Tokarev SVT 40

[Deathlove 2286]

So since the SVD is making is debut in game i think this would be a cool alternative to have. Just as rare as the SVD and even uses the SVD 10 round magazines however its made out of all wood just about and can use the bayonet function for close ranged combat. It uses the PSO 1 scope so i could definitely see it sharing SVD ammo as well as sharing the PSO 1 scope in general

 

And since we have allot of ppl that get hard over Russian wood guns i don't really see why not. xD LMAO

 

 

[HomerJay27 69]

SKS on steroids! I approve

[Deathlove 2286]

SKS on steroids! I approve

Yeah i think it needs to be explored not sure how RARE it should be but maybe in a surplus like the mosin is. I mean ppl can argue against it but it uses allot of the SVD features and attachments so this would be a really nice in game alternative.

[Zboub le météor 250]

i love weapons and that baby looks great ! it makes sense to have a few of those in the game.

 

my concern is that with the current damage/caliber system, powerfull rounds are favorited over small rounds. since you regenerate your health very quicly and have no side effect other than blood/health damage, been shot ONCE by a 5.56 is a lot preferable than being shot once by a 7.62*54 (drop dead). in real life, being shot by a "medium sized" round like the 5.56 nato means your in a very bad situation and pretty much dead or heavily wounded without a proper surgeon. it's not THAT much better than being shot by a larger caliber round, that's one of the reason that made most modern army to adopt smaller calibers.

 

so weapons like the SVT 40 or FN FAL can easily break balance in the game. you'll see people trowing away modern light weight weapons to take a 70yo rifle that weight like a dead horse and fire ridiculously large ammunition just because dropping someone with one shot is the biggest advantage a weapon can have in this game, evenmore if that weapon can fire quickly.

 

i really hope the weight system and the long term injury system will make smaller rounds more viable.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Zboub le météor

[Mjones (DayZ) 48]

So since the SVD is making is debut in game i think this would be a cool alternative to have. Just as rare as the SVD and even uses the SVD 10 round magazines however its made out of all wood just about and can use the bayonet function for close ranged combat. It uses the PSO 1 scope so i could definitely see it sharing SVD ammo as well as sharing the PSO 1 scope in general

 

And since we have allot of ppl that get hard over Russian wood guns i don't really see why not. xD LMAO

 

 

 

Would love to see it in game. However that is a PU scope on there, mounts is also diff from the PU/Mount found in game. 

I don't even care if it had optics or not, would be a great alternative for that calibre like you said.

[OnionOfShame 138]

I like it. But you do realize that this is probably the most commonly suggested weapon on this forum, right?

[ebrim 998]

Yes, yes, yes. Plus we need another weapon that uses the Mosin's 7.62'54 now that the Blaze has been altered.

[fg45rr1 16]

Besdies it doesn't take svd magazines or mount a pso scope I think it should be in the game with the ability to mount a pu scope like it does in real life. Also I dont think it should be as rare as an svd because its just an old ww2 gun the the mosin, although it shouldnt be nearly as common as the mosin.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

1.RARE it should be but maybe in a surplus like the mosin

2.SVD features and attachments.

1. It is a surplus rifle, roughly 2 million SVT40's to over 37 million Mosin-Nagants.

2. The only Similarities of these weapons is cosmetics, they do not take the same optics, magazines, or stocks, only the same munition.

this mount is impractical and stupid because the bullet casings would fly up and hit the scope damaging it. Good try though.

 

Would love to see it in game. However that is a PU scope on there, mounts is also diff from the PU/Mount found in game. 

I don't even care if it had optics or not, would be a great alternative for that calibre like you said.

We should not put another scope mount int the game but make it to where you have to have a screwdriver or something to mount the PU mount onto the SVT40 base.

 

I like it. But you do realize that this is probably the most commonly suggested weapon on this forum, right?

Because it is best weapon Pavlov

 

doesn't take svd magazines or mount a pso scope - mount a pu scope - common as the mosin.

True it does not take the PSO-1 or the SVD magazines, but we need a scope(s) here.

The Russians issued 3 different sniper rifle scopes. The 4x PU, and the 6x PE (adjustable) and the PEM (non adjustable) scopes.

All 3 can fit on the Mosin-Nagant and SVT40 PU mount.

[agouti 105]

i love weapons and that baby looks great ! it makes sense to have a few of those in the game.

