Remove NVG and TWS

[daze23 549]

You can get the vast majority of endgame gear within 2 hours of play time, by just going north, you just have to work for it.

hardly. I mean some of this stuff has like a 0.11% chance of spawning in the barracks. that's pretty rare if you're not farming and/or server hopping

[NavyCuda 39]

hardly. I mean some of this stuff has like a 0.11% chance of spawning in the barracks. that's pretty rare if you're not farming and/or server hopping

I usually play on one server and rarely server hop, and if I do hop, it's usually to raid someones camp on another server and jump back and forth to my vehicle to offload the stolen gear.

As a fresh spawn, I see no need to server hop because I can get everything I need with a lap around the map. It takes about 2, maybe 3 hours to go completely around the high value areas of the map and collect gear. I will concede that I don't always end up with Ghillie and NVG within the first 2 hours, but more often than not, I do. For me, the only gear I "need" is my DMR. With that rifle, I'm in control and those who have been on the recieving end of my DMR rethink their tactics when dealing with me, but again, that's due to playing on one server with regulars who get to know you and that I monitor and get to know.

There is more to DayZ than just getting gear and killing people. If you don't server hop, and you stay on one server you need to learn the people that "live" there with you. Who works with who, who is a lone wolf, who shoots on sight(me!) who is friendly and gets shot on sight(by me!). If I don't have my combat load out, I stay away from heavily populated areas until I have gotten to the point where I can defend myself.

My crowning achievement is losing to a AS-50 TWS sniper. I had him, but it was my own mistakes that cost me the kill. He fired off a number of magazines at me while I was evacuating electro, and missed. I circled around him and he was still sitting in his hiding spot, which was quite open actually. I didn't need to range him, but I errored on my hold over as he was ranging me. I opened fire, corrected, and got one or two hits, but due to the distance I wasn't doing much damage and he moved to cover. My critical mistake was not retreating to cover after my magazine ran dry and relocating. Instead, like a new player I sat through my reloading animation as he came back out from his cover and put one .50 into my face. It was great, I truly enjoyed it, even though I lost all my gear, because I saw the error I made, but up until that point I had him. This proved to me that my tactics were sound, but that there are areas where I still need improvement.

DayZ isn't about the gear, its about how each person approaches the situations they are presented with. This thread is people whining about the situations they are presented with and trying to limit the number of different situations they have to learn how to handle.

[Inception. 9443]

Remove the L85 if you must; it doesn't affect me. But not NVGs. Night firefights are amazing.

[daze23 549]

I usually play on one server and rarely server hop, and if I do hop, it's usually to raid someones camp on another server and jump back and forth to my vehicle to offload the stolen gear.

As a fresh spawn, I see no need to server hop because I can get everything I need with a lap around the map. It takes about 2, maybe 3 hours to go completely around the high value areas of the map and collect gear. I will concede that I don't always end up with Ghillie and NVG within the first 2 hours, but more often than not, I do. For me, the only gear I "need" is my DMR. With that rifle, I'm in control and those who have been on the recieving end of my DMR rethink their tactics when dealing with me, but again, that's due to playing on one server with regulars who get to know you and that I monitor and get to know.

yeah, I was just talking about the 'top-tier' gear (nvg's, 50 cals, range finders, etc). I agree you can get decent gear pretty quick if you know where to go

I'm not gonna count raiding camps, since they tend to be filled with duped, or at least farmed, gear

my main point is that all of the duped and spawned-in gear has ruined the 'balance' this game had. it was a pretty good set-up the way the best loot spots were far from the coast. back then the pvp around the coast was pretty much strictly enfields and similar stuff

[jdz (DayZ) 238]

I completely agree with removing them. I have had many pairs of NVGs and they are faaar to powerful and should be removed.

[reuben5150 83]

As for fairness... This is Dayz we have no need for fair or balanced.

Wrong, and either Rocket doesn't understand this or it's an excuse for an unfinished design.

As for Nvg's, they contradict what night time is mean to achieve.

Just another noob crutch item, but since they exist, they are a must have if you want to survive the night.

[daze23 549]

the nvg's are in a weird place now cause hardly anyone plays at night. they're great for looting on an empty server, but just know that anyone else on the server probably has them too. or they just turn up the gamma and brightness (another issue)

there's also the issue of what they can be used with. I think the DMR is the only sniper rifle they work with. I'm not sure how that works 'in real life'. it's interesting you never hear anyone complain that the FAL AN/PVS-4 is 'overpowered'. that gun seems like a good compromise since it's useless in the day

[tomallbones@gmail.com 2]

Remove the TWS. Keep NVG, keep 50 cals..you say "duping aside" but thats exactly the biggest issue..duping. You want that feel of epic loot from a game in which there are no hackers and duping, you're just too used to everyone have NVG's and thermals..in reality in most servers you enter you'd get 1 person maybe 0 people with NVG's.

