Build 1.7.4.4 Rolling Update

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

Are people really complaining about the realism.. do we ever have to repeat the story of a instant blood transfusion that would save you from the death.. and all the incredible magic unrealistic features that this ***GAME*** has?

Yes coz this is a game, it's not a simulator, none have ever said it is simulating anything, so it shouldn't be realistic at all costs, it should be FUN.

Now to the street lights... none cares if in the real world they will be on of off (you can discuss it for ages without finding a perfect answer), but ppl (including me) will love to have em, to have some new breath and to revive the "night servers", because they are almost empty now. I believe that the scene of having a partial illuminated city or town would be an incredible nice addition, because a pitch black city is fun the first days.. but then it's getting boring.

Then yes to street lights.. OR make em optional and give us the final decision (like we did with the bags lost in the water and stuff like that), don't enforce a stupid rule that the majority doesn't want, this is now a community project, isn't it?

[Bakst 98]

Na not interested in testing this latest dumbing down update with removal of weapons that were not asked for by a large part of the community. So much for an open world where you decide what you want to do and how you do it. Not anymore now you play how ever a few so called community devs think you should play.

Time to bail on dayz mod, the n00bs have invaded. Soon you'll all be running around with makarovs shooting peas at each other.

Here we have a game/mod dedicated to community feedback like no other, but no, somehow that's not enough: your personal wishes were not reflected in this update so obviously it must be utter crap -_- They remove the L85 and suddenly you think those elitist community devs are killing the sandbox aspect? Please. And what's this about "n00bs"? That doesn't even make sense.

Look, (community and other) devs will never be able to make everyone happy. They have to make certain decisions, taking into account massive amounts of feedback, data, and the overall vision for DayZ. From the way you're talking, it sounds like this isn't necessarily the right game for you anyway -- maybe you would be more at home in a military-style shooter MMO? Now don't take that as me saying "go back to CoD" that's not what I mean at all, but seriously what got you started on DayZ in the first place if it sucks so hard?

[Bakst 98]

Yes coz this is a game, it's not a simulator, none have ever said it is simulating anything, so it shouldn't be realistic at all costs, it should be FUN.

True, but authenticity is also important as it contributes to immersion and overall gameplay.

Re. the streetlights, I could go either way. It's not such a big issue to me, and honestly I don't see what the fuss is all about.

(...) OR make em optional and give us the final decision (like we did with the bags lost in the water and stuff like that), don't enforce a stupid rule that the majority doesn't want, this is now a community project, isn't it?

You say "give us the final decision" as if the community speaks with one voice. The truth, of course, is that the community is comprised of thousands of active players/posters who rarely agree on anything. So what happens is that the devs listen very carefully to what everyone has to say, and then they move ahead with what they think is right. That's what "community project" means, or did you think you would be developing parts of the code? If you have that skill, then I'm sure they need all the help they can get! Otherwise, please get with the program.

P.S.: Looks like this thread is on the brink of flamedom... for the sake of the discussion I should probably shut up now :P

Edited November 22, 2012 by Bakst

[immortalone 0]

all i want is my damn support ticket to be answered... we are waiting for an IP change for 9 days now since we moved to a cheaper dedicated box....

its frustrating that i got an email with HEY YOU CAN UPGRADE YOUR SERVER WITH 1.7.4! while our ticket stays unanswered...

ticket:

#789483

please can an admin change our IP, we are one of the most loyal admins out there.

[drekinn 0]

I can't help but notice the once perfect zombie AI (1.7.3) is now totally ruined. The infected now glitch into walls, become stuck on nothing, endlessly pursue you around a maze of buildings (where before they would forget you after a short while when out of sight), or worse still, never move at all. Sigh.

The 1.7.4.4 change log doesn't state any tweaks to the AI but it's certainly been affected, and in a most unfortunate way. :(

[Bludy 324]

i'm feeling sick! i've never seen something so bad! i starting to realize that thousands of people hack and just get bored after a couple of days..then more come..

i'm talking about the videos..

so zombies are broken? today i'm gonna test because i still have to play since the update

Edited November 22, 2012 by Bludy

[DaGolem 95]

True, but authenticity is also important as it contributes to immersion and overall gameplay.

