HFB, Vilayer, and DayZCommander need to knock this crap off..

[ersan 219]

You guys need to stop releasing maps and not releasing the server files so nobody can host them. It was fine at first because you were helping get new maps to players so the game was more enjoyable, but now you've created a version of Panthera that is significantly worse than MrSherenai's version... You are stifling creativity and creating subpar products.

And to the DayZCommander developer - you are completely abusing the popularity of your program and only including support for HFB/Vilayer maps for financial gain and are hurting the community because of it.

EDIT: I spoke to dotjosh on skype and I don't believe his motivations are financial, he's just trying to appease the majority.

I'm going to start working on my own server browser that will be open-source and hopefully better, more updated, and more community-driven than DayZCommander is, I will post on the forums when I have more information. If anyone that is equipped to contribute wants to help please send me a private message.

EDIT: This is on hold until I get more information, if community-developed maps aren't going to be supported in DayZ Commander I'll definitely get this project up and running though.

Edited October 12, 2012 by ersan191

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[mtuckner 46]

Vilayer won't release it because they are profiting off stolen / modified code. They continually take others work and with little to minor adaptation release it as their own for profit. Its shitty business practice and people should stop patronizing Vilayer servers.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

That's shady. Is there any way to find non villayer version of Panthera and the servers hosting it? I only installed via Commander because there's a lot of bullshit downloads floating around.

[ersan 219]

This is the original thread with the (superior) version of DayZ Panthera: http://www.tunngle.net/community/topic/97961-dayz-meets-panthera-island-updated-to-version-1-3/

The easiest way is to search for Panthera 1.3 instead of Panthera 1.1

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

This is the original thread with the (superior) version of DayZ Panthera: http://www.tunngle.n...to-version-1-3/

The easiest way is to search for Panthera 1.3 instead of Panthera 1.1

Appreciate it. Going to give it a shot tonight. Any word on the differences?

[thejackrabbit 6]

Sounds to me like a little host is getting mad at the big boys in the dayz hosting business because they are not sharing their cake with him. Have you ever thought that the reason why dayz commander released their version is because they have the servers backing it to warrant it being on commander? Before their release there was maybe 20 servers with panthera after their release almost 200, it only makes sense for the dayz commander author to back the people hosting almost all the servers on that list.

Lets face it, the rest of the hosts might as well stand in line and follow as they rule the industry, I want to talk numbers of servers here to sort of validate my point, Survival Servers id estimate 200-300 servers, Host Altitude 200-300, Dayz.st 100-200, HFB 700-800, Vilayer 900-1000, rest of little hosts 100-150, self dedicateds 250-300. Now tell me, do you see an outlier there? Yea Thats right Vilayer and HFB now its only logical that the two biggest hosts partner up/work together on something, which leads me to my next point.

Dayz Planet, notice how all the maps were re-branded with dayz planet? not Vilayer Not HFB but Dayz Planet. Now my only guess for that since the website is just a blank screen at the moment, is that they are trying to make a more unified private server place. The reason I say this is because I have a server with both Vilayer and HFB and I noticed that as soon as HFB started hosting fallujah I had the same player saves on my vilayer server and my HFB server. I contacted HFB asking what Hive this was connected to and they stated the DayZ Planet HIVE, which this was a shock to me as i have never heard of this before as this was over a week ago, well before the maps were released.

Now this is where I get to the good parts, You are saying this is a bad thing, this is hurting the community, and a ton of random other stuff. Has it ever occurred to you that HFB and Vilayer are actually working to help unify the community and get everybody into the same boat? What I mean by that is at the moment, there is a like 3 different versions of takistan 3 different versions of fallujah 2 versions of panthera, and tons of other random map ports and mods floating around tunngle and these forums which is just confusing new people to dayz. It appears to me that Dayz Planet is their attempt to suck everything up into one place make a just one version of each map/mod, As for one, you are bitching saying Vilayer and HFB released maps and they are just attempting to make money off of them, But tell me, where on the dayz planet maps loading screen or mission details do you see VILAYER ONLY or HFBSERVERS ONLY, thats right you DONT see it. You know for sure vilayer would have made a lot more sales if they just left it takistan/fallujah/utes by vilayer.com and hfbservers.com but they did not they said "by dayzplanet.com" I personally think we will be seeing a new very good community and server group coming up as they already have the largest private hive out there, tons of servers to release things on, players to endorse it and much more. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe just maybe they made it whitelabel for a reason, and maybe just maybe they have plans on releasing server files in the future just give them time. All i have to say, is if dayz planet becomes as big as I think it can, it will be the best thing for dayz mod. That brings me to my next point.

