Craftable body armor

[SFRGaming 718]

Be able to use materials to make padding for protection from zombie hits, player melee attacks, etc. Keep in mind this should be nothing like skyrim :p

[wild_man 4442]

like this ;)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2P3sSCGLM

 

if was possible in cowboy times for sure is possible now  :thumbsup:  :D

[enforcer1975 1111]

That's most probably a hollywood myth, that shit isn't bullet proof unless you shoot 6mm bbs at it. I'm pretty sure a high powered .177 bullet will still penetrate it, it's no dense enough, cast-iron is pretty brittle.

Boiled leather as the name suggests needs some processing to be durable, normal leather would be like a leather jacket. Crafting leather itself is time consuming and needs pretty hazardous liquids.

Rubber tires can be cut into armor pieces like f.e. shoulder and knee protectors provided you have some tools since the tires have threads which are difficult to cut. You'd have to balance it of course or else you will end up encumbering yourself. I don't think you can/should wear a full suit of improvised armor but protecting the forearms would be a primary task if i wanted to go hugging some zeds.

[mercules 1290]

... but protecting the forearms would be a primary task if i wanted to go hugging some zeds.

 

Why? It's not like you can become a Zed from being bit. Survivors are immune to the disease itself.

[NagsterTheGangster 388]

I hope they make the crafting like that.

 

Would make the game a lot..easier and give something else for the players to do.

[AP_Norris 1018]

That's most probably a hollywood myth, that shit isn't bullet proof unless you shoot 6mm bbs at it. I'm pretty sure a high powered .177 bullet will still penetrate it, it's no dense enough, cast-iron is pretty brittle.

Boiled leather as the name suggests needs some processing to be durable, normal leather would be like a leather jacket. Crafting leather itself is time consuming and needs pretty hazardous liquids.

Rubber tires can be cut into armor pieces like f.e. shoulder and knee protectors provided you have some tools since the tires have threads which are difficult to cut. You'd have to balance it of course or else you will end up encumbering yourself. I don't think you can/should wear a full suit of improvised armor but protecting the forearms would be a primary task if i wanted to go hugging some zeds.

If you could find 1/4 inch steel plate... Would probably stop 5.56

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Why? It's not like you can become a Zed from being bit. Survivors are immune to the disease itself.

Still not a good idea to let them bite/scratch you.  We do get non zombie infections, not to mention bleeding.

[SFRGaming 718]

I never intended this to stop bullets lol

 

I said it could protect from player's/Zed's melee.

[enforcer1975 1111]

Why? It's not like you can become a Zed from being bit. Survivors are immune to the disease itself.

 

What big mike said and if you offer them something that tends to bite something to bite into you can give smack them with the other hand. And if you had protected forearms you could also hit harder like with boots compared to sneakers.

 

Still not a good idea to let them bite/scratch you.  We do get non zombie infections, not to mention bleeding.

 

 

If you could find 1/4 inch steel plate... Would probably stop 5.56

 

 I wonder if you want a 400x250x6.35mm steel plate in front of you that weighs about 5kg and is so stiff you wouldn't be able to move right. maybe even one more in the back and have 10kg... kind of like this just smaller. I would still knock you over after a hit.

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

I wonder if you want a 400x250x6.35mm steel plate in front of you that weighs about 5kg and is so stiff you wouldn't be able to move right. maybe even one more in the back and have 10kg... kind of like this just smaller. I would still knock you over after a hit.

Not to mention trying to run in that shit... Fuck that. Edited October 31, 2013 by OfficerRaymond

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

I hope they make the crafting like that.

 

Would make the game a lot..easier and give something else for the players to do.

NO! This game is not about getting things easy.

[The Law (DayZ) 6]

What big mike said and if you offer them something that tends to bite something to bite into you can give smack them with the other hand. And if you had protected forearms you could also hit harder like with boots compared to sneakers.

 

 

 

 

 I wonder if you want a 400x250x6.35mm steel plate in front of you that weighs about 5kg and is so stiff you wouldn't be able to move right. maybe even one more in the back and have 10kg... kind of like this just smaller. I would still knock you over after a hit.

You forgot to mention trying to climb "Ladders of Death" and "Barn Stairs of Dismay" :D

[harley001 315]

Putting steal in front of you WON'T help.  Remember in medieval times we wore plate armor.  That plate armor itself was thick and often with chain-mail under that and padded armor under that.  That is pretty thick.  It didn't stop MATCHLOCKS.  That is why they stopped wearing it.  (though calvary often wore some form of armor).  If all that steel didn't stop a matchlock musket.  How do you think a piece of steel would fare against a assault rifle?  As the op said he never intended custom armor vs players.  Was just pointing that out for everyone trying to argue you could make homemade bulletproof armor without Kevlar.  

