For the love of god please remove the knock out mechanic

[sunnz 24]

What i hate the most is how after you regain consciousness your character does that animation 3 times, pisses me off!

[arx 61]

KO is awesome part of the game

best part is to wait for the person you shot to wake up eventually, then finish them

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

Some girl with a pistol just knocked me out in a couple shots even though I out geared her badly. I still had like 10,000 blood but I had to wait there for 30 seconds while she took my own gun and shot me with it. Other times I have got into big fire fights where I went down to 800 blood but never got knocked out. This is game breaking and makes me want to quit the game because I know I'm always only a couple lucky shots away from getting knocked out and losing all my hard earned stuff. It takes the skill out of the game in my opinion I just want some consistency.

You realise how stupid you sound right?

[Jackftw 310]

Bullets hurt. Deal with it.

[Gruelius 16]

Some girl with a pistol just knocked me out in a couple shots even though I out geared her badly. I still had like 10,000 blood but I had to wait there for 30 seconds while she took my own gun and shot me with it. Other times I have got into big fire fights where I went down to 800 blood but never got knocked out. This is game breaking and makes me want to quit the game because I know I'm always only a couple lucky shots away from getting knocked out and losing all my hard earned stuff. It takes the skill out of the game in my opinion I just want some consistency.

knock out mechanic is great. dunno if realistic (havent researched it) but it makes it interesting. Gone is the mechanic where u can just run and gun, take xxx damage then heal. every bullet can be lethal or KO you then you are pretty much dead.

[Anton17 97]

KO is awesome part of the game

best part is to wait for the person you shot to wake up eventually, then finish them

Yeah, its super fun to watch them disappear when they wake up.

[Sticker704 121]

Simple. If I get shot, I'm not going to enjoy it.

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

Simple. If I get shot, I'm not going to enjoy it.

I blame Hollywood for this.

The shot guy who grimaces slightly, grits his teeth and gets on with it.

Anyone who watched "24 Hours in A&E" recently when they were in the Boston hospital, could see those guys weren't going anywhere and they'd 'only' been been shot with pistols.

[ripbabyg@hotmail.co.uk 125]

I blame Hollywood for this.

The shot guy who grimaces slightly, grits his teeth and gets on with it.

Anyone who watched "24 Hours in A&E" recently when they were in the Boston hospital, could see those guys weren't going anywhere and they'd 'only' been been shot with pistols.

24 Hours in A&E MOST BOSS PROGRAM EVER, No but seriously He's right.

[Boomstick (DayZ) 41]

Getting KOed helped me yesterday.

Was looting a Fire station ( Oddly almost 80% of my murders happen in fire stations...Why does it always happen in Fire stations? ) and a Zed one hit KOs me.

I ask my friend to come down and help me, so im waiting and the fire station door opens up and a guy is standing their..its not my friend. Shit! . He shoots the zombie and approaches me as if he was trying to loot me?...mistaking my lying on the ground as a sign i was dead.

At that point my friend comes around the corner behind the guy and fills him so full of lead you'd swear it was a Godfather movie.

Whats he point to all this? I don't know, just stop being a pussy, you win some you lose some.

I love the mechanic and removing it would be like removing bleeding...so bothersome when i have to STOP and bandage myself, no skillz involved in that! just remove that shit! ....

This inst a Care bears Christmas special its a zombie apocalypse.

Grow a pair or fuck off, simples.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Boomstick

[Cooperal 16]

Yeah, the guns that act like peashooters in most games, they don't actually ping off of you. They're quite capable of making your brain leak out of your skull.

Next you'll be wondering why you arn't consistently able to fall 20 feet unscathed. Because that's so easy with all the crap you're carrying.

[ripbabyg@hotmail.co.uk 125]

This forum has a fondness for the word fuck, or fucking, it really does, i fucking love it.

[Boomstick (DayZ) 41]

This forum has a fondness for the word fuck, or fucking, it really does, i fucking love it.

Fuck yeah.

[Bottlerocket 205]

Dear OP

Your tears were delicious - and the gun came in handy.

Yours sincerely,

A Badass Girl.

[alan.dougherty@ntlworld.com 24]

Some girl with a pistol just knocked me out in a couple shots even though I out geared her badly. I still had like 10,000 blood...

You where knocked out in a COUPLE of shots.. which means the first probably took you under the 9k, and the second knocked you out..

Crawling into Rog castle once, with only a Mackarov, I looked up on the stairwell, and there was a bushwookie.. stood out a bit due to castles not containing any trees.. but I got 4 mak shots off before he hit me once with his sniper..

