M107 Barrett .50 cal getting banned everywhere..

[bluecrackers 175]

First off this is a disclaimer saying I did not read the entire thread (it's 1:30Am here and I cannot be asked). But what place does removing a weapon have because it's "too OP" have in dayz? I'm sorry but I thought this game was based on being unforgiving, harsh, and damn near traumatizing at points. Why are we removing weapons of which that I'm sure would be a few lying around any military installation at any given moment zombie outbreak or not. And before some smart ass goes off and says something along the lines of "oh well then there should be tanks and battleships in the game" allow me to preemptively retort by saying those in all likelihood not be in an area where the main targets are unarmored, unarmed "civillians". Now let's be clear I don't think there shouldn't be any realistic degradation or weight of the rifle so that it would require maintenance or can be carried with as much ease as a pistol.

Also one last thing: the idea of getting a .50 cal rifle acts as sort of an ultimate goal for lone survivors or small groups simply because of their rarity and usefulness. It's almost a sort of a status symbol more than just a powerful weapon.

Tl;Dr: .50 cals exist in real life therefore should exist in dayz. Quit your complaining.

[Xianyu 820]

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Nice straw-man arguments. Actually make some points or shut up, please.

As for the only point you did actually make, about the damage models? Sure. A chest-shot or a gut-shot from a .50 would kill you.

but shooting you in the pinkie or the big toe would not. And when any hit anywhere on your body at any range takes you instantly from 12,000 blood to -20,000, that's a LITTLE BIT OP.

xianyu, if not a sniper, what else do we have to anti-heli tools? They removed the rocket launcher because it never really worked. Are you suggesting that we resort to firing our DMRs and M4s into the glass waiting for the year that it finally shatters?

I definitely don't think that helicopters should be made more overpowering. But when the weapons designed for counteracting helicopters and vehicles ridiculously skews the survivor/survivor firefights, I think it's time for a change.

Even making it able for us to shoot the pilot. That'd be fine. the AS50 seems overpowered against a helicopters considering it can wreck them with one magazine, from a ghillie-suited guy sitting under a tree half a mile away. Or on a rock. Or behind a bush. Or prone in the shallow water at the edge of a lake. Or on top of a building. You get the gist of where I'm going with this.

[-Gews- 7443]

Nice straw-man arguments. Actually make some points or shut up, please.

As for the only point you did actually make, about the damage models? Sure. A chest-shot or a gut-shot from a .50 would kill you.

but shooting you in the pinkie or the big toe would not. And when any hit anywhere on your body at any range takes you instantly from 12,000 blood to -20,000, that's a LITTLE BIT OP.

Obviously it's overpowered, basically a death-ray, hit = death and no chance of surviving. You said no rifle should kill in one shot unless it's to the head, and I disagree, I would like to see areas like legs and arms being less fatal and well aimed shots being more fatal, which would mean redoing the entire damage system.

Also, if we started introducing hunting rifles to the game like many have suggested, we would have a lot more one-shot kill rifles considering expanding hunting ammunition does a lot more damage than military ammo.

Comparison of the same caliber, hunting vs military:

Personally, I don't like the .50s killing in one shot to the toe because that is unrealistic, and ArmA's damage system is very simplistic. I don't have a problem with powerful weapons killing in one shot provided that they have a similar effect in real life and that they fit the situation... I'm not sure the .50s fit DayZ very well, and I'd rather see something like a .338 just to keep the immersion.

[Devon206 (DayZ) 77]

If we are still comparing to real life, those rifles are about 30-50 pounds, and running around with it would make you extremely soar and tired. And the 50.CAL. Rounds are kind of retarded, they are ANIT-MATERIAL (FOR VEHICLES) if you ghit a human with it there would be a 8x8 inch hole in there chest....

[Inception. 9443]

Please keep the language civilised.

[Kentarion 0]

for those talking about realism check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Czech_Republic

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

just to scratch a little bit on the surface about it.

i guess finding any of the special equipments and weapons in a region like:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/48159-chernarus-in-real/

you would have to be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY..... and so on... lucky.

in comparison to night vision - wich is a standard tool for any even small military camp.

so i think it's not really accurate to compare too much with 'real-life'

it's a game in a futuristic yet similiar world of ours. i love the game because i have little to no chance against a sniper hidding somewhere on my way. i love the game because there is no 'save' or 'respawn with all your stuff'

additionally... i think we only talk about all these snipers because probably most of them cheated themselfes these EXTREMLY RARE weapons and guily suits... and ammo.... etc.

