How the petrol stations have an unlimited supply of fuel

[lewtaedoung06 1]

As the top title suggests we need an explanation as to how the petrol stations have an unlimited supply of fuel. The motorised vehicles make absolutely zero sense this is an apocalyptic landscape with no fuel trucks resupplying the stations how can it be that vehicles are even viable here? This latest 1.19 fix of vehicles will just make this a cheap Chinese knock-off of GTA you should have removed vehicles and spent all this time fixing the stairs in the police stations at least the outcome would have made sense.

[lemmac 101]

You can say the same for clean water, packaged food and drink, medical supplies, clothes, guns, bullets, grenades, gas bombs, trees, bushes, fruit, tools, lighters, batteries, cows, chickens, deer, bears, goats, wolves, crashed helicopters, infected and fresh survivors.

 

In fact the game should only be playable once and when your character dies that's it, permadeath. After all, this is an apocalyptic landscape, there should be no resupply of anything...

[lemmac 101]

Or you can accept the simple explanation that every time you die and respawn as a freshie, it's on day one of the apocalypse again, like groundhog day. Meaning that car that you had in a previous life is still there to be found, the fuel you used driving it is back in the jerrycan in a shed, the cow you slaughtered to eat is back in the field and the tree you chopped down for fuel to cook it is still standing, the gun you shot it with still on the counter and the bullets you loaded it with still in the pocket of that old coat you found on that dead person and that zombie that killed you last time is still there waiting to do it again.

Edited November 3, 2022 by lemmac

[etwas 138]

44 minutes ago, lemmac said:

You can say the same for clean water, packaged food and drink, medical supplies, clothes, guns, bullets, grenades, gas bombs, trees, bushes, fruit, tools, lighters, batteries, cows, chickens, deer, bears, goats, wolves, crashed helicopters, infected and fresh survivors..

no, u cant say that. cos everything u mentioned is actually limited (apart from water from the wells), while the gasstations have an unlimited source of fuel.

so yea, i would like to see some limits there too. the medical attention mod allows you for example to completly disable wells and gasstations or make them just randomly give fuel/water (simple to configure with a percent change per well/gasstation).

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

Gee, for a minute I thought this was just a video game

[DefectiveWater 536]

1 hour ago, etwas said:

no, u cant say that. cos everything u mentioned is actually limited

Nope, everything is unlimited in DayZ. You pickup one gun, another one spawns in. You pickup one jar of honey, another one spawns in. You load up your mags and more ammo spawns in the world. You cut up a tree, it grows back on server restart.

Although, they could possibly make gas stations have a fixed amount of fuel that slowly fills up on its own over a period of time.
But why bother with the development of that, this is in my opinion one of the least important "issues" with the game. Maybe in "DayZ 2" or whatever, but for now it sits at the bottom of the list for me to be honest.

Edited November 3, 2022 by DefectiveWater

[etwas 138]

23 minutes ago, DefectiveWater said:

Nope, everything is unlimited in DayZ. You pickup one gun, another one spawns in. You pickup one jar of honey, another one spawns in. You load up your mags and more ammo spawns in the world. You cut up a tree, it grows back on server restart.

Although, they could possibly make gas stations have a fixed amount of fuel that slowly fills up on its own over a period of time.
But why bother with the development of that, this is in my opinion one of the least important "issues" with the game. Maybe in "DayZ 2" or whatever, but for now it sits at the bottom of the list for me to be honest.

sure... those items respawn, but not in front of u where u picked them up. and its limited just by the amount it spawns. gasoline is a guaranteed endless resource, water from wells is.

oh yes, nothing game breaking or high priority dev issue.... just a suggestion from someone i commented on.

42 minutes ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

Gee, for a minute I thought this was just a video game

?

Edited November 3, 2022 by etwas

[McWendy 675]

I remember a period when wells werent all functional. It was intendid. Man did that create a shit storm.....

Some things we should just accept are that way for gameplay sake. Making it all too realistic creates a lot of things that need to be reworked. 

I agree with @DefectiveWater there are greater concerns and bigger priorities to focus on first.

For instance; we drove a olga 25 meters after that it was ruined. I couldnt care about infinite gas at that point.

