should be mentally handicapped as punishment.

 

All this thread proves is that not only do the kos whiners complain that they can't play the way they want because of kos, but you're crying that you can't play the way you want as well.

[Publik 404]

It's more because A. people don't want to get force fed bleach and B. people have nothing to lose by dying. Even with stuff to lose (like that healthy status you spent hours eating shit for), there are too many stories of people being fed bleach or rotten fruit or just killed once cuffed. If you get cuffed, you just give your assailants unbroken gear and a new pinata, so why make it easy for em? Fight a little and make em ruin your gear in the process, and maybe you kill one of them while you're at it.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Publik

[antykain 200]

I'll notice them, approach with my gun down, and ask them. That's it. No shouting or anything like that.

 

Anyone approaching me with a gun out, down or not.. Is hostile intent in my book.  You can guarantee I will be aiming down my sights at anyone with a gun out approaching me.  

[Vicco 123]

I try not to KoS (as mentioned here: http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164425-being-a-bandit-that-doesnt-kos-feels-good/#entry1661245) but even doing that gets you shit on. People that have either no gear, or just a melee weapon refuse to put their hands up. I tend not to try it with people with high end gear, because they'll know I'm around and usually they just sit holding down their sight, but I don't see why people are refusing to put their hands up so I can put the handcuffs on. It's either that or I kill you, so you pick what you want. I've had to kill 5 people today because they're defying my relatively friendly (for a bandit at least)

You're a bandit. Some people don't take kindly to bandits. They'll just respawn. As you said, they only have melee weapon to lose. So tough shit for you.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Vicco

[hells high 676]

Because people that have almost no gear have no reason to stay alive.

Because it annoys them and they want to try to hurt you for trying.

Because most often people will kill someone shortly after stealing all their stuff and wasting their time.

Because this is a video game where consequences don't matter.

 

Take your pick, but stop acting like you are some kind of hero that deserves praise and compliance because you didn't automatically shoot the poor sod in the face. Hold up someone that actually has a reason to stay alive.

[Vicco 123]

Because people that have almost no gear have no reason to stay alive.

Because it annoys them and they want to try to hurt you for trying.

Because most often people will kill someone shortly after stealing all their stuff and wasting their time.

Because this is a video game where consequences don't matter.

 

Take your pick, but stop acting like you are some kind of hero that deserves praise and compliance because you didn't automatically shoot the poor sod in the face. Hold up someone that actually has a reason to stay alive.

He might get shot. If he wants gear he'll just KOS. I don't get these guys who want to RP with other people who want no part of it.

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

Because people that have almost no gear have no reason to stay alive.

Because it annoys them and they want to try to hurt you for trying.

Because most often people will kill someone shortly after stealing all their stuff and wasting their time.

Because this is a video game where consequences don't matter.

 

Take your pick, but stop acting like you are some kind of hero that deserves praise and compliance because you didn't automatically shoot the poor sod in the face. Hold up someone that actually has a reason to stay alive.

I don't even understand some people on this forum. I haven't said that.

[AllDayZSimon 75]

I assume it has to do with the majority of hold ups resulting in a more degrading death anyways.

 

Most people would rather fight/log than be handcuffed and fed disinfectant from a bunch of cackling squeakers.

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

I assume it has to do with the majority of hold ups resulting in a more degrading death anyways.

 

Most people would rather fight/log than be handcuffed and fed disinfectant from a bunch of cackling squeakers.

Alright, I get that. Thank you for not being an obnoxious prick.

[hells high 676]

I don't even understand some people on this forum. I haven't said that.

 

You don't need to say things outright for them to be implied. The entire wording of you posts imply that these people are idiots and you deserve compliance for being a "friendly bandit".

 

Its okay though, I've killed plenty of "friendly bandits" while they attempted to hold up new spawns in Solinichniy. Then I generally distribute food and supplies to the townsfolk. If you want to change the way people play try interacting with them in a way most people don't, instead of making an obnoxious "holier than thou" bandit thread.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Hells High

[capt. beefsteak 95]

Some people just want to experiance the game, regardless of what situation they're in... You can't log out in real life, and those shit talkers that are like 13 1/2 that say they will beat the armed individual to death in real life have never feared for their own life. Even an unloaded firearm pointed in your direction is unsettling... I could only imagine the fear of one that's loaded when your unsure of the individuals intentions, take it all I say... Maybe tomorrow you get yours, and maybe just maybe, by my hand..