Have any of you actually Seriously talked to vilayer or hfb about dayz planet, not just said "can i haz maps plz". Im sure HFB built a trust with Vilayer as something like this would not be happening if they did not. People like you making posts flaming them about their attempt to HELP UNIFY the community because your not selling enough servers, or have not taken the time to use your words and talk to them, or what ever the reason is, You are all bitching and making HFB And Vilayer out to be the bad people, I know for sure that if the leading people who are doing these other maps and ports simply spoke to Vilayer or HFB and said "hey i want to help with dayz planet" instead of wasting their time reverse engineering dayz planet maps that they might, just might have been asked to join the dayz planet team.

Now to the whole drama about them copying panthera and how their version is soooooo much worse, that is bullshit. The only thing I have heard people say was worse was a little bit of FLOATING FUCKING LOOT my god such a big deal :o [not sure if you can sense the sarcasm] And to that mrs... something guy who bitched about copied code, Tell me, where did your base code come from well I can tell you that a majority of the base code these people are using actually came from some one who tore apart vilayer's takistan when it first came out as they were pretty much the first [with the exception of lingor] to actually modify dayz extensively. I say this because I was semi interested in dayz modding and map porting for a little while and I know for a fact that there is certain bits of code that are NOT in standard dayz that made their first appearance in vilayer takistan which them just happen to make it into the takistan and fallujah ports and here is the kicker, even in the original panthera that was posted on tunngle XD thats what I find fucking funny as hell. Did you see pwnozor get mad at vilayer for releasing fallujah before he had his version 100% finished [but done] no you did not he simply moved on and made Emita City, did not bitch, did not complain just moved on.

Now for you ersan, why in the world are you bitching at another host in a PUBLIC FORUM you have a problem with someone in your same area of server hosting you take it up with them personally, not bitch and moan on here. The only people who do that type of thing are children who cant fight there urges to bitch/ cant do anything to fix them and needs the assurance of others to keep them on their high horse and of course try to sell a few servers... Do you see any other server hosts bitching and complaining? no you dont because they know that childish behavior like that will give customers a bad taste when looking at you.

TL:DR

People need to stop bitching and complaining. It seems Vilayer and HFB are doing something a lot better for the community then anybody else.

[reuben5150 83]

You guys need to stop releasing maps and not releasing the server files so nobody can host them. It was fine at first because you were helping get new maps to players so the game was more enjoyable, but now you've created a version of Panthera that is significantly worse than MrSherenai's version... You are stifling creativity and creating subpar products.

And to the DayZCommander developer - you are completely abusing the popularity of your program and only including support for HFB/Vilayer maps for financial gain and are hurting the community because of it.

I'm going to start working on my own server browser that will be open-source and hopefully better, more updated, and more community-driven than DayZCommander is, I will post on the forums when I have more information. If anyone that is equipped to contribute wants to help please send me a private message.

If it's any comfort, all the vilayer maps are shite except fallujah, and that's ruined by hackers and dumbass players who just want to destroy everything.

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Vilayer won't release it because they are profiting off stolen / modified code. They continually take others work and with little to minor adaptation release it as their own for profit. Its shitty business practice and people should stop patronizing Vilayer servers.

