HFB, Vilayer, and DayZCommander need to knock this crap off..

[Audio Rejectz 144]

I can put any disclaimer in front of anything I want. Doesn't mean it has any legal traction. Since they aren't making money off of the map itself, but by hosting the server, there's nothing wrong with this. Not to mention it's all about assets owned by BI, who ultimately owns them all, anyway.

It's a shame that people throwing little misinformed fits on a forum can cause so much damage to such a wonderfully thought out and designed tool. Oh, well, that's the internet for you.

You really know nothing about copyright infringements and disclaimers, keep your trying to be smart ass comments to yourself

[Leadon77 94]

For all you whiners just don't use it then...there crying done. For those that do use it great congrats you got an easily updatable FREE launcher that works great!

[RedNome 443]

Josh, you don't realize how powerful your software is, Vilayer would be nothing without the support you're given them and they know it, they've made so much money off the back of what you've created, why do you think they are giving you the free hosting, it's the least they could do after all.

They know the money is in the lazy, less PC savvy casual player and so have exploited your software as a means to get to them.

You think you are helping the community? You are infact harming it beyond belief by stifling the creation of these great mods by allowing this company to steal others ideas as there own.

I can't and will not support this until you make it right.

[Audio Rejectz 144]

From Lee_Vilayer lol...what an idiot

Hello Everyone,

It has come to my attention that there has been a major miss understanding with the use of Panthera Island.

I am extremely sorry for the type of use and did not fully realize the potential of these problems when releasing Panthera Island (DayZ Version).

We however have made no modifications to the Island package what so ever, everything has been added within other modifications.

All that has been done is resigning the Island package to ensure that everyone is running the correct version of the map so when they connect their signs are verified against the server keys.

I have looked through the readme file and verified that the copyrights are at the bottom, i am again very sorry for missing this and will start communications with Icebreakr as soon as possible to clear up this situation.

Please fully understand that we did not release this modification of DayZ for commercial use and it is being released for public use however, we have halted all releases of Panthera Island (server side) until we come to a conclusion on this issue.

Also just to make one valid point,

Lingor Island has been a DayZ modification for quite awhile yet i see no dispute about that map as of yet.

The same copyrights are at the bottom of the readme file, may i suggest that you contact them as well.

Lingor Island is also very highly used, much more than Panthera island.

I would just like to mention that i am very thankful for everyone input on this.

If anyone would like to contact me, please add me to skype on the following username.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Audio Rejectz

[DrunkPunk 159]

It's important to me that the ~700k people who have downloaded dayzcommander have an easy/successful experience. if people install new mods via commander, and they can't join any servers because there are so few and the ones that are there are full, I do not consider that a good experience.

One thing I want to add support for was requested here: http://forums.dayzco...ackage-manager/ I think that would open commander up more to up and coming mods.

You know, I haven't had an easy/successful experience with Lingor, Panthera, or any other mod until you put them in commander. People cry and act like it's some personal attack on them when they really have nothing at stake other than possibly experiencing it. I honestly can't believe that some people are so selfish that they would be so concerned with who is taking credit over accessibility rather than be happy the masses can experience their creations.

My biggest fear here is that you are going to pull support because a bunch of people are around here whining about this all. I would recommend getting in contact with the map creator, since I know you want to respect his wishes, and stop listening to all the whining BS that goes on here on these forums, regarding those who have no involvement other than they like to be a part of the internet drama. You've opened a huge door in helping the not-so-technically-inclined (as well as those who just run into stupid issues and enjoy a more streamlined experience, such as myself) in enjoying what this mod has to offer, and it would truly be a shame to see that progress halted over this nonsense.

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

Instead of quoting many msgs, i try to make some points, a sort of Q&A(it's my personal opinion of course...):

Q: Legally, can Vilayer using those maps (we're talking about the maps for now, not the mod) in that way?

A: Nope, they can't. They are using those maps for marketing purposes (if you browse the home page they are promoting their servers using these maps as a "feature"), this makes it a "commercial use".

Q: Is that bad?

A: For the map maker it is: if you make something for free, for the community, you would not like to see it used for commercial purpose, this is not only illegal, but it's demotivating.

Q: Is it that bad for the communit?

A: Today is not: as a normal user, you'll find the map, you'll play it. In the long term it will be, because the creator may not continue to create new contents for free, since his natural conclusion would be: "if that guy is making money using my work.. at this point i will make money myself!".

Q: What else is doing Vilayer that doesn't good?

A: it is modyfing the original mod, making it incompatible with the original version. If you analyze the original Panthera and the Vilayer Panthera mods, you'll see that most of the loot spawns coords matches perfectly: they literally RIPPED the work done by someone else, rebranded it, added something new (ie: some vehicles spawns) and made it "exclusive": so if you install the original mod you cannot join their server, but even worse: if you install their mod you cannot join the "original" server. Is this illegal? Probably not, it's against the community principle.