[DefectiveWater 536]

36 minutes ago, etwas said:

gasoline is a guaranteed endless resource, water from wells is.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see it being limited in some way but first I want to see cars working properly and not break after a 5 km/h crash.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

10 hours ago, etwas said:

 

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Which part confused you? 

[etwas 138]

26 minutes ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

Which part confused you? 

its just the usual ignorance and sarcasm i guess.

if u dont like the topic, just dont comment on it. geez.

u guys make more out of this topic than OP and me together.

just because this is not the 894th discussion about vehicles, doesnt mean people cant suggest other things for the game.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

9 hours ago, etwas said:

its just the usual ignorance and sarcasm i guess.

if u dont like the topic, just dont comment on it. geez.

u guys make more out of this topic than OP and me together.

just because this is not the 894th discussion about vehicles, doesnt mean people cant suggest other things for the game.

No, but it is a forum and I'll comment on whatever I like. We're talking about believability in a world of roaming infected where you can carry a petrol generator in your pants, sprint up a mountain, cook a chicken in 20 seconds, etc etc

Edit... I did a little research. The underground tanks that store the petrol generally hold around 22000 litres. There's one tank to every two pumps. So, let's say the petrol station has four pumps. That's 44000 litres of fuel. Not sure how much the Jerry cans hold, but let's say for arguments sake 10 litres. So that's approx 4400 full jerry cans. Just at one garage. But, again for arguments sake, you manage to collect all 4400 cans. What then? Does the fuel run out for ever on that server? Or maybe let's say, for arguments sake, every reset. So every six hours. That would mean you'd have to fill 12 Jerry cans per minute. If the tank were half full, only six cans per minute. How long does it take to fill a Jerry can? If there were six players at a garage all filling Jerry cans from a half full tank they'd have to each fill one per minute. This is, of course, assuming they had 4400 Jerry cans between them. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by DayzDayzFanboy

[McWendy 675]

If you dont like comments on your topic, just dont post.

13 hours ago, etwas said:

its just the usual ignorance and sarcasm i guess.

if u dont like the topic, just dont comment it geez

So only people who agree with you can post? 

Oké I agree, but with @DefectiveWater not you. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by McWendy

[etwas 138]

7 hours ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

No, but it is a forum and I'll comment on whatever I like. We're talking about believability in a world of roaming infected where you can carry a petrol generator in your pants, sprint up a mountain, cook a chicken in 20 seconds, etc etc

Edit... I did a little research. The underground tanks that store the petrol generally hold around 22000 litres. There's one tank to every two pumps. So, let's say the petrol station has four pumps. That's 44000 litres of fuel. Not sure how much the Jerry cans hold, but let's say for arguments sake 10 litres. So that's approx 4400 full jerry cans. Just at one garage. But, again for arguments sake, you manage to collect all 4400 cans. What then? Does the fuel run out for ever on that server? Or maybe let's say, for arguments sake, every reset. So every six hours. That would mean you'd have to fill 12 Jerry cans per minute. If the tank were half full, only six cans per minute. How long does it take to fill a Jerry can? If there were six players at a garage all filling Jerry cans from a half full tank they'd have to each fill one per minute. This is, of course, assuming they had 4400 Jerry cans between them. 

noone will stop u from commenting whatever u like, i just dont see the value of your first comment - specially now with your 2nd comment: i thought this is just a video game!? come on!

1 hour ago, McWendy said:

If you dont like comments on your topic, just dont post.

So only people who agree with you can post? 

Oké I agree, but with @DefectiveWater not you. 

please, its not about agreeing with anything. just dont derail the topic with the stupid vehicles, just because u have no interest in this thngs and have other concerns with the games.

 

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

50 minutes ago, etwas said:

noone will stop u from commenting whatever u like, i just dont see the value of your first comment - specially now with your 2nd comment: i thought this is just a video game!? come on!

please, its not about agreeing with anything. just dont derail the topic with the stupid vehicles, just because u have no interest in this thngs and have other concerns with the games.

