Are All "Hackers" Bad?

[applejaxc 2500]

This thread blew up while I was off. I didn't "Follow" it and had no idea so many people responded...

If I can, right now, make the OP more clear:

I do not support online, multiplayer hacking for any reason, be it revenge, lolz, or to gain an unfair advantage over other players.

I know the difference between a hacker and a cheater, thus I kept putting it in quotes; I figured people would understand the post better with calling the individuals in question a hacker.

We had BattlEYE disable. It was off; BattlEYE didn't open/launch/scan anything or anyone. People with or without CD keys could join, as far as I know. No cheat protection, no connection to the official Banhammers of Banhalla.

Once again, I don't support hacking.

Who brought up the "Cod nub" thing? Playing Call of Duty doesn't make you become a prick or idiot; you're usually one beforehand.

The video was up for about two months before the ban; there was no battlEYE connection.

No one needs to be rude to anyone. We can all be friends here. Stay civil, people.

Now if I may ask...

None of us knew as to how JackFrags/FrankieOnPcIn1080p made their awesome video intros/outros. A lot of us trying googling it, found nothing, gave up, and decided to disable battlEYE on a private server. It was a closed, controlled environment, with as much influence on the rest of the world of DayZ as a fly's fart on the moon of a dying planet ten trillion AU away from Bettlegeuse 5 in the opposite direction from earth affecting the dietary habits of Sloths on the sun.

But I guess the end-all be-all rule is, if you modify or play the game the way we don't like, regardless of when/where/how it happened, instaban? That's a little harsh, I think... I mean, that's like getting sued by Ford because you painted the interior of your Ford Fiesta blue instead of black or having your Driver's License revoked because of a stunt you pull in a skating park.

[applejaxc 2500]

lol. There is only so much you can do. People will hack, and to further stop them, raising Prices for a good Game is a simple add-on to do it.

Making a game more expensive makes it more likely to get pirated!

If I have $20, and a game I want costs $10, I'll buy it. If it costs $15, I'll buy it and probably eat off the dollar menu that night. If it's $20, I guess I'm not going to eat dinner. If it costs $30, I'm going to piratebay.

*Hypothetically; the "I" used in the above scenario is a personal pronoun used only for convenience.

[Zionist Wabbit 154]

How many Games are you able to Pirate and still have Multiplayer? Near none. Most Games, esspecially Steam-based Games, come with a single CD Key which cannot be used outside of that account - So, by Pirating a Game, all you're doing is giving you Single Player (..If the Download works. More then likely Pirates of popular Games are just Key-Stealers) which will inevitably be stopped soon enough after a BattlEye scan of the downloaded Files.

...If you can't afford a $30 Game, you ought to find some work or do extra hours. Not everything in life is free, sooner you can find a way to deal with it the sooner you'll progress to an adult. Until then, stinge off Mummy's Credit Card.

Edited March 16, 2013 by Zionist Wabbit

[Mr Nasty 1023]

Like its been said before im surprised that these threads keep popping up. Of course all hackers are bad.

[applejaxc 2500]

How many Games are you able to Pirate and still have Multiplayer? Near none. Most Games, esspecially Steam-based Games, come with a single CD Key which cannot be used outside of that account - So, by Pirating a Game, all you're doing is giving you Single Player (..If the Download works. More then likely Pirates of popular Games are just Key-Stealers) which will inevitably be stopped soon enough after a BattlEye scan of the downloaded Files.

...If you can't afford a $30 Game, you ought to find some work or do extra hours. Not everything in life is free, sooner you can find a way to deal with it the sooner you'll progress to an adult. Until then, stinge off Mummy's Credit Card.

Well contrary to popular belief, humans can't devote all of their money to video games and hobbies when they have to juggle rent, commuting, taxes, food, water, electricity, property taxes, medicine, dates, donations, and helping your family. Yeah, money does a lot of things. Sometimes there isn't enough spare money or time.

--anyway--

So your defense is ohmygosh, multiplayer doesn't work? Pff... First of all, there's noSteam and DarkSteam, to name the two most infamous steam-hating groups that I know of, who use Tunngle to connect gamers without CD keys. What was that Lemon one that was used for COD 4? It got in a bunch of trouble until it moved to "The Cloud" where it was essentially untouchable. You can still play COD 4 for free without downloading it (although the streamed version is considerably laggier than normal). Do some google searches.

Should I continue? I do not mean to be rude, or challenge your intelligence, sir, but do some research. Steam isn't needed for Steam games. There's ways around everything. Ever read the story about Alexander and the Gordian Knot?