Wrong

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Sounds to me like a little host is getting mad at the big boys in the dayz hosting business because they are not sharing their cake with him. Have you ever thought that the reason why dayz commander released their version is because they have the servers backing it to warrant it being on commander? Before their release there was maybe 20 servers with panthera after their release almost 200, it only makes sense for the dayz commander author to back the people hosting almost all the servers on that list.

Lets face it, the rest of the hosts might as well stand in line and follow as they rule the industry, I want to talk numbers of servers here to sort of validate my point, Survival Servers id estimate 200-300 servers, Host Altitude 200-300, Dayz.st 100-200, HFB 700-800, Vilayer 900-1000, rest of little hosts 100-150, self dedicateds 250-300. Now tell me, do you see an outlier there? Yea Thats right Vilayer and HFB now its only logical that the two biggest hosts partner up/work together on something, which leads me to my next point.

Dayz Planet, notice how all the maps were re-branded with dayz planet? not Vilayer Not HFB but Dayz Planet. Now my only guess for that since the website is just a blank screen at the moment, is that they are trying to make a more unified private server place. The reason I say this is because I have a server with both Vilayer and HFB and I noticed that as soon as HFB started hosting fallujah I had the same player saves on my vilayer server and my HFB server. I contacted HFB asking what Hive this was connected to and they stated the DayZ Planet HIVE, which this was a shock to me as i have never heard of this before as this was over a week ago, well before the maps were released.

Now this is where I get to the good parts, You are saying this is a bad thing, this is hurting the community, and a ton of random other stuff. Has it ever occurred to you that HFB and Vilayer are actually working to help unify the community and get everybody into the same boat? What I mean by that is at the moment, there is a like 3 different versions of takistan 3 different versions of fallujah 2 versions of panthera, and tons of other random map ports and mods floating around tunngle and these forums which is just confusing new people to dayz. It appears to me that Dayz Planet is their attempt to suck everything up into one place make a just one version of each map/mod, As for one, you are bitching saying Vilayer and HFB released maps and they are just attempting to make money off of them, But tell me, where on the dayz planet maps loading screen or mission details do you see VILAYER ONLY or HFBSERVERS ONLY, thats right you DONT see it. You know for sure vilayer would have made a lot more sales if they just left it takistan/fallujah/utes by vilayer.com and hfbservers.com but they did not they said "by dayzplanet.com" I personally think we will be seeing a new very good community and server group coming up as they already have the largest private hive out there, tons of servers to release things on, players to endorse it and much more. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe just maybe they made it whitelabel for a reason, and maybe just maybe they have plans on releasing server files in the future just give them time. All i have to say, is if dayz planet becomes as big as I think it can, it will be the best thing for dayz mod. That brings me to my next point.

Have any of you actually Seriously talked to vilayer or hfb about dayz planet, not just said "can i haz maps plz". Im sure HFB built a trust with Vilayer as something like this would not be happening if they did not. People like you making posts flaming them about their attempt to HELP UNIFY the community because your not selling enough servers, or have not taken the time to use your words and talk to them, or what ever the reason is, You are all bitching and making HFB And Vilayer out to be the bad people, I know for sure that if the leading people who are doing these other maps and ports simply spoke to Vilayer or HFB and said "hey i want to help with dayz planet" instead of wasting their time reverse engineering dayz planet maps that they might, just might have been asked to join the dayz planet team.

Now to the whole drama about them copying panthera and how their version is soooooo much worse, that is bullshit. The only thing I have heard people say was worse was a little bit of FLOATING FUCKING LOOT my god such a big deal :o [not sure if you can sense the sarcasm] And to that mrs... something guy who bitched about copied code, Tell me, where did your base code come from well I can tell you that a majority of the base code these people are using actually came from some one who tore apart vilayer's takistan when it first came out as they were pretty much the first [with the exception of lingor] to actually modify dayz extensively. I say this because I was semi interested in dayz modding and map porting for a little while and I know for a fact that there is certain bits of code that are NOT in standard dayz that made their first appearance in vilayer takistan which them just happen to make it into the takistan and fallujah ports and here is the kicker, even in the original panthera that was posted on tunngle XD thats what I find fucking funny as hell. Did you see pwnozor get mad at vilayer for releasing fallujah before he had his version 100% finished [but done] no you did not he simply moved on and made Emita City, did not bitch, did not complain just moved on.

