So why do people refuse being held up?

[noblue 27]

I've been in this situation once. I ran away, and the guy eventually killed me (after shooting like 20 rounds from an M4).

 

My thinking is that I just spawned, so worse case is that I respawn. Meanwhile, if I let the guy rob me, he might kill me anyway, which would be frustrating. Plus I'd rather die a virtual death than be part of some guy's virtual bondage fantasy.

Edited January 16, 2014 by noblue

[hells high 676]

Oh wow, stop trying to act as if you're a hero.

 

Are you arguing that playing as a character that is helpful to other players isn't a "hero" character? Are you delusional or just trying too hard?

 

I'm not saying my way is the right way to play DayZ, I'm saying that my way is different and changes the way people play. The way YOU play is the same as every other asshat that ties someone up, steals their gear, then shoots them in the head. http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/165282-to-my-guardian-angel-with-a-high-powered-rifle/

 

You should actually be thankful, if the character I'm playing right now (I change my characters each time, maybe next spawn I'll be a bandit) is helpful and kind, other players are more likely to comply to your "friendly banditry" because they'll see that not everybody gets their giggles from virtual torture and murder.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Hells High

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

Are you arguing that playing as a character that is helpful to other players isn't a "hero" character? Are you delusional or just trying too hard?

 

I'm not saying my way is the right way to play DayZ, I'm saying that my way is different and changes the way people play. The way YOU play is the same as every other asshat that ties someone up, steals their gear, then shoots them in the head. http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/165282-to-my-guardian-angel-with-a-high-powered-rifle/

 

You should actually be thankful, if the character I'm playing right now (I change my characters each time, maybe next spawn I'll be a bandit) is helpful and kind, other players are more likely to comply to your "friendly banditry" because they'll see that not everybody gets their giggles from virtual torture and murder.

Haha oh dear. http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164425-being-a-bandit-that-doesnt-kos-feels-good/#entry1661245

[Combine (DayZ) 247]

Folks on here saying that they would rather die a glorious death than dare let someone cuff them... are taking themselves and the game WAY too seriously. Lighten up and have some fun for goodness sake! All is fair in love and war after all...

 

To be honest, I can't take those people too serious anyway.  I mean also those pretending they never die and always winning any encounter. Stuff like "I'd shoot you" or "They'd never see me coming". You can win against all odds, but you die eventually.

 

They all die eventually. If it's not to glitches it can be random. I know people with experience hunting big groups for fun or other reasons and they also die. If these basically / more or less skilled people do, then anyone does, I guess.

 

E: And yeah, it's a game. Lighten up, have some more creative fun. "Losing" (being at a disadvantage) can be fun too if you get out of there alive! It's just a game AND: Don't get too attached to your gear. Also means chars.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Combine

[hells high 676]

Haha oh dear. http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/164425-being-a-bandit-that-doesnt-kos-feels-good/#entry1661245

 

Yes because when someone runs up to you and says "Hey put your hands up" you automatically know that its Mays from the DayZ forums that isn't going to kill you shortly thereafter (like 90% of the rest of the people that say the exact same thing).

 

If you are going to continue to have this discussion (replying is continuing a discussion) at least try not picking out the lines you misunderstand and replying with "oh wow" and "haha".

Edited January 16, 2014 by Hells High

[DemonGroover 8836]

I have had this problem with just trying to get newbies to Saline bag me.  Most just try their luck on a geared character because all it takes is a couple of punches and they can steal your gun and finish you off.

 

The one guy who did help then asked me to kill him so he could respawn.  Atm new spawns have no fear of death so why would they waste time being held up.

 

If you want to hold someone up you need to find someone who wouldn't want to lose his gear/life. 

 

If someone got the drop on me and said "Hands Up" i'd probably comply - unless i was somewhere where i knew they couldn't get a line of sight on me.

[twizzm 34]

i don't care how many of you there are. I will never surrender nor combat log. Even if all I have is an axe, I will charge you if you impede on my survival.

