Ridiculous rain effects?

[S3V3N 1402]

I haven't seen much rain lately and I usually wear a Gorka jacket anyway (right now M65 and raincoat in backpack). Raincoats make you hot while running. So they aren't that great to wear if you make long trips and are on foot a lot. There was a day when I died of Hypothermia, still on experimental version 0.58. It rained so much that whenever I put out and fire and went outside, I had to get right back in and make another as the raining started again. For about an hour it rained nearly non-stop. After I got fed up with the rain and decided to continue my trip, I got hypothermia after about 10-15 minutes and within 1-2 minutes time. The status' are bugged at the moment when it comes to hypothermia. I'm not sure if this has been fixed in stable, yet. 

 

Anyway, the point is - I have not seen rain that much at all lately. And it never again rained for an hour straight, so possibly that doesn't happen in stable any more. Yet when this happens it is totally annoying, because of the glitched character stats. You may be lucky and get hypothermia and shake it off in minutes, but at the moment it either goes away almost instantly or you die from it - also almost instantly. So combine too much rain with bugged stats and you have annoyance. Even more so, since this affects people who travel a lot the most. 

[Whyherro123 2283]

I ..... actually do not understand the appeal of playing through the rain.

 

In real life, running around in the rain is an excellent way to develop hypothermia, either from straight rain, or from sweat buildup as a result of wearing vapor-proof clothing ( Hint: If a jacket prevents water from coming in, it will also prevent water vapor from moving out). In real life, if I was in a Day Z like situation and it was raining, I would go to sleep until it passed. There is nothing I need that badly that could include the very real chance of developing hypothermia.

 

Same thing with playing at night. I don't understand the appeal. Once the sun goes down, I find a safe place to log out ("go to sleep"). There are no light sources, no sustainable ones, anyways, and yet again: there is nothing worth stumbling around in the dark for. Much less that there aren't any "zombies" right now. Playing at night with zombies is stupid, like "horror movie teenager" stupid.

 

When the average adult male sleeps (wrapped up in a blanket and insulated from the ground, which would be easy to do), their metabolic rate can drop as low as 400-500 kCal per hour. Don't talk to me about "needing food". When hypothermic, all of the metabolic energy you are producing is going towards (and being wasted on) trying and failing to stay warm. I'll take sleeping out a rainstorm and waking up hungry, to running around soaking wet and ending up with a severe energy deficit.

[Jex 1104]

They need to fix some descriptions of jackets. the hunting jacket " be out for hours" yet you get soaked - maybe hunters don't go hunting when it rains? The quilted jacket I think says something like, "For all weather when ur hiking it'll protect you" except is doesn't lol

[Kayback 3]

They need to fix some descriptions of jackets. the hunting jacket " be out for hours" yet you get soaked - maybe hunters don't go hunting when it rains? The quilted jacket I think says something like, "For all weather when ur hiking it'll protect you" except is doesn't lol

This!

 

My hunting gear is rain proof. It isn't like wear an oil skin, but I can be out in the rain in cold winds and be quite happy.

 

Even when I'm out in the rain IRL, even heavy rain I don't often use rain coats, or catch hypothermia. What I do do is carry a rain jacket which I throw over whatever I'm wearing for protection from the cold, or my jacket is already rain proof. My rain coat folds up smaller than the ones in DayZ seem to do, but then my 1911 isn't as big as a first aid kit or Pelican case either.

 

I'd prefer some less rain effects. If you are running from house to house in DayZ, even if you do it a bunch of times you shouldn't end up with hypothermia. If you are out overnight in the rain in jeans and a Tshirt, then sure.

 

KBK

[KandyCid 30]

Dresses are laying all over the place guys..rock one with pants and feel beautiful,

 

There's down pours

 

Days with showers

 

Days with a few minutes of rain every hour

 

and all out rainy days

 

It could be changed but it seems balanced to me,

 

I think if the server restarts could be moved to just once aweek in the end and make it where we can fix cars/vehicles to a larger extent instead of them sitting broken down until a restart on the side of the road or until the 45 days is up would be great...we do have wrenches and the loot system seems to be getting into check doing its on thing with out restarts..

