Kicking of Players for Clan members

[jockbhoy@blueyonder.co.uk 3]

'Oh no' date=' no I don't mean like that. I just want to play on it. I want YOU to pay for the server, so that I can play on it instead of you, while you pay for me to do this.'

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The "if you don't like it don't sign up for it" response is because DayZ is so popular at the moment and a lot of servers are running the mod, if the server owners were not signing up for the mod, a lot of the same players would probably be moaning about why is nobody supporting this mod and complaining they had bought ArmA and OA from Steam to play DayZ. You'll never change the opinion of someone with the "you pay we play" attitude.

[decap (DayZ) 27]

@Decap' date=' well could you buy us a car then so we all can use it! I mean that's basically the same thing!

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Sure if you want to share it with another 100+ users lol

[c.chris.perry@gmail.com 17]

wait... you can donate now?? Great' date=' that will make the game even more unrealistic. I hope it stays with that reserved slots and not with a bunch of extra weapons of some sort.

My opinion is just to have NO reserved slots at all or just a few for donators so the servers can be kept.

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What? How the hell does donating to a server owner change the game or make it unrealistic? If someone wants to donate to the server fund for a server that they like, why the hell not?

[colonel_black 0]

Bluethunder, donating to a server means jack all. It means that that player wants to help support the server. They get NO extra benefits.

[c.chris.perry@gmail.com 17]

@Decap' date=' well could you buy us a car then so we all can use it! I mean that's basically the same thing!

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Sure if you want to share it with another 100+ users lol

I'll share as long as you take all of the operating costs (So much use = tons of gas and repairs). And on top of that, if you really want to use your car, to go to work or something, and I'm in the middle of using it? Well, your shit out of luck, NO ONE ASKED YOU TO BUY A CAR, you just wanted to support this new driving craze that everyone got into. All you have to do to use YOUR car is wait. I can just go hop on the hundreds of other cars that people are loaning out, because I don't really care what kind of car I drive, but you obviously like this Subaru that you let me use right now. Why else would you buy it and customize it the way you want?

I didn't realize how great this analogy is.

[jockbhoy@blueyonder.co.uk 3]

LOL blackfuse...nothing like praising your own post!...although you do make a good analogy. What bugs me is not the guys like Rocket and the rest of the staff who are actually doing something to help resolve the problem, its the attitude of the "If you don't like it then don't sign up for it" crowd, some of whom probably just bought ArmA and OA from Steam last week but think they should have a say in how a sever someone else pays for should be run.

[c.chris.perry@gmail.com 17]

LOL blackfuse...nothing like praising your own post!...although you do make a good analogy. What bugs me is not the guys like Rocket and the rest of the staff who are actually doing something to help resolve the problem' date=' its the attitude of the "If you don't like it then don't sign up for it" crowd, some of whom probably just bought ArmA and OA from Steam last week but think they should have a say in how a sever someone else pays for should be run.

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I'm praising the dude that came up with the analogy, because it fits so fucking well haha. I just expanded on it.

[chickenbandit 2]

I will take a giant shit on your server....P.S. send tears

I love you Rocket :)

[Cooper42 0]

I absolutely love rocket's attitude and he is so totally right to keep a hardline on this.

The car analogy is wrong. Totally wrong. All it does is highlight that some people have clearly entered into this with the wrong attitude.

If I buy a truck full of books and build an extension to a public library as a gesture of good will with the intent to support something I enjoy and want to share with other people, I'd be a fucking arsehole to then shutdown the library, kick people out or yank books from their hands as and when I see fit...

When did people become so averse to sharing?

That rocket is taking the line that this is a group thing, for everyone, regardless, is incredibly admirable. That he is not bending to those who throw tantrums when they are asked to share makes me happy.

I will deal with long queues, waits to get in and even still donate to servers when / where I can as long as this game remains about sharing the world and experiment, not splitting it up and locking it down.

[c.chris.perry@gmail.com 17]

I should expand on my car analogy a bit. You want to drive around, but the only way to do so is to buy a car from this one dealership. And if you decide to start using your car, which has all the features and specifications you want (Server settings, location, etc), when other people want to use it, the dealership repos your car.

