Don't Use BattlEye

[Hazmat Harry 0]

BattlEye obviously doesn't work. Hackers are swarming official right now. It would be very nice if Bohemia actually implemented a working anti-cheat instead of letting hackers ruin the gameplay.

[Sid Debian 134]

7 hours ago, Hazmat Harry said:

BattlEye obviously doesn't work. Hackers are swarming official right now. It would be very nice if Bohemia actually implemented a working anti-cheat instead of letting hackers ruin the gameplay.

You have a small mistake. battleye (BE) is not BI product, so BE issues isn't related to the BI at all, but I think BI shall consider to changing antcht system coz BE has only one good stuff - is banning fine players.

BE is reached it's end same as PunkBuster and keep data collecting software with permission to send any file to company that's do escaply nothing for game protection (and possible data selling and black marketing of data) - i think that's wrong idea.

[Girth Brooks 570]

Yeah, Bohemia doesn't do that, and are way to cheap for a real, working anti-cheat. This has been going on for 10 years, they can't and also won't bother to fix the cheating. It's a battle they can't win and they refuse to address it. Sad.

[OrLoK 16185]

1 hour ago, Girth Brooks said:

Yeah, Bohemia doesn't do that, and are way to cheap for a real, working anti-cheat. This has been going on for 10 years, they can't and also won't bother to fix the cheating. It's a battle they can't win and they refuse to address it. Sad.

not true.

[Girth Brooks 570]

Weird how the exact same problems exist across all the BI games that use battleye. Must not mean anything. Silly me.

[nemorus 260]

I heard that BI uses outdated BEs software - which is weird. Its probably some kind of deal with a lot of money to lose, but losing image may not be worth it.

[dayzplayer1234 11]

14 hours ago, OrLoK said:

not true.

not true? so 10 years and has there even been a mention from the dayz dev team about tackling the cheater problem?

[OrLoK 16185]

yes.

Edit: Over the years theres been loads of talk about how/what/why of dealing with cheating.

The main upshot was/is that its an insurmountable problem while people continue to buy cheats. Its a really good money making business and until folk stop paying, other teams wont stop creating cheats.

In DAYZ theres BE and Vac (afaik). Two very "big" names in the AC world.

The main issue with cheats in DAYZ is that they have a bigger knoock on effect to the user compared to, say, in a Counter Strike or Battlefeild game where you can respawn with your stuff. A cheat in DAYZ can knock out hours or days of "work".

Its no something thats ignored by the team and is a real concern and has beeen throughout the development of the game.

However, all that can be done *is* being done even if it may seem that is not from your or others perspective.

Edited November 11 by OrLoK
hadda go afk halfway through typing.

[dayzplayer1234 11]

On 11/11/2024 at 9:30 PM, OrLoK said:

yes.

Edit: Over the years theres been loads of talk about how/what/why of dealing with cheating.

The main upshot was/is that its an insurmountable problem while people continue to buy cheats. Its a really good money making business and until folk stop paying, other teams wont stop creating cheats.

In DAYZ theres BE and Vac (afaik). Two very "big" names in the AC world.

The main issue with cheats in DAYZ is that they have a bigger knoock on effect to the user compared to, say, in a Counter Strike or Battlefeild game where you can respawn with your stuff. A cheat in DAYZ can knock out hours or days of "work".

Its no something thats ignored by the team and is a real concern and has beeen throughout the development of the game.

However, all that can be done *is* being done even if it may seem that is not from your or others perspective.

All that *is* being done *is clearly not enough*...glad that the dev team or atleast you understand how that impacts the game. currently its nearly impossible to put in any signifigant time on offical servers without being REKT by cheaters (some being more obvious than others). 

Since you are soo kind to provide some feedback on cheating matter....what about a few questions about the development team itself and their overall performance at this point? 

To me it seems the development has stalled  and seems *half-assed*  at best. Are we going to see some actual game improving updates soon? Or is the dayz marketing team only ones putting in effort to generate quick buck? Is there a possibility of development team being more transparent on what is being worked on and actual things that we can anticipate instead of building *hype*?  
BTW how many people are actualy working on DAYZ ?