:)

[trichome (DayZ) 198]

Comparing the DMR to an M107/AS50.

The DMR is an honest sniper rifle, the M107/AS50 is a 50cal with a range of one and a half kilometers. I'm fine with snipers, just not getting the engine block ripped out of my truck or getting shot through a wall/my buddy at that kind of distance.

ROFL!

The dmr is a noobs rifle for twats that can't get a headshot. If your talking about a good non 50 cal then you won't get a better rifle than the M24.

The whining around here is getting patheic about people getting killed by weapons they don't like. And as usual it's the same ones as always calling for more weapons to be removed from the game to suit their level.

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

ROFL!

The dmr is a noobs rifle for twats that can't get a headshot. If your talking about a good non 50 cal then you won't get a better rifle than the M24.

The whining around here is getting patheic about people getting killed by weapons they don't like. And as usual it's the same ones as always calling for more weapons to be removed from the game to suit their level.

Really? The DMR is the noob rifle? And the 50 cal's aren't the "noobs rifle for twats that can't get a headshot"?

[trichome (DayZ) 198]

Really? The DMR is the noob rifle? And the 50 cal's aren't the "noobs rifle for twats that can't get a headshot"?

Oh look you again. whiny bill calling for all weapons he doesnt like to be removed from the game. I never mentioned 50 cals I said non 50 cals! :rolleyes:

@OP the M107, AS50, KSVK all spawn on our server and will NEVER be banned. We also have the L85A2 AWS spawning as well if you like some thermal action.

All server owners need to do is change the beta version their server is running on if there seeing this bug with the M107 locking on.

Edited February 21, 2013 by trichome

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

Oh look you again. whiny bill calling for all weapons he doesnt like to be removed from the game. I never mentioned 50 cals I said non 50 cals! :rolleyes:

@OP the M107, AS50, KSVK all spawn on our server and will NEVER be banned. We also have the L85A2 AWS spawning as well if you like some thermal action.

All server owners need to do is change the beta version their server is running on if there seeing this bug with the M107 locking on.

Way to go, champ. Good job reading AND comprehending my post. Intelligence is not one of your strong points, is it?

Please point out just where in me quoting you that I stated anything should be removed. In fact, please point out anywhere in this thread that I've stated something should be removed. You can't because I haven't. What I did do was call you out on the completely moronic comment you made. The comment you quoted in which the author was talking about the dmr vs as50/107.

You felt the need to quote him and then call the dmr instead of the 50 cal's the noob weapon. If you hadn't meant for the 50 cal's to be part of your discussion, then you shouldn't have quoted that part, eh?

Doing so obviously just makes you look like an idiot.

Edited February 21, 2013 by OFC_Bill

[Imafighter 236]

Here's an idea: Make helis uber hard to repair, rare as hell, and require constant maintence. And, change the controls so that it is much harder to control. And remove autohover.

You're a civilian in a zombie apocalypse. You aren't going to know how to fly a helicopter.

[kingflip 42]

Just to clarify a little bit, the As50 abd M107 are NOT sniper rifles, they were never meant for the purpose of taking down a person. they were developed for the same reason the Desert Eagle was invented; A way to take out Armoured fortifications on the fly without the use of other equipment. Now, They use BMG rounds, which mean "browning machine gun" and these AMR's have the ability to take down choppers from miles away, they have the ability to shot through a tank, completely immobilizing it. im not a weapons expert but i have to say, if you were to get shot by one in the "pinky" it wouldnt stop there, it would take your entire arm off.

[vDarkStar 11]

I prefer servers with them banned. Now when I go to an airfield I don't have to worry about some boring person sitting in the tree-line waiting for people to come pick up loot. Yes, camping the high value loot is a legitimate strategy, but that doesn't mean it's not cheap.

With these dull weapons removed or banned, you're going to promote people MOVING which can lead to awesome scenarios that the game was designed to give. Instead of getting shot from a hedge by an anti-light-armour weapon.

[jk_scowling 44]

Personally, I don't like the .50s killing in one shot to the toe because that is unrealistic, and ArmA's damage system is very simplistic. I don't have a problem with powerful weapons killing in one shot provided that they have a similar effect in real life and that they fit the situation... I'm not sure the .50s fit DayZ very well, and I'd rather see something like a .338 just to keep the immersion.