 

But you're advocating a change to the game that makes no sense. So, we're discussing it's viability. You've simply taken offense because someone disagreed with you. To explain the value of my initial comment, the op was pointing out how ridiculous it was that there is unlimited fuel. I'm pointing out its simply a game. If you made it completely accurate to real life in every aspect of would become pretty tedious. Games have mechanics in the moon order to drive the game play. And I don't think anyone is trying to derail the thread with cars, though cars are quite relevant as they need the fuel. 

Anyway, if you are going to limit the fuel, how exactly do you do that? 

 

[etwas 138]

12 minutes ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

But you're advocating a change to the game that makes no sense. So, we're discussing it's viability. You've simply taken offense because someone disagreed with you. To explain the value of my initial comment, the op was pointing out how ridiculous it was that there is unlimited fuel. I'm pointing out its simply a game. If you made it completely accurate to real life in every aspect of would become pretty tedious. Games have mechanics in the moon order to drive the game play. And I don't think anyone is trying to derail the thread with cars, though cars are quite relevant as they need the fuel. 

Anyway, if you are going to limit the fuel, how exactly do you do that? 

 

disagree with what? that there are bigger concerns with the game? i dont disagree with that. im taken offense cos this topic gets derailed with vehicle issues. if that is the counter argument, we can close the feedback tracker and concentrate on vehicle updates only.

if there was a thread 2 months ago about inertia or needed changes to the loot economy (random damage values), the replies would probably be the same like in this thread.

i dunno how i would do that. im just saying that there is an endless resource of gasoline and water in a survival GAME and it just doesnt feel right to me. thats it. and i really dont care much if this is gonna be changed at some point or doesnt, but if they find a better way with fuel and water sources, im fine with it.

any extra challenge in the game i appreciate. as i said, with the medical attention mod gasstation and waterwells can be configured by server owners; giving them a % chance to give fuel/water only or disable em at all. some servers that run this mod might even disable all wells outside the spawnarea.

[Parazight 1599]

It’s day zero. There’s lots of gasoline left. The refined gasoline that existed as the apocalypse started hasn’t separated at all yet. 
 

According to my story.  This is MY story, after all, the dayz website said so. 
 

Literally open to any narrative. By design. 

[DefectiveWater 536]

7 hours ago, etwas said:

please, its not about agreeing with anything. just dont derail the topic with the stupid vehicles,

I agree with you but cars need to be much more stable and less fragile before devs start adding limited fuel sources. Otherwise the time required to assemble them + finding fuel that is now limited (question is how much limited) makes them not worth the time invested.

Limiting fuel sources directly affects vehicles as a whole because they are now made less accessible.

5 hours ago, Parazight said:

It’s day zero.

Day zero of the apocalypse or day zero of our story (the spawning point, which could in theory be a day after or years after the start of the apocalypse)?

Edited November 4, 2022 by DefectiveWater

[Parazight 1599]

1 hour ago, DefectiveWater said:

Day zero of the apocalypse or day zero of our story (the spawning point, which could in theory be a day after or years after the start of the apocalypse)?

Day zero of the infected apocalypse.  Or whichever one ensures that I don't run out of gas.

 

But seriously, the petrol problem is easily solvable.  There are a few options.  Spawn more Jerrycans.  Siphon it out of car wrecks.  Dynamic events.  Whatever it takes.   We need fuel to drive cars.  It just can't be finite.  There are options with modded servers, but unlimited fuel for official servers is completely reasonable. 

Imagine years after the fall of society when all gasoline is unusable.  Is that really a video game you want to play in?   Gross.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

6 hours ago, Parazight said:

Day zero of the infected apocalypse.  Or whichever one ensures that I don't run out of gas.

 

But seriously, the petrol problem is easily solvable.  There are a few options.  Spawn more Jerrycans.  Siphon it out of car wrecks.  Dynamic events.  Whatever it takes.   We need fuel to drive cars.  It just can't be finite.  There are options with modded servers, but unlimited fuel for official servers is completely reasonable. 

Imagine years after the fall of society when all gasoline is unusable.  Is that really a video game you want to play in?   Gross.

Yeah, I imagine that it's not long after the 'event' as things aren't very overgrown yet. If it's a long time after the event, cars would be completely seized up and would take more than a new spark plug. Whenever I play on livonia though, I imagine it's set some time later, as everything appears more overgrown.