Edit: A years worth of development and we get a reworked map from arma ( i get it its good to use available resources ) but a whole year to rework a map and add some mechanics that exist in already free mod? any comments on this?
 
I have goten my moneys worth from this game at this point over the years...but im starting to be really dissapaointed about the development of it. Not exactly what i was hoping for when originaly buying into the idea of dayz. I get it ...things take time to develope and such....but some updates are just as said before ""game is not offering enough compelling survival mechanics for us"  and they substitute that byplaying around with dials on already exsisting things ( and that is done poorly aswel). 

thanks.

Edited November 13 by dayzplayer1234

[Riddick_2K 174]

On 11/11/2024 at 8:30 PM, OrLoK said:

However, all that can be done *is* being done even if it may seem that is not from your or others perspective.

 

I do NOT agree.
I am (after DayZ much less) a Battlefield player, I have all the titles (except BFVietnam and BF2042) One of the best features of the "old" BF was the ability to wander around the map as a ghost. You don't know how many ghitchers I've screenshotted and reported with that system. Now... I understand (and I'm the first to say it) that given the particularity of the game it is not possible to implement this feature for all players, but at least the video of who killed you and "how" they killed you would help everyone enormously. And the names should not remain "hidden" (it almost seems done on purpose to "protect" those who cheat).
I understand the particular "atmosphere" of the game, but the plague of cheats is much more serious than some "emotional" characteristics of the game: players should always be recognizable in all aspects of the game.
And don't talk to me about "privacy", when nothing is done against streamers who use unaware players to make money! (this, for me, is another "plague" of all games... at the moment)
And given the particularity of the game, it would be necessary for the company to keep a pool of people dedicated to personally verifying player reports, and also to personally follow (in "hidden flight": I had a modded server, I know how the tools for administrators work) the most reported players.
I know that this, by itself, would not completely clean up the game, but it would already be a good start... a demonstration of good will by the company, and a bit of "psychological terrorism" on those who intend to use cheats... always feeling "potentially spied on" would be a good deterrent.
And don't tell me that "it's not possible" to do it... technically you just need to "want it".
But "maybe" this is exactly what is missing: the real will to seriously fight dishonest players.
They "rest" on the rhetoric (partly, unfortunately, true) that "all games are full of cheats" ... they "delegate" the problem to a third-party company (whatever it is, whatever it does, the important thing is to be able to demonstrate that they "did something"), like many other companies ... and the rest (the plague of scams) is "a problem addressed" (and off the "check" in the list of things to do.
For me this is NOT "doing everything possible".
And don't talk to me about "costs".
In a video game, a "serious battle against cheats" is a must ... more than new hats, new weapons and new maps ...even more so in one like DayZ where, as has rightly been pointed out, a kill has a much more "serious" impact than in many other "classic FPS", where your equipment acquired with progress is found at every rebirth: with DayZ you start from scratch every time. But I think we all know this well, at least those who follow this forum obviously.

[OrLoK 16185]

you dont have to agree but that doesnt make your opinion fact.

Again, until folk stop buying hacks then cheating *will* exist.

[Sid Debian 134]

So as a fact you can simply do only few things:

1. Don't purchase products with Battleye.

2. (If you're already purchased the game) Accept it and welcome the official servers with cheaters on it.

3. Try to find community server(s), but it can gone at any second.

4. Throw your PC to the window and as it was in The Wall cut a hand over the window broken glass and loudly say: "Next time f****rs!".

Wel for me it's sounds like a plan xD

[nemorus 260]

1 hour ago, OrLoK said:

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Again, until folk stop buying hacks then cheating *will* exist.