Yeah, 1 shot kills are fine, if it is realistically done.

[BCaused 49]

We removed the as50 from our server and m107 pretty rare but not banned yet.

The game is much better without this OP junk, our players agree.

Bring back the scoreboard.

Press scroll lock?

[SeaMan (DayZ) 31]

Bring back the scoreboard!I like to see zombie kills,and its useful for the server name too

[BCaused 49]

Bring back the scoreboard!I like to see zombie kills,and its useful for the server name too

Press Scroll lock? And use DayZ Commander?

[reuben5150 83]

. No gun should be a one-shot-kill unless it's a headshot.

Agreed, i think what would work well in dayz was if the top-end sniper rifle did 90-95% DMG to the body, i dont know if there is such a weapon in arma that fits this....

I'm all for a more realistic higher damage model comapared to say BF, but i still think the high end damage should be capped and the lower end stuff, the pistols need a buff.

[reuben5150 83]

Obviously it's overpowered, basically a death-ray, hit = death and no chance of surviving. You said no rifle should kill in one shot unless it's to the head, and I disagree, I would like to see areas like legs and arms being less fatal and well aimed shots being more fatal, which would mean redoing the entire damage system.

That would be great, but in all these years i can only think of one game that used body "zones" Soldier of fortune.

So assuming Dayz won't bring this feature (is it even coming to Arma 3 ?) we have to work with what we have.

[reuben5150 83]

If we are still comparing to real life, those rifles are about 30-50 pounds, and running around with it would make you extremely soar and tired. And the 50.CAL. Rounds are kind of retarded, they are ANIT-MATERIAL (FOR VEHICLES) if you ghit a human with it there would be a 8x8 inch hole in there chest....

And since there are no millitary vehicles or armored in dayz there is no need for these weapons.

If fact, there is no real justification at all for keeping them in, as already mentioned, we removed the AS50 from our server and the game is much better for it, but some people don't care less about that and the crying here is simply self serving, or they just don't understand the issue.

[Pandema 352]

ROFL!

The dmr is a noobs rifle for twats that can't get a headshot. If your talking about a good non 50 cal then you won't get a better rifle than the M24.

The whining around here is getting patheic about people getting killed by weapons they don't like. And as usual it's the same ones as always calling for more weapons to be removed from the game to suit their level.

I....what....I don't even....

So, the gun with no zeroing capabilities is the one for "twats that can't get a headshot." but the one that zeros and kills for one shot anywhere on the body isn't? Anyone else not following this logic?

I've been killed by snipers....twice maybe three times and every time its been my own fault, I have no problem with the guy camping the NW airfield barracks with an M24/DMR. My problem is just with people using anti-vehicle weapons in the bloody zombie apocalypse, it's unrealistic as hell. It weighs a ton and can be heard for bloody miles after every shot.

[pr3llox 63]

Here is another example, if you have a heli shooting at you, or one of the new black hawks, a dmr isn't going to cut it.

Might as well get rid of all the LMGs. Hell, might as well only allow pistols in this game.

I'm a sniper, I enjoy sniping, call me names and whatnot for sniping, don't get so upset because you have been killed by a sniper. You gotta be smart in DayZ and see the sniper before they see you.

how in the hell do you enjoy sniping people?... the funniest thing in dayz is to run up close to people and then try to kill them for their gear. not laying 800m away and then putting one bullet in to them..

Edited February 21, 2013 by KC Pr3lLoX

[trunkz jr 61]

Is it even possible to remove the M107 from the barracks without forcing the pubbers to download a new dayz file?

[Pegz 49]

Is it even possible to remove the M107 from the barracks without forcing the pubbers to download a new dayz file?

check your PM's

[khaenz 93]

I would have to disagree. If there is a zombie apocalypse right now who would stop you from using a sniper rifle? Might as well ban the DMR for being able to use night vision with it and the dmr is basically a automatic sniper if you can click dad enough. I use snipers all the time to cover my friends whenever they go into a highly populated area so we don't get killed.

In a zombie apocalypse, in a place like Chernarus, you would most likely not find a high-calibre anti-materiel sniper rifle. It just sounds so stupid considering that it should have Russian weapons, and suddenly you have something like an AS-50. Those rifles ruin the fun by being incredibly overpowered for bandits, and sort of ruin the immersion because you would not find it in a poor country like Chernarus.

If you found something like a KSVK it would make more sense, and that way you would have a way to fight helis.