No need to ruin part of what makes the game amazing. This was my favourite game until the hacking and the duping, over everything. Just hope the standalone delivers everything it needs to. :)

[NavyCuda 39]

yeah, I was just talking about the 'top-tier' gear (nvg's, 50 cals, range finders, etc). I agree you can get decent gear pretty quick if you know where to go

I'm not gonna count raiding camps, since they tend to be filled with duped, or at least farmed, gear

my main point is that all of the duped and spawned-in gear has ruined the 'balance' this game had. it was a pretty good set-up the way the best loot spots were far from the coast. back then the pvp around the coast was pretty much strictly enfields and similar stuff

To be fair I believe a number of these issues will be resolved in the stand alone, however I will never support removing any items from the game because someone has the opinion they are too powerful.

There is only one weapon, in my mind that is not suitable for DayZ and that is nuclear weapons. I think there should be A-10s that you can get operational and bomb the hell out of Cherno or punch 30mm rounds through someone's off-road pickup while they're cruising down the coast road. Every weapon and vehicle can be countered by someone with a brain.

[reuben5150 83]

Every weapon and item available in ARMA2 should be available in DayZ.

Arma 2 + zombies, can we get anymore silly ?

What happened to that survival game that once looked so promising.......

[reuben5150 83]

This discussion just got totally retarded.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

on further note, who ever said war was fair?

[Stafoo 61]

Yea NVGs are op Everyone should just have to turn up their brightness and Gamma like in real life.

[daze23 549]

To be fair I believe a number of these issues will be resolved in the stand alone, however I will never support removing any items from the game because someone has the opinion they are too powerful.

There is only one weapon, in my mind that is not suitable for DayZ and that is nuclear weapons. I think there should be A-10s that you can get operational and bomb the hell out of Cherno or punch 30mm rounds through someone's off-road pickup while they're cruising down the coast road. Every weapon and vehicle can be countered by someone with a brain.

well things like an A-10 require a lot of ground support 'in real life'. I'm not sure this game is ready for a level of realism that involves greasing pistons and whatnot. it's bad enough there's a system where an ATV, bus, and tractor all use the same tires. I mean, how may jerry cans to fill up a jet plane?

anyway, i don't think we need much explanation as to why every weapon known to man isn't on this (relatively) small piece of land

[kevinawright@hotmail.com 10]

TWS? As in the AS50 TWS? That isn't meant to be in the game anyway.

Just play the game and use what the game provides to your advantage, want a different experience than what the main hive is providing then join a private hive. Also to put things into perspective the population of the forum is a fraction of the playerbase, unless everyone on the forum complains in unison I doubt anything will come of this unless Rocket had planned it initially.

You won't see these things gone or changed until the standalone game, I doubt the duping which is much much further up on the priority list than altering game content like equipment be looked after either.

[tomallbones@gmail.com 2]

This discussion just got totally retarded.

[daze23 549]

on further note, who ever said war was fair?

well it all come down to the game being 'fun' or not

I know we all like to be cool guys and say "rocket set out to make the anti-game". but lets face it, no one wants to play a game where you have no chance in hell

[Maca (DayZ) 769]

To be honest i dont see any problem with the NVG's, AS50TWS on the other hand as we all know was hacked in and duplicated as fast as 2 horny bunnies going at it. Next thing you know we've an epidmic of horny bunnies "Duplicating"....

[NavyCuda 39]

Arma 2 + zombies, can we get anymore silly ?

What happened to that survival game that once looked so promising.......

That's what we have already, so can you clearly detail the "silly"

The only difference is that there is a reduced availablilty of gear in DayZ.

I'm not suggesting that you go to international airfield and there be an entire squadron of A-10s, but perhaps one or two that can be made operational. I'm not suggesting either that you go to the barracks and there be crates of all the different weapons. What am suggesting is that they should all be available on the loot table, even if the spawn rate is extremely rare.

I don't believe for a second that gear makes a better player, I've killed ghillied out super snipers with the Lee Enfield because they relied too heavily on their gear and not their brain. I've been killed for relying too heavily on my gear instead of using my brain. I've been killed by weapons scripted into the game, but I don't complain about it, because my death was a result of my failing to be aware of my surroundings. I've been killed by hackers too, but as irritating as that is, I can recognize that those issues will be under better control in the stand alone.

Demanding that more gear be removed from the game isn't using your brain, it's being lazy.

well things like an A-10 require a lot of ground support 'in real life'. I'm not sure this game is ready for a level of realism that involves greasing pistons and whatnot. it's bad enough there's a system where an ATV, bus, and tractor all use the same tires. I mean, how may jerry cans to fill up a jet plane?

anyway, i don't think we need much explanation as to why every weapon known to man isn't on this (relatively) small piece of land

Oh I totally agree with you, however if you have a large enough group of people it is feasible to maintain a rather large fleet of vehicles without resorting to parking off map or duplicating components to fix the vehicles. The UH-1H needs pretty substantial logistics behind it as well, however DayZ does a reasonable job of replicating the logistics needed to keep it operational. An A-10 is going to require more logistics to keep it operational, and the repair process should reflect that, should it ever be available as a legitimate vehicle.