Q: So why blaming at DayZCommander?

A: DayZCommander decided to include Vilayers maps instead of the original ones, so it is promoting the above "activity" (in part illegal, in part just "evil"), it is also promoting the Vilayer server renting (there's a dedicate button on the main page of the app). Are DayzCommander devs doing anything illegal? Absolutely not, but (IMO) they doesn't deserve to be on the dayz webpage: they are promoting a commercial product (Vilayer hosting), pushing their "evil" (and in part illegal) politic.

Q: What's the solution?

A: it is VERY simple. Vilayer can continue to host anything they wants. They just need to ask for the PERMISSION to the map owner (if the map is used for commercial purpose: marketing) and they DOESN'T have to modify the work made by someone else: why making a "branded" version when there's already the mod available? So the community isn't fractured between two versions of the SAME map and you can join any server you want (you're not "forced" to go on the Vilayer network).

Edited October 11, 2012 by WalkerDown

[Zombie Jesus 723]

I get what your saying here. I fully support dayzcommander. Its a great, easy way for lesser pc savvy users to install the mod.

On the subject of vilayer though, i see it like this. Although Vilayer aren't selling the maps, they are using them as a marketing ploy to sell more monthly rented servers. Now this normally would be fine, IF they made the maps themselves, or asked the users permition. So in effect, vilayer is making money at icebreakr's expense.

Its like me taking a well know piece of art, hanging it in a different frame, calling it my own and selling it.

I am avoiding the Vilayer points on purpose because I think they are walking a very fine line that is borders on being an infringement. I actually appreciate some of what they are doing and would be a bald faced liar if I said I try to avoid their servers, having a private hive will make me forget about some of the other issues very quickly. If they actually were sued they would use the argument that I posted before, they sell server hosting and provide free maps and mods to clients all of which are available elsewhere. Clients are not paying for the maps, they are paying for the hosting service. I am not saying what they are doing is cool, I am just admitting that from a legal perspective (well at least in my country, this stuff becomes a crazy mess when you look at every countries rules on content) they have done nothing wrong.

Dayz commander would have to be crazy not to use the tools provided by Vilayer, sometimes you sacrifice to make something broadly available and people who complain about a subtle link included in the launcher are being babies. You can find the non Vilayer servers for these maps using Dayz commander, it is just harder to do. Personally I love Dayz commander due to the ease despite knowing how to download all of this independently (which I usually do to check out these maps well ahead of release by Vilayer). Hell if pushed I would say I sort of enjoy the service Vilayer provides, but I would have my reservations like many here as well.

[DrunkPunk 159]

You really know nothing about copyright infringements and disclaimers, keep your trying to be smart ass comments to yourself

haha I actually know a great deal, only been in the business of dealing with them my entire life. you really know nothing about me or what my daily life consists of, so try keeping your misinformed comments to yourself.

[Sula 1205]

I still don't understand what everyone is on about. So I can't hold a view right now. Someone has edited someone else's map?

[Leadon77 94]

Q: So why blaming at DayZCommander?

A: DayZCommander is promoting the Vilayer server renting (there's a dedicate button on the main page of the app). Are DayzCommander devs doing anything illegal? Absolutely not, but (IMO) they doesn't deserve to be on the dayz webpage: they are promoting a commercial product (Vilayer hosting), pushing their "evil" (and in part illegal) politic.

So if nike provided you with free shoes with their logo on it you simply wouldn't wear them right....none of your clothes have a brand on them you made them all yourself...then you are advertising for them, and you paid them to do so.

[Zombie Jesus 723]

I'm trying to figure out what this means for the lingor island mod too.... considering it's the same guy who made the map, and everyone liberally hosts it. I'm not sure why no one had a problem with this one being hosted by all the server companies.

As far as your liability goes you have nothing to worry about, in fact Vilayer probably has nothing to worry about either. There is a whole bunch of amateur lawyering going on in this thread and the majority of it is flat out wrong. Do not do anything drastic unless a someone with more than internet forum authority says something, even then most cease and desist letters are garbage and are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Remember you are doing nothing wrong, Vilayer might (but like I said most likely not) be something that they could be held liable for you are just providing a launcher. By the way I do love the launcher, great tool for the community and these forums are not a great indicator about how the general Dayz player feels.

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

It's all business, Icebreaker made a map because he likes to expand on an original idea and said you could use it for anything bar making money and Military use.

Only thing is here you have a company making money from maps of other makers and give nothing to the map makers. well if the map makers allow use of their maps for free and I hosted it on my server but charged sub's to other users / players then should i also be shamed for hosting it? Lets go one step further and say i was a server on DayZ Commander. Would I get the same treatment?

Whaaa delete Michaelvoodoo he is hosting a map and making money and the Original map maker dosen't like it, well I would be forced to remove the map I wouldn't expect DayZ Commander to be shelved because it provided access to it.