People are angry because cheats are not countered well enough. I understand that BIs paying other companies for protection - BE or Valve are not providing charity services, am i right? And yet day after day - for who knows how long already - people are reporting same problem... Security software is not catching cheaters when its supposed to. Its usually too late. To the point that people lost their hopes and treat these security services with contempt. It's hard to blame them. We all have heard about new ai which can effectively deal with cheating issue. Because it can quickly learn and adapt. And what's BI saying about it? Nothing. There's absolutely no communication, no announcements, not a word. Total ignorance. Cheating market is getting bigger and more stable because its countered with outdated technology. Game's not only losing face but also money. Why paying for services which are not sufficient? Why indeed...

[OrLoK 16185]

The waymany Anti cheatengines work is *not* to Ban instantly the moment a cheat is detected, this stops (do a degree) the hack writers ability to circumvent the anti cheat engine. Obviously this is very simplified.

The upshot is that a cheater has more of an affect on a DAYZ player than, say, a Battlefield Player. who cna quickly respawn and get back to where they were before.

Anti cheat operates in a myriad of ways and has been communicated in depth many, may times before, including on these very forums.

What I *will* do is let the devs know that a refresher post might be of use as we do have a lot of new players who wont have seen the older threads.

However, to say that theres's no info at all is not correct. We're having the conversation now here and ive personally  ben part of discussions elsewhere.

Ill mention it but cant gurantee if and when anything will get posted.

[dayzplayer1234 11]

8 hours ago, OrLoK said:

The waymany Anti cheatengines work is *not* to Ban instantly the moment a cheat is detected, this stops (do a degree) the hack writers ability to circumvent the anti cheat engine. Obviously this is very simplified.

The upshot is that a cheater has more of an affect on a DAYZ player than, say, a Battlefield Player. who cna quickly respawn and get back to where they were before.

Anti cheat operates in a myriad of ways and has been communicated in depth many, may times before, including on these very forums.

What I *will* do is let the devs know that a refresher post might be of use as we do have a lot of new players who wont have seen the older threads.

However, to say that theres's no info at all is not correct. We're having the conversation now here and ive personally  ben part of discussions elsewhere.

Ill mention it but cant gurantee if and when anything will get posted.

Well...there used to be development updates under news and annouments...now its just full of spotlight and event crap....u want us to dig up 5 year old posts where some mention of cheating was made?

[Sid Debian 134]

Yeah battleye.com:

"Protection

Fully proactive kernel-based protection system and fast dynamic and permanent scanning of the player’s system using specific and heuristic/generic detection routines for maximum effectiveness.

 

On-The-Fly

BE is using innovative, sophisticated detection routines, such as entirely dynamic on-the-fly scanning being controlled and altered by the backend making it impossible for hackers to develop permanent bypasses for specific client files.

 

Global Bans

Secure global banning system that can be SteamID/account-based and hence provides the same or an even higher level of effectiveness as/than e.g. VAC bans, because (unlike with VAC) Steam-global bans are possible (performance: over 150,000 bans in 15 months)."

Same site, section About:

"How Does It All Work?

 

To ensure that you can focus on the important parts of game development without having to directly deal with cheating yourself, we made sure that BattlEye is very easy to integrate into any game, making it ready for release within days. BattlEye has no special system requirements: Being very user-friendly, BE needs only little resources regarding CPU, RAM and network bandwidth. The player simply will not notice that BattlEye is running in the background. Integration happens on the server- and client-side part of the game, ensuring that cheaters can be effectively removed from any game session. BattlEye is distributed together with the other game files, so a manual download from our website is generally not required.

 

BattlEye at its core is a proactive protection system which puts a strong shield around the entire game. That way most hacking is completely blocked to begin with. This system is constantly evolving to cover new forms of attacking games. The remaining hacking is covered by an intelligent dynamic on-the-fly detection system, ensuring that unrelenting cheaters are globally banned quickly. BattlEye thereby does its entire job independently without requiring any input from the developer’s side."

 

You know, your shield ***ked up, and you don't see how. You'd though that is used to work, won't work now... xD

[OrLoK 16185]

15 hours ago, dayzplayer1234 said:

Well...there used to be development updates under news and annouments...now its just full of spotlight and event crap....u want us to dig up 5 year old posts where some mention of cheating was made?