You are missing the point that everyone complaining about being kicked, is simply a user of our expensive machines. I currently respect the rules and vehemently refuse to kick anyone, because I respect that rocket has to make that decision. I sat there myself last night waiting for 10 minutes to get into my server after the update because we updated quickly, and everyone joined it. I could have easily kicked someone. The only reason I am still arguing in this thread is because I want reserve slots to be implemented in the future, and for some reasons, the non-paying users believe that someone paying for the hardware they play the game on, shouldn't be able to use that hardware if they are sitting in their slot.

[jockbhoy@blueyonder.co.uk 3]

The car analogy is wrong. Totally wrong. All it does is highlight that some people have clearly entered into this with the wrong attitude.

If I buy a truck full of books and build an extension to a public library as a gesture of good will with the intent to support something I enjoy and want to share with other people' date=' I'd be a fucking arsehole to then shutdown the library, kick people out or yank books from their hands as and when I see fit...

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Personally i thought it was a good analogy...but anyway

What if some snotty 12 year old then comes along to your Library and says i don't like the books you have, go out and buy comics and throw all the ones out i don't want, or someone else says we only want the library open on a Tuesday when we can get some free time....The point is not about sharing, its about others who want you to do what they want but don't want to contribute to the cost or the running of things. Every server owner has donated their server after reading the rules, we are aware of the sharing aspect or we wouldn't operate servers.

[johndstill@gmail.com 172]

Hey Guys,

I thought I'd post this here. I really really enjoy the mod. I run the 1st Cav and upon playing I decided to fool around and make a group my friend I could play in. I created the Chernarus Quarantine Force. What I expected to be just my friend and I has grown to more than 50 players, which has only helped the First Cav.

I really have an interest in hosting a server, so I bought another dedicated box 3 weeks ago and I have not heard back from any of the admins. I would be honored to host a server as I believe this mod will help set the stage for creating a fair base that game developers should live by and to also set standards for maturity of players everywhere.

However, the only thing that is a little frustrating is paying out of pocket for an empty server for so long :). I know everyone is very busy but if you could just get back to me when you can I would very much appriciate it.

Thanks

Johnny

[calranthe 8]

I hate to disagree with Rocket on this and I do appreciate all the work and effort.

A private server option (for those of us who want to have roleplay servers or clan servers, shiny happy servers) would solve a lot of your problems.

A private local hive version that ONLY connects to the server on the box has no real down sides.

Yes the admin of the private server could spawn stuff or do silly things BUT it is not connected to the public hive, not causing any lag, any resource usage.

YES keep the public server initiative going but put together a simple private server host dbase.

How can a private server make calls to or use up the public hive resources if it is not connected to it ?

IMPORTANT: Realise people before flaming me a private local hive means your char you play on that server is completely linked to that server, it does not transfer to a public server thus no danger of causing imbalance.

Reasons to do this:

1)All those people complaining about not being able to password or kick people from a private server by its nature would be able to.

2)All those wishing to run roleplay servers or scenario servers could do

3)The above two points mean less errors and harm to the prime hive.

Solve a lot of the issues people have.

The win win of this is all of those that love and wish to be on public servers will not have to deal with those that do not :)

[fsgt tyrsted[3/1] 0]

I hate to disagree with Rocket on this and I do appreciate all the work and effort.

A private server option (for those of us who want to have roleplay servers or clan servers' date=' shiny happy servers) would solve a lot of your problems.

A private local hive version that ONLY connects to the server on the box has no real down sides.

Yes the admin of the private server could spawn stuff or do silly things BUT it is not connected to the public hive, not causing any lag, any resource usage.

YES keep the public server initiative going but put together a simple private server host dbase.

How can a private server make calls to or use up the public hive resources if it is not connected to it ?

IMPORTANT: Realise people before flaming me a private local hive means your char you play on that server is completely linked to that server, it does not transfer to a public server thus no danger of causing imbalance.

Reasons to do this:

1)All those people complaining about not being able to password or kick people from a private server by its nature would be able to.

2)All those wishing to run roleplay servers or scenario servers could do

3)The above two points mean less errors and harm to the prime hive.

Solve a lot of the issues people have.

The win win of this is all of those that love and wish to be on public servers will not have to deal with those that do not :)

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Amen to this!

[Disgraced 1123]

I hate to disagree with Rocket on this and I do appreciate all the work and effort.

A private server option (for those of us who want to have roleplay servers or clan servers' date=' shiny happy servers) would solve a lot of your problems.

A private local hive version that ONLY connects to the server on the box has no real down sides.