I was knocked out, regained con.. bandaged myself.. noticed that I had 1 bandit kill.. and there was no body.. as they alt+f4'd as they died.. never did get to see what the rifle was.. it did hurt like hell tho..

Moral of the story.. you better get more than one round into your target, if you don't get that headshot straight off.. esp at close range..

Going close enough for someone to be deadly with a pistol, means you'd better be able to go full-auto, or get a pistol out..

Edited July 31, 2012 by Skinman

[Hawk24 94]

I love how retards are all like "OMG BULLETS HURT DEAL WITH IT" when OP clearly stated that he had 10k blood and went KO while he managed to get below 800 blood in firefights without going KO

Bloody morons

You where knocked out in a COUPLE of shots.. which means the first probably took you under the 9k, and the second knocked you out..

So a pistol dealing 800-1300 damage post-patch manages to take him down to 9k blood on the first shot?

I think your math is slightly off, I'm pretty sure 12.000-1.300 = 10.700

Edited July 31, 2012 by Hawk24

[NightRipper 284]

She took my own gun and shot me with it.

This is the exact point where you lost my sympathy and interest in your argument.

[alan.dougherty@ntlworld.com 24]

I love how retards are all like "OMG BULLETS HURT DEAL WITH IT" when OP clearly stated that he had 10k blood and went KO while he managed to get below 800 blood in firefights without going KO

Bloody morons

So a pistol dealing 800-1300 damage post-patch manages to take him down to 9k blood on the first shot?

I think your math is slightly off, I'm pretty sure 12.000-1.300 = 10.700

He never stated he had 12k blood at the start of the engagement.. only that he had 10k at some point in it.. you do the maths..

Also KO is random on hits, and more likely under 9k.. there has never been any offical word on the exact values of any of this.. just user testing..

Who's to say that 2 quick hits from 12k, that only take you to just above 9k still don't knock you out? Being 'better geared' does not make you 'insta win'.. this is not WoW or CoD.. first rule is.. don't put yourself in a position that you might get shot.. second rule is.. don't get shot

/edit.. oh and his version of a couple of shots may be more than a couple.. in the confusion of combat.. she might have emptied a full clip at him.. who knows?

Edited July 31, 2012 by Skinman

[Hawk24 94]

Also KO is random on hits

Which is pretty bad IMO considering that this is a MilSim, and not some MMO with random crits and Luck+ items

Being 'better geared' does not make you 'insta win'

No

But a pistol shouldn't give you superior fighting capabilities over say an assault rifle just because one bullet happened to be a random KO hit

oh and his version of a couple of shots may be more than a couple.. in the confusion of combat.. she might have emptied a full clip at him.. who knows?

Agree, completely different story

For example whenever my squadmate shoots a burst with his M249 SAW it sounds like a single shot for our squad

Guess it has something to do with desync

Edited July 31, 2012 by Hawk24

[hgilbert@iswest.com 5]

Some girl with a pistol just knocked me out in a couple shots even though I out geared her badly. I still had like 10,000 blood but I had to wait there for 30 seconds while she took my own gun and shot me with it. Other times I have got into big fire fights where I went down to 800 blood but never got knocked out. This is game breaking and makes me want to quit the game because I know I'm always only a couple lucky shots away from getting knocked out and losing all my hard earned stuff. It takes the skill out of the game in my opinion I just want some consistency.

I LOL'd. You probably got hit in the head by one of the paintballs our pistols fire now, Before the pistol nerf you probably would have just had your brains splattered on the opposite wall and "she'd" have had your beans anyway.

[alan.dougherty@ntlworld.com 24]

But a pistol shouldn't give you superior fighting capabilities over say an assault rifle just because one bullet happened to be a random KO hit

Yes it should, depending on the terrain and proximity..I'd rather have a makarov inside a building than a 50 cal..

Right weapon for the right situation.. we still don't know if the OP was bushwookie'n on a hill or cornered in a barn with a 50 cal. he was just 'better geared'..

oh and his version of a couple of shots may be more than a couple.. in the confusion of combat.. she might have emptied a full clip at him.. who knows?

Agree, completely different story

For example whenever my squadmate shoots a burst with his M249 SAW it sounds like a single shot for our squad

It is not a different story.. it's completley relevent to the OP's story of how he got knocked out..

Until there is offical words and figures about blood amounts and % chance to be KO'd, then this is a non issue.. and the OP should refer to my first post on tips..

'first rule is.. don't put yourself in a position that you might get shot.. second rule is.. don't get shot..'