[terrvik 2409]

If it costs $30, I'm going to piratebay.

No, then you don't get to play the game. If it is too expensive you don't buy it, and you sure as hell won't solve the problem by making it worse.

And cheating is never ok as long as other players are involved. dn_cornholio all you want but don't feed the disgusting script business.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

At the moment, I'm as poor as a church mouse. But I really, really want an Track IR system. Now, because it's too expensive for me does not mean I can justify stealing one in any way, even if i can get it piped into my house and no one gets physically hurt when I do.

It's the same with software. We as a society have become so used to downloading software that we don't feel it's wrong.

When it comes down to smaller companies like BI, there's just no way pirating their software can be condoned. I can understand vagely folk ripping of mega corporations like EA, but it's still "illegal" and fundamentally wrong..

Now, lets get of the piracy topic or I will lock and hide. It's against the rules.

Rgds

LoK

[applejaxc 2500]

Now, lets get of the piracy topic or I will lock and hide. It's against the rules.

Rgds

LoK

Sorry. Again. :)

So the general consensus is, even if its not hurting anyone, and it's 100% for Machinima purposes and not actual gameplay cheating whatsoever, it's against BattlEYE policy, so the ban is justified? Fair enough. I don't see anyone playing Devil's Advocate with me, so I guess the argument/debate/whatever is over.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Yes, that seems to be the consensus. How would you expect BE to look into every ban that claimed "but i was just making vids QQ". Well the answer is to not make those vids on BE servers.

[OrLoK 16185]

Script as much as you like solo, that's not an issue.

Just keep it offline. :)

L

[dappadan95 332]

yes

[OrLoK 16185]

oh a small caveat, I dont script on or offline and dont know if they can be picked up by BE running or not, my above comment was on gaming at large.

Just don't touch those scripts. Just in case.

L

[Shrapnell 92]

Personally, I think the OP's friend's ban was incredibly.. uncalled for.

He was using it to create entertaining content, not nuke servers and spawn in snipers and go godmode so you can 'l33t snipz' the noobs and cum in your hands at your aimbotted headshots.

[TheDesigner 1197]

I've rarely met a hacker on ArmA. I've met scripters, who bought scripts with mommy's credit card, but no hackers.

Whether you use scripts for good or bad, you are still using illegitimate ways to make the game more enjoyable for yourself. You can try and rationalize it as making the game better for others, but in reality you're just a bum who can't play the game properly because of *insert long, whine-filled statement here as to why you script*.

Personally, I think the OP's friend's ban was incredibly.. uncalled for.

He was using it to create entertaining content, not nuke servers and spawn in snipers and go godmode so you can 'l33t snipz' the noobs and cum in your hands at your aimbotted headshots.

BE doesn't state that as long as you use your scripts for good, you're okay to exploit the game. I bet anyone who kills OP or his friend are "hackers" to them and they just turn on the scripts and kill the guy. I know for a fact that if you're immature enough to buy scripts, you can't handle the power you have to use it for only "good" reasons.

It's like giving a child a flamethrower and telling him only to use it when necessary. When the hell will you need a flamethrower you ask? Exactly.

People who whine saying they use their scripts for videos are, in my eyes, borderline mentally challenged. You can go into editor and make all these scripts LEGAL in the eyes of BE by adding them into a mission file and loading up said missions. Scripts aren't some super leet hax, I can make 90% of them in 10 minutes, they're just regular ArmA 2 scripts being injected into servers. All that's even close to needing something larger than a 12 year olds mind is the BE bypass.

I can replace your head with a cow if I'd like to, all using ArmA 2's mission editor and not breaking any rules. Don't whine and try and rationalize your scripting, any scripter is an immature prick in my eyes.

Edited March 16, 2013 by TheDesigner

[applejaxc 2500]

BE doesn't state that as long as you use your scripts for good, you're okay to exploit the game. I bet anyone who kills OP or his friend are "hackers" to them and they just turn on the scripts and kill the guy.

I'm going to say this as nicely as possible:

You're really bad at reading.

The private, password-protected server was only occupied by the set builders, designers, and actors. There was NO ONE on the server who wasn't part of the recording, editing, or publishing process. We weren't playing the game; we were using it to make videos.

At what point, in ANY of my posts, did you get the impression we were killing other players?

[The_Man 393]

There is a saying "To live outside the law you must be honest".

If you aren't causing harm and are being honest about hacking then go for it. But you know the risk involved. Complaining is a waste of time if you get caught. I don't support hacking but I support people doing whatever they want just as long as they know the risk involved and don't whine because of the outcome of their own actions.