Yes the admin of the private server could spawn stuff or do silly things BUT it is not connected to the public hive, not causing any lag, any resource usage.

YES keep the public server initiative going but put together a simple private server host dbase.

How can a private server make calls to or use up the public hive resources if it is not connected to it ?

IMPORTANT: Realise people before flaming me a private local hive means your char you play on that server is completely linked to that server, it does not transfer to a public server thus no danger of causing imbalance.

Reasons to do this:

1)All those people complaining about not being able to password or kick people from a private server by its nature would be able to.

2)All those wishing to run roleplay servers or scenario servers could do

3)The above two points mean less errors and harm to the prime hive.

Solve a lot of the issues people have.

The win win of this is all of those that love and wish to be on public servers will not have to deal with those that do not :)

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Well, my suspicious mind thinks that there are actually groups out there that DO want to gear up and then unleash themselves on other servers just to feel superior or whatever causes them to enjoy such behaviour.

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[Stinglock 1]

Solve a lot of the issues people have.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what it seems this suggestion is directly addressing a problem ONLY people wanting to run a private server are facing.

I'm a casual player, the last thing I'd want is to land on some custom/tweaked out server so it would have to be passworded 24/7.

I'm also strongly against the idea of dev time being spent on a community hive hosted setup until later on in the development phase, it seems like it's just extra work for mod that is still under a fair bit of development and something that only a portion of the current player base would notice or benefit from.

[calranthe 8]

By his own admission a lot of Rockets time is being taken up with issues this solution would address.

A lot of the false dbase calls and server resource is being taken up by servers this solution would solve.

Having worked with msql I believe (may be wrong) the creation of a box hive local host would actually be quite simple, not that simple but quite simple.

Private servers could be easily labeld and pw protected if need be, people could setup websites or forum posts advertising what there server is about.

[shinjuma@gmail.com 5]

Please note: this post is meant for the 5% of server owners who are being dicks' date=' not the 95% who are awesome.[/u']

Kicking of Players for Clan members:

This has been requested. While we do want to have some "reserved slots" this effectively requires either a lot of scripting or changes to the base game code.

It is something that is being worked on but it is not finished

Originally we trialed allowing servers to kick out players who had either donated money or were clan members of the owner, to allow space for someone else. Abuse of this became RAMPANT.

Server owners need to start wising up. We are only processing about 20 to 30% of server requests for hosting due to the massive volume of offers. The clan servers need to realize they cannot just do whatever they feel like because their actions affect the rest of the game and the servers.

Think about it, if we let server owners do this, what is stopping them from kicking someone who just killed them? What is to stop them kicking people for arbitrary reasons? Who polices this? The policy is in place because it makes sense.

We've been pretty lenient so far, but it is causing us a lot of work to deal with these people being difficult and it has delayed development. Please try and think how hard our job is to balance everything, and realize that if your clan/group is asking for exceptions then there are hundreds of other people probably asking too. Also realize that we have been burned several times, resulting in the need for costly and time consuming backups to be restored.

The current rules weren't picked out of nowhere, we know they aren't perfect. We're just trying to make the best of the situation and keep things going.

In short, their are only two reasons why you, as a server owner, should ban a player on your server. Those two reasons are: Malicious talk, and racism. You may not ban a user for stealing your loot, killing you, spying on you, etc.

I mentioned this in another thread but...

My friend was banned from US Hardcore 1 or 2 by the admin as soon as he logged in. It was our first time on the server yet he claimed that he banned my friend, EL BANDITO, for aborting during PVP. This is funny because admins should only ban for 2 reasons as quoted by Rocket:

"In short, their are only two reasons why you, as a server owner, should ban a player on your server. Those two reasons are: Malicious talk, and racism. You may not ban a user for stealing your loot, killing you, spying on you, etc."

Also, we had never been this server. He banned him by name, not unique ID. This is frustrating b/c other players can use the same name.

Someone slap an admin for me?

Edit: I apologize if I posted this in the wrong area.

[hatesauce 99]

In short' date=' their are only two reasons why you, as a server owner, should ban a player on your server. Those two reasons are: Malicious talk, and racism. You may not ban a user for stealing your loot, killing you, spying on you, etc. [/b']

So swearing can get us banned but cheating cant? @_@ I don't think server owners should have the power to ban users for swearing when a lot of them do it themselves, in fact, server owners should have to file a report to get users blocked at all. I can see abuse of power being a total game breaker. Some server owners like power and ban people for the sake of banning - simply because they think its cool and that they are better than everyone else.