 

HOWEVER.  The ideal shows some promise against zombies.  If anyone hear ever read World War Z then you know they had all sorts of armor against zombies.  Bite-proof fabric, chain-mail.  They would even wear leftover medieval armor if they found it.  So the ideal of making armor to protect  from zombies sounds interesting.  (Though they should still be a threat if you swarmed).  

Edited November 1, 2013 by harley001

[MitchP 9]

My old 2nd gen Ipod shat out so i shot it with my .22, it didnt even go right through. And thats only a tiny, thin piece aluminium, so like AP said, 1/4 inch steel would probably stop 5.56, but it would be annoying as heel to lug a sheet of steel round on your chest!

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Some kind of improve armor would be welcome.  As said it wouldn't protect very much from bullets but that's not the only threat out there.  Sports equipment would be a logical place to start, I'm only familiar with what most of you would call 'Hand Egg' for armor (football would seam to be the game of choice in Chenarus judging from the field types) but something as simple as a leather jacket would provide some protection from scratches and bites.  War Z (book) was mentioned, most of that is existing specialty equipment such as shark suits, while most bemoan the movie (I think overall it's not a bad movie, just not true to the source material) Vogue and Duck Tape arm guards sounds like a good idea (I mean Christ on a pogo stick, the ads alone in one of thous things could probably stop a low caliber bullet).  It might sound kinda silly but making a suit of armor out of tin cans could possibly work (against zombie bites and scratches anyway).

I would remind that all armor does not protect against all things.  A Knight would have an outer layer of plate to protect against crushing blows (axes, maces, heavy swords) and slashes, a layer of chain mail under that to protect against piercing attacks (arrows, bolts, stabs, axes again) and a layer of padding/leather under that to soften the blows and hopefully block whatever gets through the first 2 layers.  A Kevlar vest might stop a bullet, but won't stop a knife (so much so that I believe UK police wear stab vests now instead of bullet proof vests).  Different protective equipment should be looked into, from the simple (sports gear), to the somewhat absurd (think they call it 'Dragon Scale' armor, soldiers can dive on a grenade and only get slight bruising from the impact).

[LeeHarveyEnfield 311]

I should be able to gather telephone directories and fashion a bullet proof suit using Velcro and epoxy resin and the telephone directories

 

all these items exist in the real world and if I am not very much mistaken the laws of physics still apply

 

failure to implement this shall be seen a sloppy game design practice by all right thinking men of substance

[enforcer1975 1111]

My old 2nd gen Ipod shat out so i shot it with my .22, it didnt even go right through. And thats only a tiny, thin piece aluminium, so like AP said, 1/4 inch steel would probably stop 5.56, but it would be annoying as heel to lug a sheet of steel round on your chest!

 

I think you are comparing apples and oranges here. The .22 has so much less muzzle energy and is practically a slow flying flat nosed piece of lead sometimes with a copper jacket while the 5.56 or any other type of military issued round is designed just for that purpose, defeat body armor and hit what is behind it. The current issued round for the US army seem to be quite good and i don't think they are lying about the numbers. The .22 does what it was designed for no doubt, i don't want to be hit with a .17 either...not with any kind of bullet except 6mm plastic bbs or paintballs.

 

 

The M855A1 was able to penetrate ³⁄₈ inches (9.5 mm) of steel plate at 300 meters.

Edited November 1, 2013 by Enforcer

[-Gews- 7443]

I think you are comparing apples and oranges here.

 

 

And besides the 10x difference in energy there's mild steel vs homogenous or face-hardened armor, and the steel penetrator in the SS109/M885 vs the squishy .22 bullets... I don't think the Ned Kelly stuff would work so well in modern times.

 

1/4 mild steel plate vs M885

[AP_Norris 1018]

snip snip snip.

Yes, it doesn't have to be for stopping bullets.

Police are from my knowledge often issued with thinner, knife proof vests in areas like NZ where guns crimes are uncommon.

But makes me think about places like London where there's lots of knife attacks.

Hate me for saying it, but medieval armour.

Its been more than 500 years since guns started being used but now humanity's main threat is using sharp nails and blunt force in attempt to kill you.

What protects best against a zombie than some light chain or plate armour?