[KandyCid 30]

I meet a girl that only wore the dress and no pants, she was extremely camo in the fields and used the improvised backpack, you really don't need all that extra stuff unless your looting to no ends,2 canteens, a few clips and extra ammo is really all you need to travel, the improvised knife opens cans at 96-100%,takes one slot,and will kill a noob in one punch to the head B)

Edited September 18, 2015 by KandyCid

[FrigginTommyNoble 61]

Yeah I can confirm this too. Rain/temperature balance is out of control and buggy. I have full pristine TTsKO and I get completely drenched from a drizzle in 10-20 seconds flat. Then, if you stand around for more than about 30 seconds, I'm shaking. Get cold enough, and it takes literally HOURS to get your temperature back up to where you're not shaking, and you get no messages or indicators about your core temperature.

 

I grew up in Eugene, OR. Me and the rain are tight. I know from experience that gore-tex or rainproof gear (standard in military gear) is extremely water resistant. You can stay bone dry out in the rain for hours if you have the right equipment. As of now I go from bone dry/warm to drenched-shaking in under a minute with top-end gear. Needs fixin'.

Edited September 19, 2015 by FrigginTommyNoble

[S3V3N 1402]

Yeah I can confirm this too. Rain/temperature balance is out of control and buggy. I have full pristine TTsKO and I get completely drenched from a drizzle in 10-20 seconds flat. Then, if you stand around for more than about 30 seconds, I'm shaking. Get cold enough, and it takes literally HOURS to get your temperature back up to where you're not shaking, and you get no messages or indicators about your core temperature.

 

The worst thing for me was that even after I had dried I got those "micro shakes" that were in the game before, but could easily be cured just by sitting at the fire for a few seconds. What I mean is all my status was light green and healthy, but I still saw shaking when I looked through the scope. And nothing would shake this off, so the only solution was to stash my stuff and kill myself. 

 

I have not had big issues with rain in Dayz stable lately. It rained briefly 2 times in a row yesterday, but usually I see nothing but sunshine (and night). It's not very difficult to protect against the rain, either. After spawning you can hit one of the boats on the coast and get a raincoat; like I said before: you do get hot in them faster, so don't use when running for prolonged periods of time.

 

I too find it ridiculous that the hunting jacket is not waterproof. Neither is the M65 jacket, which is my favorite one from the looks. Neither is the riders jacket, which is a freaking motorcycle + leather jacket. I wear the M65 now and have a raincoat in my stash or pocket. Someone mentioned umbrellas. I think it would be funny to see people in the rain with umbrellas; there would probably be colorful + smaller children umbrellas, too. Maybe there should even be only children umbrellas to keep the workload small. Perhaps you can spray those "green" or "black" They could make very light weapons too, basically just for stabbing and only when they aren't opened; so you can't use them as bullet shields ^^ I don't know if I like the idea of umbrellas, but it sure would make sense. But once you find a raincoat, you'd probably toss the umbrella away.

 

Like I suggested in the - uh - suggestions thread, we should have ways to waterproof our clothing ourselves. There are beehive models in the game and beesprodcuts have tons of antiseptical and norishing properties and beeswax can work as a natural waterproofing agent (like in Barbor jackets and other cotton clothing that is treated). So basically with this method you could turn any favorite clothes of yours into a waterproof garment. It isn't a far off idea, but probably nothing the devs have in mind.

 

What annoys me about the rain is only that it doesn't affect the advanced player at all. I don't have problems with rain, because I have camps and barrels full of food and clothes, etc. However, when you start out the game and it rains and you get cold, you are already at a serious disadvantage. So I kinda wish the rain/wet would have litte to no effect on your health. I've been hiking a lot in my life, often got wet (damn you Scotland ^^), but never got ill from it. Rain will permeate any organic surface after a long enough period of time. Even the most expensive jackets when it hits long and hard enough. So it is kinda unfair how kitted out players don't even care about it, while it poses a lifethreat to a bambi on the beach.

 

I guess they wanted some kind of immediate and present danger from the environment that's why rain is so important to the devs. But I'd rather say, let the advanced guys have a few more problems than the ones that just started a round and got pissing wet and died. Ideally, changes would involve a combination of the ideas presented here, so:

 

- more ways to protect yourself from rain (i.e. cutting a poncho out of a plastic sheet, finding umbrellas + re-painting them if needed)

 

- ways to waterproof our other/regular clothing

 

- tweaking the stats for hypothermia and fixing the system for good

 

- better descriptions about the waterproofing capabilities of clothes (you can read about that on the Wiki though)

 

- ...probably some more things, feel free to add more! 

