How do you avoid raging? (hack rant)

[Fyre (DayZ) 6]

I know you're not supposed to get attached to items in-game. And after losing many a Ghille Suit, Ural, NightVision, neat weapons and the like, I'd like to think I'm somewhat detached. But mostly from legitimate kills. Some guy sneaks up with a revolver and puts one point blank to my head? Ouch! That sucks. Sniped from a building in the middle of Cherno? Awww. Shot off my motorbike via some assault rifle while trying to escape after being ambushed while fueling? Harsh! But none of that is as upsetting as hack deaths. And even losing just uncommon things, much less rare, makes me rage. Like "omfg I just got that Alice Pack and you thought the whole server needed to die? May your family drive off a cliff ARRGGGG." Especially bad when you lose a rangefinger, NVG, 2x mountain dew and antibiotics to some nut that decides to teleport you and your entire server to the middle of nowhere a zillion miles out, saying "Let the games begin!" in voice chat and then proceeding to kill everybody off.

So how does anybody cope? =[ I don't want to rage. I want to play. But I find it increasingly difficult to justify any time spent playing when you spend more time re-gearing stuff lost illegitimately, then actually like.. tense moments avoiding zombies and other players in urban combat. I was actually laughing at myself when I was shot point blank in a grocery store. Probably the first kill that guy had ever done, and he wanted to be sure. Hard to miss at <1 foot away. I lost a little bit there, but good on him! He got the better of me, and I wasn't listening. But losing hours and hours of gained gear to some guy getting his jollies by seeing people running around like headless chickens in barren landscape off the map? I just don't understand the mindset to just let that go. Maybe I'll go back to Minesweeper. Placing those little red flags is endlessly satisfying.

Slight addition - it's also frustrating to lose friends to play with over said incidents. I'm finding it increasingly hard to find buddies to play with when they swear off the game to stupidity like the above mentioned incidents. I know it's alpha, and we deal with graphical glitches and other things (I walked off a roof once because I threw an empty tin can before I stopped walking). But I don't even understand how these hacks exist. Not even talking about duplicating, but rather who puts code in a game meant to be ultra strict that allows "thunder doming" or map-wide teleports?

[wordplayuk@gmail.com 101]

It can be hard, it can. Just breath and go and do something else, you'll move in quickly.

Edited August 24, 2012 by Criminal

[terex 322]

I cope because within 5 minutes of dying you can have the same full AS50 + L85 NVG Rangefinder etc loadout.. Running around the popular sniper hills, raiding a camp, however you want to invest the time to get the gear. Dying to hackers sucks yes, avoid 30+ person servers if you want to see them less.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

I just take a break. When I get really pissed off I remind myself that the standalone is not far away...

[svenbreakfast 231]

Realize that you are a mote of semi-conscious carbon on a grain of sand floating in an infinite vacuum who's life will be over before you know it.

[twitch13 49]

you just play enough and lose enough until you reach the point where you feel nothing when you lose everything. maybe stare at the screen for like 30 seconds and then start again.

the game is in alpha and battleye is trash, so deaths from bugs and hackers are facts of the game that you have to accept when you choose to play. you don't have to like it, but it's the way things are right now.

i don't understand how hackers get off killing people either, but that's beside the point.

[W1Z22 33]

well the problem with arma 2 thats been stated a million times is that its a very trusting game.. it lets you inject scripts(which is whats really going on.. NOT hacking) and the hacking CANT really be fixed until the game is standalone.

if you suspect a hacker is on just leave and wait a little bit.. or stay on servers that you trust.. or if you are about to be killed by a hacker( like you see someone teleport or something crazy) just shut off the game and hopefully you avoid death

[lordopeth 274]

Play to have fun, dont care what your doing, test the game like we are supposed to.

Wait for Standalone.. I am. But I still have fun running Cherno flapping my arms yelling friendly!

[Fyre (DayZ) 6]

if you suspect a hacker is on just leave and wait a little bit.. or stay on servers that you trust.. or if you are about to be killed by a hacker( like you see someone teleport or something crazy) just shut off the game and hopefully you avoid death

Oh, the minute I suspect anything, I'd disconnect. But it's usually just an instantaneous action. For example, the incident that prompted this post :