[Mays (DayZ) 154]

Yes because when someone runs up to you and says "Hey put your hands up" you automatically know that its Mays from the DayZ forums that isn't going to kill you shortly thereafter (like 90% of the rest of the people that say the exact same thing).

 

If you are going to continue to have this discussion (replying is continuing a discussion) at least try not picking out the lines you misunderstand and replying with "oh wow" and "haha".

I'm done trying to explain it to you. You seem incapable of understanding anything that you don't agree with.

[Immersive 121]

Simple cause why would I let you take my stuff. When you probably can't aim anyway, and it's liability whether you'll put a bullet in my brain anyway after robbing me. I don't care what you bandits do, kill, steal, rob. Fine, but dont tell me you're gonna let me go after you rob me, 9/10 times the bandit would kill me anyway unless he's a decent guy cause people like to be cruel.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Immersive

[pteryx 14]

I don't have time to listen to police academy dropouts yell at me over direct chat.  Losing gear never matters, but landing an axe or shooting them is always rewarding.

Edited January 16, 2014 by pteryx

[vladiman 25]

Add in a death timer or make losing characters mean something other than losing gear and then more people will rather be held up.

 

And to everyone who says they'd rather go down fighting...I'll put a bullet in you the moment you equip a weapon, either that or my buddy with a mosin will take you out from afar. So you most likely won't even get a chance to do anything and I'll just move on. But if you cooperate with me, you'll get to live and keep most of your items.

[unicornsmustdie 32]

it just flies in the face of psychology to assume that people would rather succumb to whatever is next, without any guarantee you will not shoot them after robbing them anyway. And if you are a possible lousy shot (assumption) and I have a fire axe, then in my mind, that makes us equal.

 

The whole idea that even when someone with an M4 lowered approaches me with an M4 lowered and tells me to drop my gun or raise my hand so he knows I'm not about to shoot is preposterous. It's a clear sign of people still coming to terms with the game dynamics. The fact that the dynamics are still flawed is not helping (i.e. there is no reason to survive as much as there should be. I don't have a stash of beans in a tent somewhere which will disappear when I die. Or anything I carry is precious instead of commodity. Or because of my continued crafting items I am now an expert of sorts and can craft things noone else can).

 

The killing will stop once people have something to live for :) It's like that in real life conflict, the same applies in-game.

Edited January 16, 2014 by unicornsmustdie

[Leto (DayZ) 72]

I'm not anyone's pet. I'll die fighting.

 

Seriously, if you are into the whole taking prisoners or being held as one, Good for you. I have zero interest in that kind of gameplay.

[argotto 7]

Twice today my friend was held up as a fresh or nearly fresh spawn.  Both times he let them handcuff him just for the sake of laughs and out of curiosity of what might happen.  All that happened was that both times the people doing the "questioning" merely wasted his time while fumbling around trying to figure out how to 'torture' him or just plain give him some disinfectent.  It was a waste of time and fighting them would have been a much better response instead of sitting there simply hoping they will spare him. 

 

I personally ran into a group of 2 people trying to hold me up on the road, both armed to the teeth and all I had was a pipe wrench.  They come up to me to play their little game and I think to myself, "Should I take a chance and potentially let them not only waste my time, but make a fool of me for no good reason, or should I go down swinging?".  The answer resulted in me getting lucky with a couple of good swings and got fully equipped in the process.

 

The point is that just because someone holds you up at gunpoint claiming to have good intentions does not mean they do.  Why take the risk?  There is always a good chance with almost any melee weapon that requires 2 hands that you might actually win the fight.  In fact I would say you have a very good chance at that.  You want to role play in a game where death is a major inconvenience, then expect most people who might have had many bad experiences to fight back with a vengeance.  It isn't out of desperation or spite, it is for survival and a big chance at gearing up. Simple as that.

[africanhungergames 192]

put their hands up.... hold up.... its the same thing buddy why would you ask someone who has no weapons to put their hands up, what is the point and thats the question you still have not answered. If they have no weapon why not just talk to them with your gun drawn i find that works well and when i do that everyone complies with me. It seems to me you just want to have fun torturing new spawns but no one is playing ball and letting you handcuff them because they have nothing to lose.