Re. the streetlights, I could go either way. It's not such a big issue to me, and honestly I don't see what the fuss is all about.

You say "give us the final decision" as if the community speaks with one voice. The truth, of course, is that the community is comprised of thousands of active players/posters who rarely agree on anything. So what happens is that the devs listen very carefully to what everyone has to say, and then they move ahead with what they think is right. That's what "community project" means, or did you think you would be developing parts of the code? If you have that skill, then I'm sure they need all the help they can get! Otherwise, please get with the program.

P.S.: Looks like this thread is on the brink of flamedom... for the sake of the discussion I should probably shut up now :P

It´s not a flamewar it is discussion. ;)

Iam a friend of Realism in Game but let us see it clear...the mod is not realism and it will never be.

Simple things like Zombies are not real. Have you ever seen pile of food or weapons in a house on the ground?

Then the shooting injury, this is not real. The wounds from weapons are ridiculous. No separated limbs, no blood tracks...

the list can be very, very long. So what is the discussion about real?

All argumentations about "this is not realism, we dont put it in" are nothing more then headgame and they are senseless.

Sometime it looks to me like the "not real agrumentations" are nothing more then a try to get the own will over wishes from people and a system to make them silent.

I think some types of wishes like "Streetlights" would be the best if the server admin has the choice.

Maybe for Standalone there is a serverbrowser with many on/off additional options. This could bring more wishes and decisions into a Game without cutting them out.

Better more Options that you can turn on/off then only one that is forced.

[ast65 11]

WTH, I can´t login with my regular character on official servers anymore.

I always get kicked because of script restriction #41...is this because I have a L85 AWS or what?!

I tried different servers, all the same :(

Does anyone know what that script restriction #41 is related to?

plz fix this

[hollyw00d 1]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but the option to save your tent is now gone.

[Bakst 98]

It´s not a flamewar it is discussion. ;)

Iam a friend of Realism in Game but let us see it clear...the mod is not realism and it will never be.

Simple things like Zombies are not real. Have you ever seen pile of food or weapons in a house on the ground?

Then the shooting injury, this is not real. The wounds from weapons are ridiculous. No separated limbs, no blood tracks...

the list can be very, very long. So what is the discussion about real?

All argumentations about "this is not realism, we dont put it in" are nothing more then headgame and they are senseless.

Sometime it looks to me like the "not real agrumentations" are nothing more then a try to get the own will over wishes from people and a system to make them silent.

I think some types of wishes like "Streetlights" would be the best if the server admin has the choice.

Maybe for Standalone there is a serverbrowser with many on/off additional options. This could bring more wishes and decisions into a Game without cutting them out.

Better more Options that you can turn on/off then only one that is forced.

I agree with you on the silliness of most of the "realism" debate, although I have to point out that AUTHENTICITY is not the same as realism! Rocket once explained this to me somewhere on the forums -- basically it's similar to the movies, which are not (usually) 100% realistic but should be authentic enough for you to suspend your disbelief so you can enjoy the narrative. DayZ is no different: it should FEEL like the situation could really happen that way, without fussing over every minute detail. Like you say, it's supposed to be fun.

As for choice, that sounds great in principle, but recall this:

OK, everyone asking "Why not leave it in and make it optional" is a BAD idea because if you for example choose to take out a weapon in your server because its "optional", hackers can just spawn the damm thing back in, SO if we choose to lock things down abit more and outright BAN things we dont want in the dayz_anim core file then hackers CANNOT spawn them back in because they are banned from the game and cannot be spawned in anyway shape or form. like in DayZ+ (im developer) i have BANNED every single thing that is not in DayZ+ at all so that way hackers cant just spawn in TWS's etc. which will greatly advance gameplay because hackers wont have the ability to spawn in a unbanned weapon and blow your brains out with them. as i seem to say alot "With Great Freedom, Comes Lots Of Hacks"

Oh and TCC Daniel, those vids are nuts! Lame-ass cheaters, I don't understand how that's fun.