 

my concern is that with the current damage/caliber system, powerfull rounds are favorited over small rounds. since you regenerate your health very quicly and have no side effect other than blood/health damage, been shot ONCE by a 5.56 is a lot preferable than being shot once by a 7.62*54 (drop dead). in real life, being shot by a "medium sized" round like the 5.56 nato means your in a very bad situation and pretty much dead or heavily wounded without a proper surgeon. it's not THAT much better than being shot by a larger caliber round, that's one of the reason that made most modern army to adopt smaller calibers.

 

so weapons like the SVT 40 or FN FAL can easily break balance in the game. you'll see people trowing away modern light weight weapons to take a 70yo rifle that weight like a dead horse and fire ridiculously large ammunition just because dropping someone with one shot is the buggest advantage a weapon can have in this game, evenmore if that weapon can fire quickly.

 

i really hope the weight system and the long term injure system will make smaller rounds more viable.

Balance blows. Completely and utterly blows. I've been playing this game "Depth" where they make the rifles do 30% less damage than HANDGUNS (despite the obvious increase in powder charge), which should do substantially more. I'm foaming at the mouth. I'd love to hose down the devs (for Depth, not Dayz) with an APS underwater rifle, just to show them how little damage it really does. :D That being said, I feel one shot to the upper chest, neck, or head should be fatal with a 5.56. (the 5.56 is peculiar actually, the newer rounds penetrate better and fragment less, the older rounds did more damage to soft tissue, and penetrated not as well, but the penetrating ability of the m855 is still not that of a true AP round)(this was due to round design and rate of barrel twist)(really going off on a tangent here, perhaps in a perfect world the devs would grace us with m855 and m193)  I'd also make that (head, upper torso, neck) lethal with the 7.62R, as well as the upper legs and lower torso, and have much better penetrative capabilities. Also, we need spine hits!

[agouti 105]

1. It is a surplus rifle, roughly 2 million SVT40's to over 37 million Mosin-Nagants.

2. The only Similarities of these weapons is cosmetics, they do not take the same optics, magazines, or stocks, only the same munition.

this mount is impractical and stupid because the bullet casings would fly up and hit the scope damaging it. Good try though.

 

We should not put another scope mount int the game but make it to where you have to have a screwdriver or something to mount the PU mount onto the SVT40 base.

 

Because it is best weapon Pavlov

 

True it does not take the PSO-1 or the SVD magazines, but we need a scope(s) here.

The Russians issued 3 different sniper rifle scopes. The 4x PU, and the 6x PE (adjustable) and the PEM (non adjustable) scopes.

All 3 can fit on the Mosin-Nagant and SVT40 PU mount.

 

If you have a flat receiver on the side of your rifle (any rifle), chances are you can willy nilliliy drill and tap a side rail to it (not always though, YMMV), you could in theory then attach either a PU scope, SVD scope, or just random mounts or picatinny rails allowing for the attachment of whatever scope fulfills your desires.

 

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SVT40-Scope-Mount-Picatinny-MIL-STD-DRILL-AND-TAP-VERSION-/251501226588?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scope-Mount-with-Picatinny-Rails-for-SKS/271582220452?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D30794%26meid%3Df1ce8b5c7ec84ecfb0d1a6b8b389ebdf%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D380763370118

[DURRHUNTER 597]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scope-Mount-with-Picatinny-Rails-for-SKS/271582220452?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D30794%26meid%3Df1ce8b5c7ec84ecfb0d1a6b8b389ebdf%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D380763370118

this is what the SVT40 would need to mount a long range optic without interference from spent cartridge ejections.

It would not take a PSO1 unless you tap it like you said you could, but even then the Chevrons and sights would be off because it was never meant to mount on that rifle.

[Deathlove 2286]

this is what the SVT40 would need to mount a long range optic without interference from spent cartridge ejections.

It would not take a PSO1 unless you tap it like you said you could, but even then the Chevrons and sights would be off because it was never meant to mount on that rifle.

It could always be modified to take certain things. But since none of our characters are skilled gunsmiths or weapon smiths in general there should always bee the looming prospect of failure with item combinations.

 

I think being able to almost craft anything and use it on various items should be doable regardless if its just for experimentation. But I can understand if this would be to complicated for developers to put in.

[agouti 105]

this is what the SVT40 would need to mount a long range optic without interference from spent cartridge ejections.

It would not take a PSO1 unless you tap it like you said you could, but even then the Chevrons and sights would be off because it was never meant to mount on that rifle.