[colonel_black 0]

Hatesauce, don't bend the rules. You do not need the unwritten rules written.

Plus upon request of the Admin, you should stop swearing.

[alderman 5]

I have a simple recommendation, these are snippets of the ArmA2 Server Use Policy used by Military Gaming. Obviously a few wording tweaks would be in order, but I think they could serve well for DayZ. Our full list of rules for our servers (not applicable to our hopefully future DayZ server) his here

http://www.militarygaming.org/arma2/rules

Number 2 I think is a fair one for server owners... its unprofessional and disrespectful to advertise and market on others servers (aka their property so to speak).

§1) Mutual Respect & Conduct

Abusive, racist, sexist, homophobic comments (or any other type of bigotry), personal attacks and name calling are not allowed. This also includes making statements/comments which attack and/or question the moderators or administrators in regard to their resolutions on the actions of users.

§2) Advertising/Recruiting

Advertisements of events for gaming units/groups, leagues, or commercial products and services in any situation are not allowed.

§3) Squad Avatar's & Images

Inappropriate Squad XML images that are sexually, racially, ethnically targeted are prohibited. Any images that clearly violate any policy/rule contained in the rules herein are also prohibited.

§4) Spam Messages

We deem spam as making a verbal or text communication that has no real worth, is irrelevant, useless and offers nothing to a discussion AND interferes with other players. This means that users shall use the appropriate chat and communication channels (as applicable).

§5) Circumventing Bans & Harassment

Individuals circumventing any ban/restriction are considered to be engaged in harassment of our organization and/or its members.

[jockbhoy@blueyonder.co.uk 3]

In short' date=' their are only two reasons why you, as a server owner, should ban a player on your server. Those two reasons are: Malicious talk, and racism. You may not ban a user for stealing your loot, killing you, spying on you, etc. [/b']

So swearing can get us banned but cheating cant? @_@ I don't think server owners should have the power to ban users for swearing when a lot of them do it themselves, in fact, server owners should have to file a report to get users blocked at all. I can see abuse of power being a total game breaker. Some server owners like power and ban people for the sake of banning - simply because they think its cool and that they are better than everyone else.

Swearing probably wont get you banned just kicked initially, but requests from the Admin to stop doing it might. Our server is set to give 3 warnings for foul or racist language, then a kick, if you rejoin and continue and any of the admins see a player doing this he will be banned as per the guidelines of signing up to DayZ. I dont know what servers you are playing on, but practically all the servers i've joined, I have never seen any abuse of position by any admins. In fact just the opposite, most admins have been friendly and helpful, giving advice to new players etc.

[c.chris.perry@gmail.com 17]

In short' date=' their are only two reasons why you, as a server owner, should ban a player on your server. Those two reasons are: Malicious talk, and racism. You may not ban a user for stealing your loot, killing you, spying on you, etc. [/b']

So swearing can get us banned but cheating cant? @_@ I don't think server owners should have the power to ban users for swearing when a lot of them do it themselves, in fact, server owners should have to file a report to get users blocked at all. I can see abuse of power being a total game breaker. Some server owners like power and ban people for the sake of banning - simply because they think its cool and that they are better than everyone else.

I need to get permission from someone to ban someone from MY server for doing something that I would warn you against in the MOTD? Every single one of the reasons we ban on our server is on the MOTD, and repeated every 10 minutes for the first hour you are connected. If you break one of those rules(excessive racism/abusive talk, or disconnect death dodging), I'm banning you instantly.

[iexus 6]

We just had an experience where we were kicked from a server by an admin because we killed him and a friend. EU17.

He made a thread about it but it might have been been more relevant here. http://www.dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6053

Also the server seemed broken whenever we loaded it was sunny and daytime whilst others who'd been on a couple of hours were in night time.

[hatesauce 99]

I apologize for not expressing myself in the previous post. While I completely agree that users being excessively abusive and racist, hacking, death dodging should be dealt with swiftly, my concern is admins abusing power such in the case of iexus (apparently). MOST if not 99% of admins are probably reasonable and don't care about a swear here or there and play the game fairly as their user counterparts. However, there are always bad apples Admin and User alike is all I am saying and I question how we handle this in the community?