(...)

Edited November 22, 2012 by Bakst

[fluxley 2228]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but the option to save your tent is now gone.

I believe thats because tents and vehicles should autosave now to prevent duping, which makes the save option redundant.

[Dempsey (DayZ) 4]

Are people really complaining about the realism.. do we ever have to repeat the story of a instant blood transfusion that would save you from the death.. and all the incredible magic unrealistic features that this ***GAME*** has?

Yes coz this is a game, it's not a simulator, none have ever said it is simulating anything, so it shouldn't be realistic at all costs, it should be FUN.

Now to the street lights... none cares if in the real world they will be on of off (you can discuss it for ages without finding a perfect answer), but ppl (including me) will love to have em, to have some new breath and to revive the "night servers", because they are almost empty now. I believe that the scene of having a partial illuminated city or town would be an incredible nice addition, because a pitch black city is fun the first days.. but then it's getting boring.

Then yes to street lights.. OR make em optional and give us the final decision (like we did with the bags lost in the water and stuff like that), don't enforce a stupid rule that the majority doesn't want, this is now a community project, isn't it?

Isn’t that what the burning fuel/oil drums in Cherno do?

I think if illumination is what is required, adding more of the burning fuel drums would make greater sense than street lights.. It’s far more authentic to the post apocalyptic scenario.

In my opinion It’s not a case of realism, just a case of complimenting the game's setting.

[eboleth 0]

I downloaded the new update, i started playing and a but later i had found a ghillie suit. Upon equipping it i got kicked because of Script restriction #41

Any help here? :s i don't wanna get banned for finding ghillie suits D:

[Bakst 98]

I downloaded the new update, i started playing and a but later i had found a ghillie suit. Upon equipping it i got kicked because of Script restriction #41

Any help here? :s i don't wanna get banned for finding ghillie suits D:

They say it's a server-side issue = admins' problem, not devs. I currently have a ghillie suit too, and I'm about to log onto a public hive to see if it works...

[eboleth 0]

They say it's a server-side issue = admins' problem, not devs. I currently have a ghillie suit too, and I'm about to log onto a public hive to see if it works...

Do i risk getting banned because i got kicked by battleye? even tho i didn't do anything in a non legitimate way..

Edit: I was able to log back in but without any ghillie suit equipped, in my inventory or on the spot i had found it

Edited November 22, 2012 by Ice Crunch

[sniperteam6 8]

Generation is not the issue. Distribution is the problem, power will trip very quickly when one or two transformers blow - due to overload from fire, factories shorting out etc... When a few transformers go they increase the load on other transformers and you get a cascading fail.

An example of the effects, even when people were monitoring the situation: http://en.wikipedia....lackout_of_2003

For a good outline of cascading failure, see http://en.wikipedia....scading_failure

I actually worked on a review for this when I worked with the Police in NZ as the liaison when with the Air Force, and I revisited this research with DayZ. New Zealand has many hydroelectric dams and we found that within days or hours of a severe disaster power would begin to be lost, due to cascading failure. Within one week with no manual intervention of power plants, transmission, etc..., it is almost certain the entire country would be without power delivery (generation might continue, for some plants, although most require manual intervention for alerts or they shut down for safety reasons - much like a dead man's switch in trains

Hi Rocket. Just a comment. If we are going for realism, then some of these removals are a bit ridiculous. The game is fantasy. If the "team" will work on realism, then most of the stuff happening on dayz will be removed.

Removal of the l85 nor streetlamps don´t make any sense at all.

Thanks for the great mod. :)

PS (please use your influence with the arma2 team to fix the dang loading screen, which if interrupted by alf4, sends us all to the freegin beach. There is no reason to prevent ESC being pressed while the loading screen is in its 5th. minute (or 20 minutes).

Peace and :beans:

[Bakst 98]

Do i risk getting banned because i got kicked by battleye? even tho i didn't do anything in a non legitimate way..

