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Its really starting to come along nicely now, more survival gear a couple of new weapons.....lovely, not to mention the prototyping of vehicles of some kind may be soon in our future.

Quotes the definition of Beta including the phrase "feature complete" then suggests vehicles and other features shouldn't be added until Beta.... Righto.

From what I took from you thread, you built an argument about your belief that dayZ is actually in a pseudo-beta state and by following that logic: "As it stands, the current Steam page is a lie: It states that DayZ is "in alpha" and that you shouldn't buy "unless you want to actively support the development of the game". Neither of these statements are true. As shown above, the devs (somehow) belive that DayZ is in BETA, and they do NOT want people actively supporting the devlopment of the game, short of giving them money. If the statements were true, we would have far fewer guns/shirts/hats and the initial stages of the vehicles available for play." And this is the crux of your argument - this i do not agree with. Up till this point I was could understand your logic, I think anyone can see that there is a slight blurring of priorities between what needs to be done to advance the game and what needs to be done to keep the angry, spitting maw of the masses pleased. I have also seen post suggesting that the team is too focused on the "alpha" build and should in fact try harder to "re-pioneer their pioneering approach to early access" (not my words) to incorporate more aspects of beta! So while I don't think some of the comments in this thread are helpful, I can completely sympathies with them. Sometime this shit just starts to get to you :( .

Edit: As some of you pointed out, I accidentally said vehicle prototyping should be done in beta. I meant to say Alpha. This was my mistake, and it has been corrected. Sorry for the confusion this caused. DayZ Development progress makes no sense Firstly, this isn't a "this game is buggy" post. This is the exact opposite of this: it's a look at how the devs are handling the game, and how their actions don't fit that of a game that IS in alpha. It's also a look at how the game has been progressing, and how they will likely continue in the future. Firstly, let's quickly look at what an "alpha" is. From the so-often cited wiki page, "The alpha phase of the release life cycle is the first phase to begin software testing". What this means, is that your product is at the point where it's playable (ignoring crashes, bugs, etc.), and you want to start getting feedback on mechanics: "Does movement feel good", "does combat feel right", etc. It's also the point at which you expand on mechanics to some degree. If your game starts Alpha with only a semi-auto rifle, you might want to add in variations like an automatic rifle or a pistol. Similarily, you might want to add in new mechanics, like vehicles, or base building - basically things which aren't just expansions of already existing gameplay mechanics - things which need to be made for the ground-up. Secondly, let's also quickly look at what a "beta" is. Again, from the same wiki page: "Beta is the software development phase following alpha. It generally begins when the software is feature complete". Basically, once your game works from a feature standpoint (i.e. I have my SMG, rifle and pistol mechanics and my movement mechanics, etc.), you polish them. This ranges from improving art, to refining balance, and increasing variation (i.e. low RoF, high damage SMG, high RoF, low damage SMG) and of course polishing them from a technical standpoint (performance, code cleanliness, etc.). So, we now understand what alpha and beta phases are - so, which is DayZ? Well, it's an akward limbo between the two, where it seems like one group belives it's a beta, and the other belives it's an Alpha. Why? Well, look at the patch notes as well as the existing stuff that has been added since the December release. Let's start with today's status report, which basically demonstrates my main argument: that the dev team has no idea if this is alpha or beta. The first topic is loot distribution and adding "more granular control over the quantity of each type of item that spawns". This isn't a feature, this is feature refinement - balance adjustment. Fine tuning the amount and types of loot that drop isn't a new feature, it's a variation of an existing feature, and a minor one at that. This is something that should be happening in beta - not alpha. Further down we have "The Rossi R92 is finished being animated. We're just waiting for sounds and then it'll be good to go. The animators also began work on the M133 earlier this week so it won't be too far behind the repeater.". Again, why? This is a new weapon - a variation on a system which already works. DayZ has weapons, the weapons work as weapons. Hence, that feature is from an alpha standpoint, complete. While an argument could be made for the weapon feature to be truely complete it needs to have a larger variation of weapons, this simply isn't supported by the dev actions. These weapons are being rigged, textured, and in the case of the AK101, re-textured. None of this has any place in an alpha - this is all stuff which should be happening in early beta. If it were truely an Alpha, weapons would only exist for the sake of feature testing - not art. As a result, they would likely be borowed from other BI Games (i.e. ARMA2&3). Scrolling down further on the status report, we are just left with item after item of what would be beta-status changes: New 55-gallon drum art, New zombie skins, AK101 retexture. Of all these art changes, the only ones which make any sense are the addition of the smoke grenades (new mechanic - smoke nades) and waterproof bags. Every single other art change is something which should be occuring in beta. The animation changes are also what should be done in beta: "BugFixing" - this is a purely Beta+ feature. An alpha, by nature, SHOULD be full of bugs, since fixing them isn't the top priority. Beta is when you remove bugs and increase usability. "Bow animation polishing" - I don't even need to comment on this. Scripting is the one area which gets some actual credit: Vehicle classification prototypingVehicle component prototypingThis is what SHOULD be done during a alpha (this used to say beta, I typed wrong - SORRY). Prototyping and addition of new features. However, our good friend "bug fixing" is still there. It's also there in programming, which has another DayZ-"alpha" feature, 'Code cleaning and optimizations' - something which, again, should only be done once the game is feature complete. Lastly, I want to bring up something that everyone has been asking for for a long time: vehicles. The approach taken on this also makes very little sense. From what we've heard from people like Dean, the idea is to implement vehicles, vehicle repair and vehicle 'combining' (red door from one car onto other blue car). This isn't how you would do an alpha feature implementation. From a logical standpoint, the first feature which is required for testing is vehicles. As such, what you would implement is vehicles which spawn. In a true alpha, these vehicles would be pretty basic in terms of gameplay. Initially they would be invincible with infinite fuel, but once features such as fuel and damage were implemented, they would take on those characteristics. As mehcanics such as using parts to repair were added, the vehicle mechanic as a whole would advance, until it is feature complete. However, this isn't how the devs are handling this. They instead want to one-shot the ENTIRE vehicle system, with repairing, fueling, combining parts, etc. This is NOT how you do an alpha. So where does this leave us? Well, it leaves us in a situation where there's realistically very little hope of the game being even feature complete any time soon. If we're lucky, we'll hit that point at the end of 2015, meaning that it'll have taken over two years to get out of alpha. However, this shouldn't be the case. DayZ is built upon an already existing framework. Adding new features, such as vehicles, should not take all that long to implement. As it stands, the current Steam page is a lie: It states that DayZ is "in alpha" and that you shouldn't buy "unless you want to actively support the development of the game". Neither of these statements are true. As shown above, the devs (somehow) belive that DayZ is in BETA, and they do NOT want people actively supporting the devlopment of the game, short of giving them money. If the statements were true, we would have far fewer guns/shirts/hats and the initial stages of the vehicles available for play. Basically, I don't want my money back: I want to know what the ~$75 million in sales has gone, because it sure hasn't gone into making an 'open' and 'community supported' development cycle.