I totally agree on the tires and most of the vehicle parts spawned. I can tell you from my own experience, you're not going to pick up a cast iron engine block and toss it in your backpack and carry it all around hells half acre. The UH-1H uses a turbine engine, so how could parts from a reciprocating engine even be useful on the UH-1H?

Certain realities are more difficult than others to model digitally and reproduce with authenticity, the vehicle repair model is one of those realities.

You're right we don't need an explanation as to why every firearm isn't available. However due to the large military presence in Chernarus, it is likely there would be a fair amount of NVGs and premium grade military firearms, ripe for the picking. Where is all the logistics that supported the dead zombie soldiers? Where are all the weapons left over from the dead military zombies?

[NavyCuda 39]

Arma 2 + zombies, can we get anymore silly ?

What happened to that survival game that once looked so promising.......

That's what we have already, so can you clearly detail the "silly"

The only difference is that there is a reduced availablilty of gear in DayZ.

I'm not suggesting that you go to international airfield and there be an entire squadron of A-10s, but perhaps one or two that can be made operational. I'm not suggesting either that you go to the barracks and there be crates of all the different weapons. What am suggesting is that they should all be available on the loot table, even if the spawn rate is extremely rare.

I don't believe for a second that gear makes a better player, I've killed ghillied out super snipers with the Lee Enfield because they relied too heavily on their gear and not their brain. I've been killed for relying too heavily on my gear instead of using my brain. I've been killed by weapons scripted into the game, but I don't complain about it, because my death was a result of my failing to be aware of my surroundings. I've been killed by hackers too, but as irritating as that is, I can recognize that those issues will be under better control in the stand alone.

Demanding that more gear be removed from the game isn't using your brain, it's being lazy.

well things like an A-10 require a lot of ground support 'in real life'. I'm not sure this game is ready for a level of realism that involves greasing pistons and whatnot. it's bad enough there's a system where an ATV, bus, and tractor all use the same tires. I mean, how may jerry cans to fill up a jet plane?

anyway, i don't think we need much explanation as to why every weapon known to man isn't on this (relatively) small piece of land

Oh I totally agree with you, however if you have a large enough group of people it is feasible to maintain a rather large fleet of vehicles without resorting to parking off map or duplicating components to fix the vehicles. The UH-1H needs pretty substantial logistics behind it as well, however DayZ does a reasonable job of replicating the logistics needed to keep it operational. An A-10 is going to require more logistics to keep it operational, and the repair process should reflect that, should it ever be available as a legitimate vehicle.

I totally agree on the tires and most of the vehicle parts spawned. I can tell you from my own experience, you're not going to pick up a cast iron engine block and toss it in your backpack and carry it all around hells half acre. The UH-1H uses a turbine engine, so how could parts from a reciprocating engine even be useful on the UH-1H?

Certain realities are more difficult than others to model digitally and reproduce with authenticity, the vehicle repair model is one of those realities.

You're right we don't need an explanation as to why every firearm isn't available. However due to the large military presence in Chernarus, it is likely there would be a fair amount of NVGs and premium grade military firearms, ripe for the picking. Where is all the logistics that supported the dead zombie soldiers? Where are all the weapons left over from the dead military zombies?

[esham (DayZ) 25]

How about Keep the NVG's and get rid of the Thermal or... make the ghillie suits thermal resistant.

Edited October 9, 2012 by esham

[terex 322]

These items might not be so bad if they can't get hacked in or duped around.. I've never found a pair of nvg's that weren't on a player. I wouldn't be sad to see these items go though.

[Bongofish 22]

Hope Rocket puts the emphasis back on player interaction and doesn't turn this into BF3 with zombies.

[NavyCuda 39]

How about Keep the NVG's and get rid of the Thermal or... make the ghillie suits thermal resistant.

I was talking with a buddy of mine the other day about ghillie suits, he was telling me it was like wearing a snow suit and that he was sweating within minutes of putting it on. This is probably why the ghillie lights up so well through the thermal scope.

What I would like to see is CADPAT instead of camo, and it's designed to reduce your thermal signature.

[Seacher 3]

I had a pair of NVG ... once for like three hours. Felt like King S*&^, until I did something stupid (which I do a lot) and lost them. Excellent equipment doesn't mean anything if you are stupid. Once the stand alone comes out, hacked items in the stand alone will be rare if non-existent, and NVG and TWS will again be rare items.