All of the 'values' that we are discussing here will get tweeked, due to discussions like this, that Rocket / aka god, does & gets pointed to...

What irks me, is people insisting that their sniper rifle will own a pistol user at 20 ft.. and everybody agreeing with him, without knowing the details of the encounter.. was it inside a building? Open terrain? What was your 'better gear'? Where you being over confident, and running like a headless chicken with a flair?

We do not know enough about the OP's bitching to start saying that x or y needs to be buffed or nerfed...this is why the OP is getting flamed.... if the OP started a thread with ALL of the relevant information, then real gamers could sit and give positive feedback to what he did wrong..

Instead we have a shitstorm of 'you suck', 'suck my dick' & 'your gear is worth nothing, so I piss on it, infidel!'..

For the love of god, (I don't believe in god btw, so for not insulting true believers, I have not opted to use a capital 'g', I'm just using it as an expression of frustration), if the OP has a problem, tell us the full story, server, time, conditions on the server (day/night), guns/ammo/equipment used etc etc.. then maybe the people who descend on these threads to tear the OP apart, might have some fucking usefull advice..

Bitching here, for a fucking random bitch, with no info, to allow the fucking community to fucking help, will cause the fucking community, to turn the fucking thread, into, a fucking, charnel house..

It's not the community that's the problem here.. it's the fucking OP's..

/edit, to insert lots of fucking profanity, into the last few fucking sentences, just to keep up the fucking appearance, of this fucking community..ffs

Stop swearing.. it'll get you more jobs and women :)

Edited July 31, 2012 by Skinman

[Cooperal 16]

Which is pretty bad IMO considering that this is a MilSim, and not some MMO with random crits and Luck+ items

No

But a pistol shouldn't give you superior fighting capabilities over say an assault rifle just because one bullet happened to be a random KO hit

Agree, completely different story

For example whenever my squadmate shoots a burst with his M249 SAW it sounds like a single shot for our squad

Guess it has something to do with desync

Spoken like a veteran gamer. However my opinion differs. Although I agree that "random" and "simulation" shouldn't normally go together, I understand that from the developers perspective, it was probably the most efficient route to take in order to achieve their goals.

The reality is that no humans are the same. One person might be able to handle the same hit better than someone else from one day to the next. To emulate such an uncertain variable by others means (such as player-controlled stats or perks) would be more likely to detract from its immersive, realistic merits. As would forcing every shot to guarantee the same result on every target.

Creating complex sets of hitboxes to enhance attention to detail tends to come with its own set of issues. Clipping and player-to-player inconsistency to point out two big ones. Far too many issues that for all intents and purposes is far better off being substituted with the random factor.

On a final note, pistols are not to be underestimated. To still be combat-able after 2 shots to any vital location seems generous on the devs part. And if you get a headstart on someone by using a pistol, even if not enough to knock them off their feet, you're still probably able to follow bullet after bullet before your target can regain composure and take aim. Of course unfair, except no simulator is supposed to cater to people that wish for balance, they cater to what real-life research would reflect. The superior combat capabilities granted in the OPs example wasn't about the weapon that was used, as much as it was about who shot ANY gun first.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Cooperal

[ThePunisher (DayZ) 12]

Awesome story bro and to me seems like the game is working great as intended here. Someone got the jump on you and you died. it happens to all of us. This isn't an MMORPG, while having awesome gear is still a huge advantage on its own. The gear in no way should make you a god to everyone else. That's why this freaking mod is awesome. Everyone is still a threat no matter how bad ass you think you are.

[Falcrist 119]

Yes it should, depending on the terrain and proximity..I'd rather have a makarov inside a building than a 50 cal..

Right weapon for the right situation.. we still don't know if the OP was bushwookie'n on a hill or cornered in a barn with a 50 cal. he was just 'better geared'..

That's more about the optic on the gun than the gun itself.

Would you rather have a Makarov or an M1014? How about Makarov vs M14?

[Izziee 128]

That mechanic has never been changed, and there are no bugs in this game, therefor he must be lying.

Yeah, just like there's no bullshitters on this forum who exaggerate to make their case more dramatic. I'll certainly take the words of random whiner on the forum shouting out extremely unlikely circumstances and put it down to a bug. It's like this other post I saw of someone whining how a zombie knocked them out in 1 hit, then went on to explain how this one hit actually took off a little bit of health where he started to bleed to death and couldin'd find any bandages and some other shit to go with it. Yeah, "one" hit.

Totally believing that guy!