Edit: I was able to log back in but without any ghillie suit equipped, in my inventory or on the spot i had found it

Well I just logged onto a random public server with 99202 + 1.7.4.4 -- DE 2977 I think it was -- and all was well. I was wearing my ghillie suit and was not kicked or anything.

If it's up to the server admins to fix this issue then I'll bet that many servers have yet to implement the required changes (and I probably just got lucky with DE 2977). If it doesn't work on your server of choice, I suggest contacting the admins. Oh and don't worry about getting kicked, you won't get a global ban for that.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Bakst

[taco241 393]

I'd like some lighting but not city lights. toss in a generator model and a small section of loosely hung wires and bulbs. Sort of a temporary rigged lighting around certain places (like a wrecked car model that someone was attempting to repair, or a field hospital, where emergency shelter was set up).

Also, I can fairly easily build my own Wind turbine out of spare car parts (rotors, sheet metal, battery and wiring). But I don't know if we want to turn DayZ into a metal shop sim. Especially when someone's gonna 'nade it anyway as soon as I flip the switch.

Edited November 22, 2012 by taco241

[DaveAzoicer (DayZ) 135]

Looks promising.

[ast65 11]

so players who had a L85A2 AWS previous to this patch are supposed to drop it or what?

how can I drop it if I get kicked (script restriction #41) as soon as I join a server :huh:

no smart move to punish/exclude long time fully geared up players >:(

[Brophy 1]

Does anyone know where I can get the server files? as the links I received in my email to update the server do not work

[ghostvoice 2]

Dear Rocket! Great news this build!!!

But I would like to make two considerations, one of it you already solved.

Presumably the game was built in an realistic environment (arma 2) for a specific reason. To approach being real in lots of aspects

So, like you choose to not enable lights in the cities is great since no one can run power plants in times where there's no laboral activities in a zombie apocalypse.

And one more thing that you guys should do is to when in battle move remove the GUN BULLET COUNT. Since in real life when you are in action you don't know exactly (unless you try to count) how many bullets do you still have, forcing you to reload to another clip to guarantee you have more ammo. After the combat period you back to be able to see how many bullets left...

Some may think that my statement is stupid but i don't think. I like dayz because we have to deal with simple challenges that change everything in the game.

So, i think those elements even so little element will be able to make it more realistic and bring more tension to players.

Hope next version this feat come available!

Thanks guys!

best regards!

Edited November 22, 2012 by ghostvoice

[Grabarz (DayZ) 95]

I can't help but notice the once perfect zombie AI (1.7.3) is now totally ruined. The infected now glitch into walls, become stuck on nothing, endlessly pursue you around a maze of buildings (where before they would forget you after a short while when out of sight), or worse still, never move at all. Sigh.

The 1.7.4.4 change log doesn't state any tweaks to the AI but it's certainly been affected, and in a most unfortunate way. :(

I noticed this too. The zeds are really annoying in the new patch. What happened? Will there be a hotfix?

[Bakst 98]

so players who had a L85A2 AWS previous to this patch are supposed to drop it or what?

how can I drop it if I get kicked (script restriction #41) as soon as I join a server :huh:

no smart move to punish/exclude long time fully geared up players >:(

The L85 has been removed from the loot table, which means that it's still okay to carry & use the legacy item, however it will no longer spawn anywhere as loot in 1.7.4.4. In other words, it is being phased out but you are in no way being punished as you may continue to use it until you lose it, die, etc. So... you are now the proud owner of a rare collectible item! ;)

Btw I'm no expert, I'm just parroting what the devs have already said on this thread.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Bakst

[NoyZ (DayZ) 66]

Love the butt-hurt over the thermals getting dropped. Makes my day seeing it gone as those players hate that they cant have that big of an advantage over someone. Their fragile egos can't handle the fact that they are not as good as they think they are. All you thermal-loving bitches can kiss everyone elses ass. Every L85 I find is getting buried with their body. :P

Now go cry me a fucking river . . . but first, make me a sandwich

Edited November 22, 2012 by NoyZ