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I never said it would have to take up the whole map. Make it curve around and such so that you can get around the map, but have to go extremely far out of your way to get there. Also, its kind of the point. In a zombie apocalypse, you shouldn't be able to just sprint at full speed through towns and forests and such without attracting attention. this would make people actually plan out their journeys a bit more, you would have to actually think about how your going to survive a supply run. Remember also that when land vehicles are added, you will be able to get around that way. you could just go crashing through the bridge choke spots. its wayyy to easy right now to get supplies and such, it wouldn't be this easy in reality. It wouldn't be a matter of who had the best guns, while that would influence it im sure it would be a matter of who knew more about survival.

He is suggesting a direction he wants vehicles to go.This suggestion has depth, by suggesting a type of vehicle. If it has not been confirmed or denied I see no problem with his suggestion. A nice moped hasn't been mentioned by the devs as of yet.

This rifle is beautiful in it's simple function driven form and a solid suggestion based on region it would seem. IED's/Sticky bombs are fine for anti-tank. Any kind of light/medium explosive, even Molotov cocktails should hinder/destroy most vehicles unless they are armored. To me, sniping is as fun vs Zeds as players, and I don't really care for your gear, so you might imagine that I'm somewhat ambivalent towards modern long range sniper rifles in DayZ. That being said, there probably should be a modern long range rifle in DayZ but I also believe that long range sniping should be made extremely difficult given all factors involved (weapon condition, wind, bullet drop, and even temperature/humidity can likely effect how a projectile travels).

I actually think an RPG-7 fits the game best for this purpose. Anti-materiell rifles would be too precise and either too rare as anti-vehicle tools or too common as anti-personnel-overkill tools. Still a .50 cal precision rifle would be interesting - but ultra-rare (rarer than most vehicles and probably the rarest gun of them all), with ultra-rare ammunition that is also used by a slightly less rare heavy machine gun. Also it should be almost impossible to use in anything else than prepared long range fights. And I would like it to be a bolt-action so something like: AW50M95M99 (single-shot)KSVK 12.7It does not make sense to add two heavy calibers or even two AMR's because of the basic rarity involved. Getting to fire a single shot out of that baby should require a lot of effort beforehand.