I dont *want* you to do anything. Im just pointing out  this is not a new issue and the info is available be it "old" or not.

Regardless its unresolveable whilst theres money to be made from uncrupulous people selling cheats and the gullible buying them.

[nemorus 260]

Justifying game's infirmity... Well whatever... It's part of "DayZ" soul in the end, its foundation - thats made from jelly and protected with short picket fence.

[dayzplayer1234 11]

4 hours ago, OrLoK said:

I dont *want* you to do anything. Im just pointing out  this is not a new issue and the info is available be it "old" or not.

Regardless its unresolveable whilst theres money to be made from uncrupulous people selling cheats and the gullible buying them.

Posts from several years ago and nothing is really still done about it...OK.

PS: You bring up the monetary value of cheats alot...probly how dayz funds its non active development team xD

[Parazight 1599]

Stopping cheaters completely is 100% unrealistic.   There's no way that BI should be expected to win the battle on this front.  Billion dollar companies have been taken hostage by bad actors across the globe.  All run by state sponsored organizations.  BI cannot take on all of Iran, Russia and China, among others, to put an end to such an insignificant thing like cheating in online gaming.

We can hope for advancements in AI cheater detection and IP bannings, but unless you can provide incentive for incels to not purchase cheating tools, then it will always exist.  In any game.  Go reread what Orlok wrote.

Edited November 17 by Parazight

[Sid Debian 134]

2 minutes ago, Parazight said:

Stopping cheaters completely is 100% unrealistic.   There's no way that BI should be expected to win the battle on this front.  Billion dollar companies have been taken hostage by bad actors across the globe.  All run by state sponsored organizations.  BI cannot take on all of Iran, Russia and China, among others, to put an end to such an insignificant thing like cheating in online gaming.

We can hope for advancements in AI cheater detection and IP bannings, but unless you can provide incentive for incels to not purchase cheating tools, then it will always exist.  In any game.  Go reread what Orlok wrote.

Carbon unit, will you bet that non of EU, amd US don't use cheats? And if you willing to say no - I've got some bad news for you you are wrong. Cheating is not related to country, political system or whatever crp else except the himan mind.

Reason for creating cheats - coz developers of anticheat and devs of the game gave such ability, remember the base of sofware development: if application contains at least 1 function, it may constains at least one point for breaking conditions; one point for code corruption and some more bugs that's didn't showed up coz they're required some special conditions.

Reason for using cheats - depend on human that's use it, he/she (to hell for me all cheaters are it) it wanna show it's self as powerful idit, or want to heck the system coz it had been found the bug that giving ability for cheating or duping whatever it calls, simply say that child has not enough attention while it was young and that's all about.

And again if you don't reached it - county/race of human not matters, if human is peace of nothing he'll cheat, if human is a human - he/she won't wait when devs spot that isse and will try to submit a ticket ASAP. That's ghe basement of the question and it's not required using nazi (for segregation based on nationality, eyes width or/with skin color).

[dayzplayer1234 11]

10 minutes ago, Parazight said:

Stopping cheaters completely is 100% unrealistic.   There's no way that BI should be expected to win the battle on this front.  Billion dollar companies have been taken hostage by bad actors across the globe.  All run by state sponsored organizations.  BI cannot take on all of Iran, Russia and China, among others, to put an end to such an insignificant thing like cheating in online gaming.

We can hope for advancements in AI cheater detection and IP bannings, but unless you can provide incentive for incels to not purchase cheating tools, then it will always exist.  In any game.  Go reread what Orlok wrote.

People are not asking or expect the cheating to stop 100% which sure would be nice but understandably impossible...Its more about that nothing really is mentioned or done (expect posts from years ago that orlok points out) by the dayz so called team expect sourcing the anticheat to battle eye ( and be done with it ). cheaters are geting worse. Besides  development of dayz looks like a dissapointment at this stage. I dont want the game company to take on the entire china or whatever. I expect them to develope and improve their game and not just do the bare minimum to keep people interested.