[TheDesigner 1197]

I'm going to say this as nicely as possible:

You're really bad at reading.

The private, password-protected server was only occupied by the set builders, designers, and actors. There was NO ONE on the server who wasn't part of the recording, editing, or publishing process. We weren't playing the game; we were using it to make videos.

At what point, in ANY of my posts, did you get the impression we were killing other players?

And I will also say this as nice as I can:

You obviously didn't read my rant.

You can do everything that's possible with illegitimate scripts by adding them into a mission file/making your own scripts via mission editing. Scripts are illegal in ArmA 2 because you use a BE bypass to get pass BattleEye protections. Maybe you should of, oh I don't know, turned OFF BattleEye..? I don't think BE should, in the nicest way, curate morons.

Lets read next time before responding, agreed?

Edited March 17, 2013 by TheDesigner

[TJMaxed 8]

This question shouldn't have even been asked. Hacking is changing the game for your own gain, and that's a guaranteed path to overpowering yourself. Even kindergartners know cheating is wrong...

[mrbravo66 26]

same with bandits, i actually hate bandits more then hackers.

Bandits are brainwashed call of duty nubs.

True

Edited March 17, 2013 by mrbravo66

[OfficerRaymond 2064]

Scripting is for the weak and the virtually challenged... Nuff' fucking said.

Wanted: Dead or Alive

[ShokeR (DayZ) 29]

2: I used to play with xPenguin, a good friend who I've made a few youtube videos with. He likes to make machinima videos, and did a series in DayZ following the story of Jack Carver (No, not the Jack Carver from Far Cry 1, 2, and Instincts Evolution). It was fun, and it made me cry... but in order to do it, they had to do admin-side script commands to disable zombies for some shots, or spawn in stuff if they accidentally died while recording and needed a "Redo." At one point they created an entire town in the north-west after burning a forest down in order to do an episode that involved cannibals.

Well after this episode was recorded (about 5 months ago?), some little spit-fire pinprick starting bawling, "YOU ARE A HACKER YOU HACKER BLAMAMAMAMAMAMA." We explained to him,very carefully, and said at the beginning/end of every episode, "This is a private server and all the cheats are done for the sake of content quality." Instead, xPengiun received a global BattlEYE ban.

He went to BattlEYE support, emailed them a manuscript of the youtube comments/the video and explained, carefully, that he was not cheating or using cheats to incite cheating on servers other than his own, which he operated on his own, and had the permission of the players therein. BattlEYE support told him they were very sorry for the false accusation, but there was nothing they could do to lift the ban. He hasn't played DayZ since :(

I didn't really watched his vidoes but he shouldn't be banned

The mod doesn't support debuging or something like that so It's hard for video makers to make new videos and not just playthrough, I mean look at other games, for example fallout, there are a lot of cool videos of fallout and they are all using the debug (console) to help them making these videos, but if the game won't enable the console, so people have to cheat to make these videos so they should get banned in thier steam account too? I think Its the same with dayz,I don't think people should getting banned for using cheats on thier own CLOSED private hive servers.

Sorry foy my bad english ^^

Edited March 18, 2013 by ShokeR

[applejaxc 2500]

I didn't really watched his vidoes but he shouldn't be banned

The mod doesn't support debuging or something like that so It's hard for video makers to make new videos and not just playthrough, I mean look at other games, for example fallout, there are a lot of cool videos of fallout and they are all using the debug (console) to help them making these videos, but if the game won't enable the console, so people have to cheat to make these videos so they should get banned in thier steam account too? I think Its the same with dayz,I don't think people should getting banned for using cheats on thier own CLOSED private hive servers.

Sorry foy my bad english ^^

Are you saying he SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be banned for using cheats on his own server?

[VisionTwelve 24]

same with bandits, i actually hate bandits more then hackers.

Bandits are brainwashed call of duty nubs.

That's insulting. I mean, I'm half hero half bandit. Depends on the server on what side I choose. But no, I never played cod, therefore, your remark is invalid, and, also, insulting in a sense

[Noszombie 284]

oh I don't know, turned OFF BattleEye..? I don't think BE should, in the nicest way, curate morons.

Lets read next time before responding, agreed?

I'm not choosing a side and excuse me if i'm wrong but didn't he say at one point that they had BattleEye disabled?

Edited March 18, 2013 by Noszombie

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Well, I've tried to follow the thread but I'm still confused so please humor me.

You said in your first post the that the server was a private one with BE disabled, I get that. I still don't know if it was a server that anyone was allowed to join or not? It sounds like it was but I'm not sure.