A breast plate may seem obstructive, but in reality it is the least restrictive part, it is possible to do flips and parkour with that shit on.

Chain mail would be a perfect defence against the zombies, light, flexible and impact reducing, it might even have a similar effect as Kevlar allowing a bullet to impact you but slow down instead of piercing.

Modern impact reducing motorcross armour.

American football.

Ice Hockey.

Even just a thick jacket.

I know my brothers punches barely hurt when I wear my thickest jacket with all its padding.

So many possibilities for protection can't just be avoided, things you see or use everyday, things lying in your closet or garage.

I don't want A team style one piece of corrugated iron stops rifle rounds, but I would like their style of fix this crap on this car/ person and you stand more of a chance.

Offer people the option to specialise in zombie killing and maybe that's what they'll do.

Endgame equipment don't have to be PVP stuff.

[AP_Norris 1018]

And besides the 10x difference in energy there's mild steel vs homogenous or face-hardened armor, and the steel penetrator in the SS109/M885 vs the squishy .22 bullets... I don't think the Ned Kelly stuff would work so well in modern times.

 

1/4 mild steel plate vs M885

There is going to be a ruger 10 22 in the SA.

Any HP bullet or Sub sonic bullet wouldn't break a 1/4 inch of steel.

10kg of steel is nothing compared to 20kg packs soldiers carry marching.

And the plates are evenly distributed, packs are all on da back.

[-Gews- 7443]

There is going to be a ruger 10 22 in the SA.

Any HP bullet or Sub sonic bullet wouldn't break a 1/4 inch of steel.

10kg of steel is nothing compared to 20kg packs soldiers carry marching.

And the plates are evenly distributed, packs are all on da back.

 

Well, it would provide protection from a 10/22, pistol rounds as well as most bullets at a high angle of incidence... still, I don't think the decrease in mobility would be worth it though, best not to get shot in the first place. Anyways, I think if something is practical you will see people doing it, but homemade steel armor is something you pretty much never see... in terms of bullets.

 

But the OP didn't mention bullets, he only mentioned melee combat. So yes, "armor" for that would be cool up to a point, and it could also possibly deflect or slow down a bullet or pellet, but specifically against firearms I think it would be mostly useless.

[enforcer1975 1111]

There is going to be a ruger 10 22 in the SA.

Any HP bullet or Sub sonic bullet wouldn't break a 1/4 inch of steel.

10kg of steel is nothing compared to 20kg packs soldiers carry marching.

And the plates are evenly distributed, packs are all on da back.

 

If you wanted the same protection level modern armor can provide you need to literally carry a ton of steel just to do that. They tried to clad people in armor plating when the Thompson smg was gaining populatiry and dropped it because of the drawbacks. If it would have been successfull most soldiers would have been issued with a suit of armor wouldn't they? Instead they go the way of balancing weight and mobility. Even a suit like in iron man wouldn't save a person because once it gets hit with something bigger than small arms fire f.e. an rpg round  or a grenade launcher all whats inside is turned into goo due to the forces involved.

I found this while looking for pics, this one is even older ( 1880 ) than was i was looking for. It weighed 44kgs and afaik they only shot lead bullets back then?

 

Pic is too big so i linked it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Ned_kelly_armour_library.JPG

Edited November 1, 2013 by Enforcer

[AP_Norris 1018]

If you wanted the same protection level modern armor can provide you need to literally carry a ton of steel just to do that. They tried to clad people in armor plating when the Thompson smg was gaining populatiry and dropped it because of the drawbacks. If it would have been successfull most soldiers would have been issued with a suit of armor wouldn't they? Instead they go the way of balancing weight and mobility. Even a suit like in iron man wouldn't save a person because once it gets hit with something bigger than small arms fire f.e. an rpg round  or a grenade launcher all whats inside is turned into goo due to the forces involved.

I found this while looking for pics, this one is even older ( 1880 ) than was i was looking for. It weighed 44kgs and afaik they only shot lead bullets back then?

 

Pic is too big so i linked it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Ned_kelly_armour_library.JPG

Need Kelly was a boss.

[Krobar 75]

When I first saw this thread Back to Future 3-esque door-from-the-cast-iron-oven body armor came to mind.

[enforcer1975 1111]

When I first saw this thread Back to Future 3-esque door-from-the-cast-iron-oven body armor came to mind.

 

 

Well he would have been dead or heavily injured but you know hollywood...normal bullets don't penetrate steel barrels but "cop killer" bullets do...