Edited September 19, 2015 by S3V3N

[FrigginTommyNoble 61]

 "Like I suggested in the - uh - suggestions thread, we should have ways to waterproof our clothing ourselves. There are beehive models in the game and beesprodcuts have tons of antiseptical and norishing properties and beeswax can work as a natural waterproofing agent (like in Barbor jackets and other cotton clothing that is treated). So basically with this method you could turn any favorite clothes of yours into a waterproof garment. It isn't a far off idea, but probably nothing the devs have in mind."

 

I really like the beeswax idea. In general, the more nature-based survival tactics they add, the better imo. I think the game is too focused on getting military gear asap, but I trust the devs know this and have a plan. But I would add natural waterproofing such as:

 

• extract certain plant oils and apply to clothing
• Wool clothing is highly absorbent
• Neoprene clothing

I would also add wind resistance as a property that can be added to clothing or as a basic property as well (might be already, but make it read better in the UI/tooltips)

 

"What annoys me about the rain is only that it doesn't affect the advanced player at all."

 

But actually, it does. TTsKO gear is supposed to be 60% absorbent, and keeps you warm, but in 0.58 that's just not the case. I get "completely drenched" in a matter of seconds, and I get those (sometimes completely) incurable shakes in under a minute.  I've had to kill myself and run back to gear because of this. Gorka seems like the only "advanced" gear that isn't totally useless against the rain in the current build. As I mentioned, this feels like a bug with the rain/weather/temperature system right now, but I'd like to get some confirmation from BI that it's indeed broken and/or not working as intended.

 

Totally agree about just how much rain/temperature gimps the freshspawn though.

Edited September 19, 2015 by FrigginTommyNoble

[Herkyl Puuro 52]

Rain isn't that big of a deal but I do hate how wearing certain clothing is just basically pointless.  I used to like to always wear check shirts, now if I do and I'm running around in the sun I still get cold and eventually the shakes.  It just ends up being boring.  In general the clothing options are super boring because the military stuff is just flat out better than everything else, and since people are robots they just go for whatever has the most slots/best "stats."  The end result is 90% of people are running around in military stuff and look nearly identical.

 

It might be realistic but it's snoozers.

 

I kinda agree, even though I usually go for more pockets like other robots. But not everyone who survives needs to be a hard core survivalist with full camo gear. Besides it's kind of silly, people post pics on facebook like "check out my gear", and what they have is the same stuff everyone else seems to have lol.

 

Also I'd like to see a plentitude of other colors in spray cans than just green and black, with options to paint pretty much everything. Would be cool to have a red & yellow Mosin for a change. I mean why the heck not?

[IgnobleBasterd 161]

I ..... actually do not understand the appeal of playing through the rain.

 

In real life, running around in the rain is an excellent way to develop hypothermia, either from straight rain, or from sweat buildup as a result of wearing vapor-proof clothing ( Hint: If a jacket prevents water from coming in, it will also prevent water vapor from moving out). In real life, if I was in a Day Z like situation and it was raining, I would go to sleep until it passed. There is nothing I need that badly that could include the very real chance of developing hypothermia.

 

Same thing with playing at night. I don't understand the appeal. Once the sun goes down, I find a safe place to log out ("go to sleep"). There are no light sources, no sustainable ones, anyways, and yet again: there is nothing worth stumbling around in the dark for. Much less that there aren't any "zombies" right now. Playing at night with zombies is stupid, like "horror movie teenager" stupid.

 

When the average adult male sleeps (wrapped up in a blanket and insulated from the ground, which would be easy to do), their metabolic rate can drop as low as 400-500 kCal per hour. Don't talk to me about "needing food". When hypothermic, all of the metabolic energy you are producing is going towards (and being wasted on) trying and failing to stay warm. I'll take sleeping out a rainstorm and waking up hungry, to running around soaking wet and ending up with a severe energy deficit.

 

If they want people to play at night, perhaps they should make it easier to stealth/avoid zombies at night, or even make them slower and/or less dangerous than during the day. To actually give players incentive.

 

Perhaps the same with rain? The cold rain making zombies slower, or something.

[klesh 2423]

 In general the clothing options are super boring because the military stuff is just flat out better than everything else, and since people are robots they just go for whatever has the most slots/best "stats."  The end result is 90% of people are running around in military stuff and look nearly identical.

 

It might be realistic but it's snoozers.

 

 

This, so much.  