Now for you ersan, why in the world are you bitching at another host in a PUBLIC FORUM you have a problem with someone in your same area of server hosting you take it up with them personally, not bitch and moan on here. The only people who do that type of thing are children who cant fight there urges to bitch/ cant do anything to fix them and needs the assurance of others to keep them on their high horse and of course try to sell a few servers... Do you see any other server hosts bitching and complaining? no you dont because they know that childish behavior like that will give customers a bad taste when looking at you.

TL:DR

People need to stop bitching and complaining. It seems Vilayer and HFB are doing something a lot better for the community then anybody else.

+1

[poxyz 23]

My friend got all the server files without a problem... Not sure why it would be so difficult to get them...

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because they would not be able to cry like a little girl..Its sad

[humbleuk 76]

A similar thing happened with city life devs, where they took others codes or created other versions and locked them down for use, for them only.

Then any other mod that was out with same title was classed as the version not to play, which vilayer are doing, they stop people from playing the real version, they need to rename it really.

Then tell dayz commander any other version is no good for end user, fuck off!

When i first started a private hive code (in march/april time) i sent vilayer a message in support showcasing what i was doing and how would they like the code and could i try using the servers.

Thier reply was simply " WE DO NOT SUPPORT PIRACY" " MODDING SOMEONE ELSES WORK IS THEFT" "ROCKET DOES NOT WANT PRIVATE STYLE HIVES" "WE DO NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED"

Now they take code and spoon feed bad versions to other people.. it's wrong guys.. don't care what you say.

It's amazing how they took a complete turn and saw that private was the way, at least the guy who orginally made it know the mod is liked at least, so not all effort is wasted.

Anyways you can always sniff out and rip the server files anyway, just gotta know how - there are tools for this on armatech modding sites, for those selfish people who nick others codes.. it's never locked down really.

next up : vilayer claim copyright on mission files, ROFL.

I think the funny part is you can get a dedicated box, for less than what vilayer charge you for a vps with several instances on it and aquire all these maps for free, so you'd pay less, get better resource and much more value for money, so oh well... your loss.

When you borrow code in arma, you add credits and ask other people, not simply rebrand it and then lock out the real mod.

Shame..

Edited October 11, 2012 by MessHall

[ersan 219]

To all of those claiming anyone can 'sniff out the server files' you are inept... The client files are signed with a private key that only Vilayer and HFB have access to making them incompatible with any other server, please don't talk out of your ass. You can acquire free ports of these maps but they will be entirely incompatible with the versions DayZ Commander downloads - go try it for yourself.

Me trying to directly communicate with Vilayer about the matter will fall on deaf ears... Why would they give a crap what a competitor has to say about them? I asked to pay Vilayer to license their maps and my request was denied - there is nothing else to do. 'DayZ Planet' is a meaningless moniker they have called their inter-company hive and maps, there are no maps available for download there and there is no hive anyone other than HFB and Vilayer will have access to. HFB is only involved because they had developed maps that Vilayer hadn't.

To the guy claiming I'm upset because Vilayer and HFB are larger than my company, I really could not care less. I have two other extremely successful companies that absolutely dwarf anything DayZ hosting ever was or will be - Vilayer and HFB are microscopic compared to the other companies I've founded/run in the past and now. DayZ.ST is a pet project of mine that I actually enjoy working on as of late because I've always wanted to get involved in the game server hosting industry even though it's utterly oversaturated and mostly full of children using their mothers credit cards and complaining to support a lot. DayZ is the only game I've seen where its players are generally mature and well-informed and is the perfect opportunity for us to build a global game server network platform, which is what I'm doing. DayZ.ST has always operated around $0 profit, all of the profits are reinvested into the network.