 

Thats just my opinion please dont take offence.

Edited January 16, 2014 by africanhungergames

[argotto 7]

Add in a death timer or make losing characters mean something other than losing gear and then more people will rather be held up.

 

And to everyone who says they'd rather go down fighting...I'll put a bullet in you the moment you equip a weapon, either that or my buddy with a mosin will take you out from afar. So you most likely won't even get a chance to do anything and I'll just move on. But if you cooperate with me, you'll get to live and keep most of your items.

 

If we are talking about a group of people holding one guy up.. then that is a completely different story.  However, if you are alone, your aim in this game wont always be perfect if the guy dashes off sprinting behind a tree or building before you hit him.  It only takes one hit from a fire axe to kill you, and several with a pipe wrench to get the job done as well.

[caledric 45]

It seems most of you are missing the point here... We all need to be banding together to figure out who the girl in the picture is!

[argotto 7]

It seems most of you are missing the point here... We all need to be banding together to figure out who the girl in the picture is!

 

Alas, that is an impossible task. 

[Torv 2]

Twice today my friend was held up as a fresh or nearly fresh spawn.  Both times he let them handcuff him just for the sake of laughs and out of curiosity of what might happen.  All that happened was that both times the people doing the "questioning" merely wasted his time while fumbling around trying to figure out how to 'torture' him or just plain give him some disinfectent.  It was a waste of time and fighting them would have been a much better response instead of sitting there simply hoping they will spare him. 

 

I personally ran into a group of 2 people trying to hold me up on the road, both armed to the teeth and all I had was a pipe wrench.  They come up to me to play their little game and I think to myself, "Should I take a chance and potentially let them not only waste my time, but make a fool of me for no good reason, or should I go down swinging?".  The answer resulted in me getting lucky with a couple of good swings and got fully equipped in the process.

Basically this. If I spawn and get held up relatively soon, I'm going to see if I can get a lucky hit to their head with whatever I have on hand. 

If I'm decently kitted out and a group of people decide to hold me up I would be way more inclined to go along with it (if they don't sound like complete douches) than one person attempting to hold me up LET ALONE try and handcuff me.

[argotto 7]

I'm done trying to explain it to you. You seem incapable of understanding anything that you don't agree with.

 

This coming from a guy who keeps making threads to question this thread and its outcome.  Or even posting/insulting the general playerbase who disagrees with you in random other threads?  Seriously?  I really think you need to practice what you preach in this regard.  You absolutely refuse to grasp the simple concepts that people are putting out in front of you and not only resort to insults, but vague replies that lead up to further insults. 

 

What is the point of making a thread like this if you can't accept a rebuttle?

[caledric 45]

Alas, that is an impossible task. 

 

Nothing is impossible if we work together!

[caledric 45]

While doing research on her I found this and immediately became distracted...

 

[Wargunner 55]

To put it briefly, people are too focused on their never ending quest for loot, rather than the 'role-playing' element of the game and the many scenarios it can generate.

 

A 'grind for gear' so to speak, like the numerous other MMO's out there. Unfortunately this is what most people make of the game when it has so much more potential.

[DKR 104]

Got held up twice tonight.

They both just shot me and laughed.

Never surrender again.....

[soulfirez 901]

To me the problem has a few reaons behind it the no rp aspect is one its currently easy to re gear again and gearing and pvping is the game to many many people.

 

Death has no real sting when loot can easily be gained but then if loot was hard being held up for it is just as bad as dying you say and your right.

 

Hence why alot of people want to give value to a characters life so they will want to stay alive beyond just the gear they carry.

 

We are talking about a player base where most find the idea of killing yourself to get a better spawn as a lgitimate tactic.

 

Lastly as many have said you are not the norm people like the herioc society medical division are they will cuff vocally abuse you torture you bothin game and again vocally directed to you the player and in the end they will just kill you anyway so for those who have endured that there is no more surender death is a far better idea specially when death as it is doesnt really have any meaning...