We were playing on a fairly populated server. 30-ish. Yes, prime target. But the hack wasn't during populated times. We wanted to encounter other players after being bored of small servers, and we started in Electro, went around.. friend got axed, I found a motorcycle.. and we got like half geared. SUDDENLY THUNDER DOME, the entire server falls over dead. Sucks, but .... we didn't have much, didn't rage. Respawned close, found our stuff, found motorcycle (!) and left to Berezino. Geared more, went to Starry. Omg a red car! Realize it's 2am (we started at like.. 11pm?) He logs, and it's just me. But a car! A new red car in Starry Sobor only a popular server. I can't just ... leave it. CAR PART HUNTING TIME. Go to factory. Find parts. Find TWO DOWNED HELOS. AS50 spawned on helo. 249 machine gun thing. Omg I lack an alice pack, and motorcycle storage is .... lacking. Ask friend to log on to help Spend ALL NIGHT repairing car, getting back to helos and stuffing it in the car. This after survivng that coughing illness, falling off the edge of the factory and breaking my leg, zombie zombie zombies, etc. 6am, car repaired. Move car and motorcycle to super secret spot. 6:30am. Log off for night. Looted helos, fixed cars, saved life, etc. SUCCESS. Next morning - log in to check. Pitch black, can't see. boo. Log out. Friend logs in because he thinks he might be able to see. Suddenly he's teleported away to the middle of nowhere, and bam! Dead. Respawned with literally zero items. Not even a flashlight. He's upset, swears off game for good. Well, damn. -1 friend to play with, and the 249 machine gun thing is gone (AS50 still on my person. I hope...) Guessing our cars probably didn't make it, because faith = zero. And.. here I am.

Also honestly, I have yet to find a server that hasn't had some major hack incident, severe lag, or constant down time. It would be far more reassuring if I had a safe place to play.

I cope because within 5 minutes of dying you can have the same full AS50 + L85 NVG Rangefinder etc loadout.. Running around the popular sniper hills, raiding a camp, however you want to invest the time to get the gear. Dying to hackers sucks yes, avoid 30+ person servers if you want to see them less.

5 minutes? wat? It takes me 5 minutes just to find an empty soda can. What're you, Usain Bolt? It takes me the greater part of hours to get even geared enough to consider myself somewhat of a threat.

Edited August 24, 2012 by Fyre

[Hydra (DayZ) 472]

Problem: Getting a scripter teleport to you and playershield you.

Solution: Retrieve another gearset from tents, don't afraid of anything and start killing all you see for a short period of time. Including those friggin' bunnies.

[Shaimou 49]

I usually get bored when I have good gear so dying is kind of reliefing.

[Shard (DayZ) 24]

I used to get mad when I got killed in games, and sometimes I still do, but for the most part I'm a pretty calm person. If I die in dayz due to hackers, I'll curse out loud and then sigh and respawn.

When I get really mad, I'll slam my fist on the table and then Alt F4 or go do something else. I'm not one to rage..

I'm not an angry person in real life either. (Outside of video games with other people)

Edited August 24, 2012 by Shard

[hawken 22]

Go outside

[kozmo 8]

I realize that it is just a game and that what happens in the game has no effect on my actual life? Anger causes temporary stupidity..

Why rage out over something you have no control over.

[Fyre (DayZ) 6]

I realize that it is just a game and that what happens in the game has no effect on my actual life? Anger causes temporary stupidity..

Why rage out over something you have no control over.

Time, man. It's time lost. Rather unfairly at that.

Well, the rage is mostly because the only control I have over it is to cease doing the activities that are threatened by it. ie: Stop playing the game. But I don't want to stop playing! It's a fun game. I'm giving up enjoyment against my will, after having spent time snatched away. Sure, I could do something else. And I was outside today, in fact! Some gardened, actually. But maybe what I want to do is play Day-Z?

All in all, I'm not jumping off a bridge IRL. But I still can't help but feel cheated.

[kozmo 8]

Time, man. It's time lost. Rather unfairly at that.

Well, the rage is mostly because the only control I have over it is to cease doing the activities that are threatened by it. ie: Stop playing the game. But I don't want to stop playing! It's a fun game. I'm giving up enjoyment against my will, after having spent time snatched away. Sure, I could do something else. And I was outside today, in fact! Some gardened, actually. But maybe what I want to do is play Day-Z?

All in all, I'm not jumping off a bridge IRL. But I still can't help but feel cheated.

Its like an intense match of starcaft 2. Spend an hour in an epic fight only to die rather quickly.

[Inception. 9443]

I don't particularly avoid rage. I let all of the steam that I want.

But I just keep on playing.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

5 minutes? wat? It takes me 5 minutes just to find an empty soda can. What're you, Usain Bolt? It takes me the greater part of hours to get even geared enough to consider myself somewhat of a threat.

I guess he's looking for tents. A lot of the scumbag pvp snipers just drop tents near their favorite sniping spot and dupe their gear like cowards.

If I spawn in Kamenka, I can hit up to 11 deer stands, two hangers, and a control tower before I even get to Cherno. There are two bike spawns near the route so that trip can be pretty short if I'm lucky. If I want to go further north I can hit up 5-6 more deer stands. I usually only need two or three if I'm feeling greedy. I can also just go to Balota and 9 times out of 10 I walk away with an AKM. At the very least I end up with an AK. That's enough to defend myself against non-sniper and non-hacker players.