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Yes to this, helicopters, tanks, heck even yes to self-propelled howitzers. But it should come at a high cost: ridiculously hard to findridiculously hard get running in the first placeridiculously hard to supply with enough food fuel and ammoneeds a realistic crew to operateTo get those high end vehicles groups of survivors would have to put in a lot of effort and time and also require a quantum of luck. And then the core rule should be "nothing lasts forever": Your crew gets slaughtered, the vehicle taken away from you, it breaks down and you cannot affort repairs, you run out of supplies and cannot find any or someone just uses explosives/rocket launchers/mines to blow it up. So in order to get an awesome vehicle players should have to pull up awesome logistics. And then better enjoy your reward it as it won't last. If it gets used to terrorize the coast shooting freshspawns until some hero squad blows it up or as a "superweapon" to break into or destroy another teams base (nothing lasts forever - remember) so be it - its up to the players. In the end those vehicles should be something like the "Deathstar of DayZ" and even extremely durable survivors should rarely see more than two in their entire life.

As50, is that a .50 caliber sniper rifle? I didn't play the mods much but I heard something about them. So I see your point. Those should be able to penetrate an engine block. But did those really bust up the vehicles in the mod, or helicopters? If so, then I'm OK with that. But because we are adding barricades...... if someone has one or two plates of steel then .50 sniper rifle is not as useful as a anti tank rifle. Especiallly a modern anti tank rifle round that I would think uses depleted uranium. Only depleted uranium is gonna go through any barricade in Dayz. With a depleted uranium tipped anti tank round.... someone who just spends days collecting multiple layers of heavy plate steel and just wants to camp can be killed with my suggestion.

Since it is already discussed to have surplus WW2 weapons... I would love an anti tank rifle. (like my photo). When we tie zombie together in the final release, shooting them will be interesting. They should be rare since an anti tank rifle round should go through any barricade except if we can stack multiple layers of heave plate steel. I really think an anti tank rifle fits the game better than an RPG for anti viehcles because Dayz is supposed to be anti COD or Battlefield. So instead of rockets for making vehicles a little nerfed.... Anti tank rifles when shot into the engine block is a much better fit for Dayz. any comments?

As promised, I'm trying to add positive ideas/posts. I would like the ability to tie zombies together. Either in pairs, or even a chain of zombies. We should be able to round up a zombie if we have a net or a dog catcher's tool. Then, we can tie zombies to stakes in the ground and thus form perimeters. If we tie up 8 zombies together, then set them on fire, they should go crazy and try to run in different directions. It could be used as a distraction if you want to sneak through a city or base at night. Or you just use it for pure, god damn fun. When vehicles come, we should be able to tie zombies to a bumper and drag zombies. The ability to create different lenght ropes is the key to having fun with the physics here my friends. Hours, and hours of pure god damn fun my friends. At least some great youtube videos.

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If so i hope yo are right. But for now as many things they are adding, as much lagg exist on the game and some towns aren't even crossed because of that. More object and items to load in. Personally my roadmap at this point would be: after the 0.49 update, focus on the engine! Even if it will take 2 month of works without any other update, but it must be this. You can't add vehicles on this status!

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nah, crafting Food and soups and the like HAS to be in. Cars will come ...just be..Patient... I dont see how implementing cooking and the like whouldent benefit the crafting part with vehicles... Here is a Little overview how it works in Project Zomboid to give you an idea: http://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cooking

Smells like more development time. I would rather take vehicles than soup :)

How can they have vehicles if the just recently realized they have to rebuild the engine? They might have models but I doubt they have vehicles working in any of their builds. If they do then they really picked up the pace compared to the last eight months.

And in real life, if you run around in the rain, you die from hypothermia. Such as it is in Day Z. You run around in the rain, you die from hypothermia. Don't like it? Go join the rest of the server-hopping brigade. I, for one, want as much "realism" stuffed into the game as possible. I want weapon maintenance (that takes a considerable about of time). I want weapon jams if maintenance is not done. I want shoes to wear out (and to be a whole slew of different sizes AHEM REALISM), so the hunt for new shoes is almost as pressing as the hunt for more bullets. I want worn, ill-fitting shoes to cause foot pain and blisters, slowing you down (not until after vehicles/alternate travel is implemented, of course). I want shelterbuilding, to get out of the rain and to store stuff. I want trapping/foraging, being able to trap squirrels and rabbits, and eat plants other than berries (there are pumpkins, wheat, etc everywhere in Chernarus). I want horticulture, I want ammunition reloading, I want complex vehicles. I want a goddamn SURVIVAL game, not just a point-and-click-TPS/FPS-with-added-survival-elements.

1. Performance up to par with modern games 2. Server stability resolved 3. Zombies 4. Vehicles 5. Bugs fixed 6. New studio

Instead of adding Tanky vehicles, i would agree if during the year devs will make DAY EVENTS where Tanks can only exist on that day and for specific circumstances.

I actually suggested something like this on forums no to long ago. I said how it should be made as real as possible, in order to fix a car or something you should need to either know basic knowledge of it or look it up. It should obviously still be do-able, but very realistic. not hard, but realistic. My man reason for these thoughts at the time was that if I have some prior knowledge of survival, hunting, vehicles, etc. I should be able to use that to my advantage in-game. Good to know others think the same way.