My problem is that they are not only forming a duopoly (which is always bad for consumers, and is why hard drives cost 4 times what they did 6 months ago) but they are discrediting people who worked very hard on creating better versions of maps (and even the map creators themselves, who are the real geniuses in this scenario - a map may take months or years to develop whereas porting the map to DayZ will take a couple days) who have now given up on contributing to DayZ due to the greed of two server hosts.

Pwnoz0r is obviously upset about them ripping Fallujah - he posted this yesterday: http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/98717-dayz-panthera-servers-mrsherenais-version/#entry933388

And they absolutely copy/pasted MrSherenai's loot spawn code, there is literally no other fathomable way that they would come up with the exact same spawn locations, they are decimals with several places there is no room for coincidence.

Edited October 11, 2012 by ersan191

[poxyz 23]

Bad topic, keep private hive chat to hives not bitching

Ps seems your pissed that your clients are switching. Since you have advertising in your sig

*** All I see here is one buisness man ripping on another company because they have something he does not have. The sad thing is he is doing it publicly.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Poxyz

[ersan 219]

Bad topic, keep private hive chat to hives not bitching

Ps seems your pissed that your clients are switching. Since you have advertising in your sig

*** All I see here is one buisness man ripping on another company because they have something he does not have. The sad thing is he is doing it publicly.

We've had 1 cancellation since the company started. Everyone else has renewed, did you even read my post?

[ersan 219]

Looks like the original creator of the maps is upset as well: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?100135-Jungle-Wars-Island-of-Lingor&p=2238097&viewfull=1#post2238097

He's considering seeking legal action against Vilayer.

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

I ask the DayZ forum and website owners to remove the DayZ Commander link from this website until they fix the following "issue".

Reason: DayZ Commander is promoting the activity of Vilayer (a known DayZ server hoster). Vilayer is "porting" community made maps without respecting the "fair usage" prerogative. They are also (literally) stealing other works, simply by adding their banner to the frontend and so releasing "unfinished" maps just to attract more customers.

DayZ commander is NOT releasing the original maps, but the ones modified by Vilayer (because of their trade agrement), forcing many people to download those maps instead of the original ones, fracturing the community: acqually we have TWO instances of those maps, that are the original ones and the fake ones made by Vilayer, and you cannot see each others while browsing the game list (they aren't compatible).

Consideration:

- I have no idea on how a public hoster may operate this way (it wouldn't even be legal);

- It's a shame that a product (DayZ Commander) that has been promoted as a tool to help the community, has turned into a spamming software;

For more details you may follow this thread on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/11b2ns/the_real_author_of_lingor_and_panthera_is_going/

[RedNome 443]

I posted this in another thread:

It's fucking disgusting what they are doing tbh, and DayZ Commanders involvement has also displeased me.

I will be going a step further than you and will no longer be using or recommending DayZ Commander until the creator of said software drops his open support for Vilayer.

The whole thing stinks.

Edited October 11, 2012 by RedNome

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

The question has been exposed in many thread.. but until this website directly or undirectly promotes that tools, unfortunately, the new user will use it.. believing that those maps are the "real" ones, without investigating further, creating a sort of monopoly.

For the final user it won't change much.. initially.. but as soon those creators will realize that their work is going to be stolen for commercial purpose, they will STOP to create more contents (or simply porting) and game won't work anymore.. neither for Vilayer, neither for ourself.

Vilayer is damaging this community, and DayZCommander is helping them to do so.

[RedNome 443]

Yup, didn't take Commander long to sell out.

Very disappointing.

[captainkaleb 5]

And if you dont give one fuck about it?

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

I will be uninstalling DayZ Commander when I get home tonight. What kind of asshole allows others to steal free work. Dayz Commander Creator you need to get ur ass in here and start explaining yourself.

[RedNome 443]

And if you dont give one fuck about it?

Don't spam this thread with bullshit.

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

so you want this "free" software which allows me to play this "free" mod, and enjoy fresh new "free" maps to be banned ??

have i got that right ???

ummm yea, whateva.