I can also hold my own against other players with just an Enfield or Winchester but I'd rather not have to. I'm not sure what gear you think you need but that's usually enough if I'm going to pvp hotspots.

There really is no point in heading too far north with the hacker situation. There is no point in gather anything rare either as it'll just rot away into the ground when some hacker sniper pops you and doesn't bother to loot your body.

[tarin4med@gmail.com 10]

I simply changed what I want to do in the game.

I simply run around with an axe, the best pack I can find, basic survival gear, map, compass, knife, matches, bandages, morphine and either drinks or water bottles.

I then run around emptying camps and destroying any vehicles I find.

If I die, everything is easily gotten again.

I will expect more and do more when the standalone comes out.

[Demon20 46]

Time, man. It's time lost. Rather unfairly at that.

Well, the rage is mostly because the only control I have over it is to cease doing the activities that are threatened by it. ie: Stop playing the game. But I don't want to stop playing! It's a fun game. I'm giving up enjoyment against my will, after having spent time snatched away. Sure, I could do something else. And I was outside today, in fact! Some gardened, actually. But maybe what I want to do is play Day-Z?

All in all, I'm not jumping off a bridge IRL. But I still can't help but feel cheated.

Look brother, you got this all wrong. It's not time lost. You haven't lost it. It's right there, where you left it. An experience. A moment. I know this is gonna sound all touchy feely, but you are playing for the wrong reason man. It's not the gear. Or the mission. It's the experience. Do you get pissed off and throw a book across the room when you don't like the ending? Do you rage quit in a movie theatre when the plot goes a different direction than you would like? Do you throw a CD out the window when a song sucks? Of course not. So don't do it with a game.

We are always hearing about how games are art and they are about the story or the experience, but we get pissed when we don't get our way because we think we are in control over our experience. We're not. It's a false argument. Even in a single player game you are just as much at the mercy of the story and programming of the game as you are at the mercy of the author of a book.

You wanna know how to handle wanting to rage out over some hacker, pvp, bug, server drop, etc? You don't rage out because you enjoy the journey. Cliche' as it is...it's the truth. Enjoy the ride brother. Even if you don't always like where you went.

The most fun I have had with DayZ has occured because of a hacker killing me (and my closest 20 total stranger friends). I laughed at the death, but instead of quiting, I stayed and started my new life...at night without the NVG's I had. On a server with a bunch of people who were all having to do the same thing because we had all just died. It was great. I am still on that life now 20 days later. But that first 3 hours was the best time. If I had not been killed with the rest of the server from a hacker, I wouldn't have had that chance.

It's all about perspective brother. And for now...yeah...you might have to lie to yourself and tell yourself it's cool to die at the hands of a hacker because you'll get another chance at a good time...or that it's not that big of a deal because you have enjoyed the time already spent (which you should have or you shouldn't play)...but soon enough you'll believe it and it'll change your perspected.

My motto in life is simple: Am I being shot at? Is my parachute fucked up? No? Then it's all good.

Oh...and it is just a game dude. :D

Out.

Edited August 24, 2012 by Demon20

[Stworca 87]

I bear trap cities and kill players who crawl with broken legs. It keeps me calm, and relaxed.

[kebman 213]

I'm a buddhist. I think that helps.

Edit:

Got camo suit, M107 with plenty of mags, loads of meds, blood packs, etc. Entered a remote town. Got shot by a ghillie clad dude when I came around a corner. He might have seen me earlier and done the right thing. He might be a hacker (how many get ghillie just like that anyway?) Either way, it doesn't matter.

However, if that is what enrages you, then I cant help you. If you try to tell yourself that "Hey, it's just starting over" when you know it's really a lie, then I can't help you. It has to be something you really do not care about because you're fascinated with the game, and not the equipment.

Sure, it took hours to get all that, but still I was just, like, "who cares?" It isn't like I've lost my life. All that has happened is that I've been teleported to the shore and lost my equpment. That isn't death. That's just starting over. In fact, the risk of death (i.e. the risk of teleportation) is the thing that makes the game so damn exciting. It's the reason I play the game, and the only thing that makes me rage are really Alt+F4-pussies.

On another server I have (had) an M14, an FN FAL, loads of mags, meds and supplies. If I wanted to I could probably check that out. Or... I can just find the nearest helicopter crash or hunt the sniper hill for bandits. It really doesn't matter, and the thing that really counts is the excitement you get out of interacting with zeds and especially other players. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you loose. And having the best equipment often isn't the deciding factor. The deciding factor is your strategy, since also "low tier" weapons can be quite powerful and effective against other players. You don't need a AS50 to kill other players. An old Dinner Bell can be plenty.

Edited August 24, 2012 by kebman