 

We spent a year running around looking identical in the mod, and now with all kinds of choices, everyone just dresses the same so they can have MAX STORAGE!!11!.  If I see someone in the typical all-military get up, I just go in the other direction. 9 times out of 10 they're "looking for action".

 

:facepalm:

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

But you can't really play when it rains. You can pretty much light a fire inside a house to dry yourself, and then stay there.

Hmm, I'm not having a problem. You do realize server admins can set the time of year? Maybe wherever you're playing on has it set to winter months? I have our servers set to current time of year in September and not seeing any debilitating issues.

[KandyCid 30]

If they want people to play at night, perhaps they should make it easier to stealth/avoid zombies at night, or even make them slower and/or less dangerous than during the day. To actually give players incentive.

 

Perhaps the same with rain? The cold rain making zombies slower, or something.

zombies are pretty easy to get by, as long as you don't move or make noise they'll basically step on you

 

[FrigginTommyNoble 61]

Hmm, I'm not having a problem. You do realize server admins can set the time of year? Maybe wherever you're playing on has it set to winter months? I have our servers set to current time of year in September and not seeing any debilitating issues.

 

Oh wow, I didn't realize that. So maybe my server is set in late fall or winter or something. Thanks for the info!

[IgnobleBasterd 161]

zombies are pretty easy to get by, as long as you don't move or make noise they'll basically step on you

 

I meant in relation to daytime.

[LimeMobber 47]

Maybe it might be a little harsh, but it is pretty true to real life,

 

 

So we are going for true to life?

 

Hmm, then how come there are tons of doors I cannot batter down? How come there are buildings I cannot enter even though GASP they have windows that I could easily shatter. How come my character can freeze to death even though I come across houses with blankets on beds that I could easily take and wrap myself with to stay warm? How come I cannot climb trees? My list could go on and on.

 

Rain is a pain in the butt and not very realistic in a video game. In real life I would find a house, climb into the attic, close the lift up stairs behind me, and sleep until it was morning or the rained stopped. I cannot do this in DayZ because it is a video game. So I can either server hop or play rain simulator.

 

LAME.

[Roger_Shrubz 19]

So we are going for true to life?

 

Hmm, then how come there are tons of doors I cannot batter down? How come there are buildings I cannot enter even though GASP they have windows that I could easily shatter. How come my character can freeze to death even though I come across houses with blankets on beds that I could easily take and wrap myself with to stay warm? How come I cannot climb trees? My list could go on and on.

 

Rain is a pain in the butt and not very realistic in a video game. In real life I would find a house, climb into the attic, close the lift up stairs behind me, and sleep until it was morning or the rained stopped. I cannot do this in DayZ because it is a video game. So I can either server hop or play rain simulator.

 

LAME.

 

Warning!, Handbags at dawn!

dont get your pink ladies g-string in a twist you penis-cake,

 

 

so you would rather have zero rain? its just one less survival element to a.... wait for it...... Survival Game! !

I said survival game because lack of zombies (cough :D)

 

 

By reading your post it sounds like you really enjoy Call Of Duty shooter games, pew pew pew pew

 

 

 

Edit: This game is not finished yet so maybe... you will see more enterable buildings, character temps being balanced, and you will see your precious doors come down......  with me on the otherside with a shotgun with 2 barrels waiting to kiss your face :D

Edited September 21, 2015 by Roger_Shrubz

[Bororm 1156]

Was wearing a check shirt and got the shakes from being cold, just running around in regular weather.  Made a fire but it wouldn't heat me up.

 

Then later it rained, got hypothermic, made another fire, heated objects and put them in my bags, tried relogging, taking off shoes etc etc.  died.  The rain had already stopped and my clothes were completely dry.

 

Check shirts are fucking pointless this patch.  I warm up wearing a T shirt but get cold in a check shirt.  Really stupid.

[Whyherro123 2283]

^ "check shirts" are made of a blend of polyester and cotton, probably a 50/50% blend. These would be worse than useless in a rainstorm, or even if you were just sweating. Do you know the phrase that outdoors-people have about cotton? "Cotton kills", as well as the related " you sweat, you die".

 

http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/why-cotton-kills-a-technical-explanation-1688286083

 

http://dayz.gamepedia.com/Shirt

 

Does nobody read the description anymore?

Edited September 26, 2015 by Whyherro123

[Bororm 1156]

^ "check shirts" are made of a blend of polyester and cotton, probably a 50/50% blend. These would be worse than useless in a rainstorm, or even if you were just sweating. Do you know the phrase that outdoors-people have about cotton? "Cotton kills", as well as the related " you sweat, you die".