Im all for rights, But if i paid the map maker would all be fine with DayZ Commander? wheres the community spirit?

[RedNome 443]

Why can't people see the bigger picture here?

Yes, everything may seem rosy now, you have all these new (buggy) maps by vilayer to play on. Great, yes?

Well no, what happens when all the new content drys up because none of the creative minds want their work ripped off and profited from, what happens then? A future of fuck all new innovation is what happens, and the games drys up and dies.

Is that what you all want to happen?

Edited October 11, 2012 by RedNome

[Audio Rejectz 144]

haha I actually know a great deal, only been in the business of dealing with them my entire life. you really know nothing about me or what my daily life consists of, so try keeping your misinformed comments to yourself.

Well then what you know is wrong, i deal with copyrights / publishing rights and every form of right you could think of every day. Just Google my name, it's pretty obvious to see why.

They are using it for commercial purposes Fact, they have no rights to do so and in turn are in violation. Sugest you go back to your books and learn more about it mukka

[--------------- 24]

As far as your liability goes you have nothing to worry about, in fact Vilayer probably has nothing to worry about either. There is a whole bunch of amateur lawyering going on in this thread and the majority of it is flat out wrong. Do not do anything drastic unless a someone with more than internet forum authority says something, even then most cease and desist letters are garbage and are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Remember you are doing nothing wrong, Vilayer might (but like I said most likely not) be something that they could be held liable for you are just providing a launcher. By the way I do love the launcher, great tool for the community and these forums are not a great indicator about how the general Dayz player feels.

+1

[PersonalJ 5]

I get what your saying here. I fully support dayzcommander. Its a great, easy way for lesser pc savvy users to install the mod.

On the subject of vilayer though, i see it like this. Although Vilayer aren't selling the maps, they are using them as a marketing ploy to sell more monthly rented servers. Now this normally would be fine, IF they made the maps themselves, or asked the users permition. So in effect, vilayer is making money at icebreakr's expense.

Its like me taking a well know piece of art, hanging it in a different frame, calling it my own and selling it.

This seems to be the only gaming community that cares where the maps themselves are coming from. As far as the map files, we do not sell the maps themselves. We sell servers with proprietary code that allow you to play certain maps. This is akin to a map installation pack for CS:S or TF2 which you can find on FPSbanana. Anyone else is free to take map files, add the needed code, and have fully working maps of their choosing. If you have the know how you are able to do this yourself for any map of your choosing.

[RogueOne 112]

If they actually were sued they would use the argument that I posted before, they sell server hosting and provide free maps and mods to clients all of which are available elsewhere. Clients are not paying for the maps, they are paying for the hosting service.

True, Clients are paying for server hosting not the maps BUT they are using the map feature as a selling point so it's one and the same.

[--------------- 24]

Why can't people see the bigger picture here?

Yes, everything may seem rosy now, you have all these new (buggy) maps by vilayer to play on. Great, yes?

Well no, what happens when all the new content drys up because none of the creative minds want their work ripped off and profited from, what happens then? A future of fuck all new innovation is what happens, and the games drys up and dies.

Is that what you all want to happen?

This has been going on for years not just in this game but many other games ...

[Audio Rejectz 144]

Also, if vilayer are not monetizing it or trying to take ownership then care to elaborate on this response when asked for Panthera

We are not releasing the DayZPanthera or any other server code as they contain proprietary information, thank you for your offer anyways.

[avid_gamer 132]

Well timberwolf...

So you are saying that all the servers out there running MODS for ARMA2 are somehow stealing content from someone?

Wow... you need to get busy man... there are hundreds of MODs... and thousands upon thousands of Servers that have been rented by gaming communities on many many different server providers running these maps and mods.... See ya in about a year when ya get done going and bashing all of those hosting companies.

[PersonalJ 5]

Also, if vilayer are not monetizing it or trying to take ownership then care to elaborate on this response when asked for Panthera

Our serverside files have a large amount of proprietary code, if you need to full control over maps such as this I would advise you to make it yourself.

[RedNome 443]

This has been going on for years not just in this game but many other games ...

So we should all just accept it as the status quo and move on?

Sorry, I've got a voice and an opinion, and I'm prepared to use it, whether it makes a difference or not, I can at least say I tried.

[klesh 2423]

Also, if vilayer are not monetizing it or trying to take ownership then care to elaborate on this response when asked for Panthera

Didn't you already post the elaboration a few posts ago?

Please fully understand that we did not release this modification of DayZ for commercial use and it is being released for public use however, we have halted all releases of Panthera Island (server side) until we come to a conclusion on this issue.

[--------------- 24]

Flame on boys Because no one did anything wrong... Nice try but this is nothing but a spam topic for the butt hurt people ....

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

So now the community is in arms and there is a risk of us, the comsumers / the players losing maps we love and enjoy?