 

I'll add an edit: If you get held up, loose a firefight, fall off a ladder etc.. it does not mean you need to (as kids say git gud) get good.. It mean's your luck ran out.. It mean's someone this time was playing differently. It mean's you were stalked, hunted or just sighted period. Alot of people get their little "feelers" hurt when this happens, but hell, you do the same shit. Nobody is perfect, nobody is the best.. Good because you shoot newspawns? Good because you shoot people from 800m? Good because you did better than someone today? IT'S ALL A LOAD OF SHIT TALK.

 

If you ask me, get good by accepting the outcome of your encounter.. Get good by not logging out, get good by dying with dignity, or perhaps get good by living with a little humility. The game wasn't based on good or bad. In a real situation, most kids (I say this aimed at the balotafield group) would kill each other for being stupid (If their "true actions" ) were being displayed here. The world would be less stupid, and nobody would just kill for the sake of killing. The difference in maturity is very obvious when you meet other survivors.

 

At the end of the day, it appears those who say get good are just cowards, killing people that never had any intentions of killing them.. The key to survival in this game is staying off the coast where all the lame garbage players hang out. With there "clans" and "bros".. I challenge you to actually play, and get good at survival, rather than telling the unsuspecting people to get good.. More than often the cowards hold people up for a little purple backpack with one can of beans a few rag's and a flashlight.. Worse part ever, there stupid inventory is full already.. So who really needs to get good?

Edited January 16, 2014 by Deepfryer

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

You don't need to say things outright for them to be implied. The entire wording of you posts imply that these people are idiots and you deserve compliance for being a "friendly bandit".

 

Its okay though, I've killed plenty of "friendly bandits" while they attempted to hold up new spawns in Solinichniy. Then I generally distribute food and supplies to the townsfolk. If you want to change the way people play try interacting with them in a way most people don't, instead of making an obnoxious "holier than thou" bandit thread.

Oh wow, stop trying to act as if you're a hero.

[Jock McScottish 216]

hmm, its a strange one. I have only had a chance to play properly in the last few days, and as yet in the game? I have bumped into no-one. I have also became attached to my character, its been fun gearing him up and splitting zeds with my axe. So I am still wondering how I will react to being held up. Reading through the thread I can understand both points to the argument, people don't want KOS, but they don't want to feel like anyones bitch either. The way I look at it is this, is being cuffed and force fed to death any worse than being killed on sight? Death is death in the game.

 

If someone wants to cuff you and torture you? At least its interaction. You get an inkling to the workings of the person doing you damage and why they are doing it, and you get the chance to engage with them, to talk your way out of it or hope something crazy happens like the bandits get shot by a passing hero and lady luck smiles upon you. If you fail you fail, and its back to square one. Give me that any day over someone just shooting you on the spot as soon as they set eyes upon you.

 

Folks on here saying that they would rather die a glorious death than dare let someone cuff them... are taking themselves and the game WAY too seriously. Lighten up and have some fun for goodness sake! All is fair in love and war after all...

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

hmm, its a strange one. I have only had a chance to play properly in the last few days, and as yet in the game? I have bumped into no-one. I have also became attached to my character, its been fun gearing him up and splitting zeds with my axe. So I am still wondering how I will react to being held up. Reading through the thread I can understand both points to the argument, people don't want KOS, but they don't want to feel like anyones bitch either. The way I look at it is this, is being cuffed and force fed to death any worse than being killed on sight? Death is death in the game.

 

If someone wants to cuff you and torture you? At least its interaction. You get an inkling to the workings of the person doing you damage and why they are doing it, and you get the chance to engage with them, to talk your way out of it or hope something crazy happens like the bandits get shot by a passing hero and lady luck smiles upon you. If you fail you fail, and its back to square one. Give me that any day over someone just shooting you on the spot as soon as they set eyes upon you.

 

Folks on here saying that they would rather die a glorious death than dare let someone cuff them... are taking themselves and the game WAY too seriously. Lighten up and have some fun for goodness sake! All is fair in love and war after all...

I weirdly feel attracted to you somewhat.

[Ozelot (DayZ) 394]

I'd just shoot you, OP.