 

http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/why-cotton-kills-a-technical-explanation-1688286083

 

http://dayz.gamepedia.com/Shirt

 

Does nobody read the description anymore?

 

Come the fuck on, I'm supposed to freeze to death from sweating in chernarus?  I should not die from wearing a shirt and sprinting around the countryside in fair weather, no that doesn't make sense.  

 

And if you reread what I wrote, it stopped raining and my clothes all dried out.  And was standing on a fire, with hot cans in my pockets.

 

And again, right after I died and respawned I was in a t-shirt and "warming up" from running.  A t-shirt is not warmer than a long sleeve shirt.

 

Are we living in the arctic?

 

 

 

Do you know the phrase that outdoors-people have about cotton? "Cotton kills", as well as the related " you sweat, you die".

This is outright comical.

Edited September 26, 2015 by Bororm

[Whyherro123 2283]

I had a kid almost die from hypothermia in the middle of a southern New England summer (aka 90+ degree days, with relatively high humidity), all because he put on a rainjacket during a sudden shower. Because he had a rainjacket on, his body heat couldn't escape, and he started sweating. This sweat on the surface of his skin sucked all of the heat out of his "core", and he had to be rushed to the hospital in pretty serious condition. The total time of the event, from "putting on jacket" to "rushing to the closest hospital" took little over half an hour, an hour tops. Hypothermia can set in damn quick, and unless you know what you are looking for, can be relatively hard to spot until the more advanced stages set in.

 

So, yeah, you totally could die from running around Chernarus in fair weather, regardless of what you were wearing. The sweating is usually what causes the hypothermia. You sweat, and it draws heat from you in two ways: conduction, drawing heat from the body into the sweat, and evaporation, where the heat is released to the atmosphere.

 

Not including that rapidly heating someone up when they get hypothermia is a really good way to kill them. Thermal shock is a thing. You are supposed to slllooooowwwwwllllllllyyyyyy warm up the "core" of the body (by getting them out of wet clothing, wrapping them in a blanket, or dry clothing, and administering warm [not hot] beverages), not heat them up fast by standing in a fire. That needs to stop.

 

The "second bit", when you died from hypothermia after drying out the clothing, standing in a fire, and putting hot things into your pockets, that sounds an awful lot like the "hypothermia bug" that numerous people have been posting about for the last few weeks. "Alpher" and all that, sorry.

 

Oh, and you were probably "warming up" while running in a T-shirt not because the T-shirt is a more effective insulator than a long-sleeved shirt, but because you were fucking running. When you exert a lot of effort out of your muscles, they give off heat as a result of the cellular process (aka metabolic heat and all that shit). This is why when you take a look at athletes after they sprint/run/exert, chances are their skin will be flushed. This is blood, moved close to the skin, so sweat can remove heat. This makes you "feel warm", hence why the game thinks you are "warming up". So long as you are exerting yourself (aka by running), you are producing an absolute fuckton of heat. When you stop exerting yourself, you will get very cold, very fast. If you were properly insulated, you wouldn't feel either hot or cold. If you feel either, you either put on another layer, or take one off.

 

Case in point: back when I was in high school, I ran track. Over the summer, I got some distance training in. I ran around at night, because "it was cooler" and I was a dumbass. It was still around 70 degrees F at night, but I ran so much I was literally steaming when I got back to camp. Because of the sweating I was doing and the difference in temperature between my body and the surrounding air, I developed hypothermia. Pretty quickly, too. It was only a few minutes between me finishing my run and me getting confused and stumblefucking my way around, but that was all it took. Luckily, I had some friends with me that recognized the symptoms, and got me dry and warming up quickly.

 

Why is that last statement comical? They are both directly applicable to hypothermia. I don't allow any of the Scouts in my troop to wear clothing that is more than 50% cotton for a reason, unless it is July-August. 

[Bororm 1156]

Great stories bro, but you don't sweat in DayZ so it's completely irrelevant.

 

Yes I was warming in the t shirt from running, the point is I don't get a warming message from running in a check shirt.  It means that the check shirt is providing less warmth than a t shirt in this game, under the same conditions.

 

 

Those quotes are comical because it's not the cotton it's the conditions.  It's exaggerated to ridiculousness.  You might as well be saying "water kills!"

I mean hopefully lumberjacks never sweat or they'd be dropping like flies presumably.