 

Eh, it'd be fairly close. they both use the 7.62R and and have approximately the same barrel length (and thus fps). I'd be close enough where I wouldn't think twice. It'd be close enough whereas the PU doesn't even have chevrons and needs to be adjusted everytime. I mean, it' be so spot on, I can't see why it wouldn't work.

 

 

Also, here's an SVT with the PSO

 

 

 

 

Here's another SVT-40 with a PSO

 

http://s269.photobucket.com/user/4307R/media/DSC03666.jpg.html

Edited May 11, 2015 by agouti

[Zboub le météor 250]

those are heavily modified SVT-40. why not one of those models over an original one ?

[BeefBacon 1185]

Nobody has ever suggested this gun in the history of ever, ever.

 

Regardless, it'd be cool - especially if it takes the same ammo as the mosin since I'm not a huge fan of an ammunition type fitting in only one gun, especially if it's a common low-tier weapon. Would be even better if it could mount scopes and so on, though perhaps not the PSO since if the SVT can mount it then the SKS should be able to mount it too. Then again, maybe that wouldn't be an awful state of affairs.

[ebrim 998]

Nobody has ever suggested this gun in the history of ever, ever.

 

Regardless, it'd be cool - especially if it takes the same ammo as the mosin since I'm not a huge fan of an ammunition type fitting in only one gun, especially if it's a common low-tier weapon. Would be even better if it could mount scopes and so on, though perhaps not the PSO since if the SVT can mount it then the SKS should be able to mount it too. Then again, maybe that wouldn't be an awful state of affairs.

 

Yeah, standard SVT-40 should take the PU and should require modification to do any different optics. We know that modification is something that is in the development pipes so if we did get the SVT-40 I'm sure eventually we'd get the option to fool around with it until it accepts different optics.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Eh, it'd be fairly close. they both use the 7.62R and and have approximately the same barrel length (and thus fps). I'd be close enough where I wouldn't think twice. It'd be close enough whereas the PU doesn't even have chevrons and needs to be adjusted everytime. I mean, it' be so spot on, I can't see why it wouldn't work.

http://s269.photobucket.com/user/4307R/media/DSC03666.jpg.html

but see how the end of the scope is just barely over the ejection port? that could cause damage to the scope via the spent cartridge hitting the glass or metal of the scope.

sure its plausible, but when PSO-1 scopes and SVD's become rare as a PM73 RAK when the only spawned at heli crashes and the crashes were broke, you will be taking the SVD over the SVT40 anyways.

Edited May 11, 2015 by DURRHUNTER

[agouti 105]

but see how the end of the scope is just barely over the ejection port? that could cause damage to the scope via the spent cartridge hitting the glass or metal of the scope.

sure its plausible, but when PSO-1 scopes and SVD's become rare as a PM73 RAK when the only spawned at heli crashes and the crashes were broke, you will be taking the SVD over the SVT40 anyways.

 

Yes, I am aware of the problem. There are several solutions to this problem. You could find a scope mount that had a shell deflector, attach a shell deflector to the rifle itself, use a shorter scope, or find a scope that can take the beating (or attach something to the scope itself to help withstand it). There are plenty of very solidly built scopes out there, the PSO is one of them.

 

Dude that's the weakest argument ever though, I came up with several highly viable solutions. Do you really think anyone still alive this far into this game, fictionally, would be so unfamiliar with firearms as to have not a knowledge of such things?

 

 

Also, why would the PSO become rare? It's used on AK pattern rifles. There is a common adapter used to attach a PSO to a Yugo SKS (the kind found in the game). The PSO is such a common sight, they've created ways to attach it to an SKS, and using this, an SVT, or even a mosin nagant! The PSO is a decent scope, and if it's so prolific, why not create ways to slap it onto anything? I have no idea the true rarity of these attachments as I've only ever checked on the internet.

 

 

http://kalinkaoptics.com/firearm-accessories/molot-sks-original-rail-with-rivets.html

 

Note: Proof of concept only. Never buy from Kalinka. Unless you're a gambler.

 

Regarind the rail, they're not slap on and go like an m4 accessories, but it's not rocket science. Depending on how handy you are, and if you have access to the internet, (and what tools at hand!) this could possibly be done in a home workshop.

 

There's now even different flavors of PSO like scopes made by the original producers in different magnifications, mounting styles, calibers, and platforms.

[Deathlove 2286]

those are heavily modified SVT-40. why not one of those models over an original one ?

Why not be able to modify the gun instead of having to go with different model?  Just make modifying a weapon not 100% sure to work. And after a specific amount of tries it can break the tools, attachments or even the gun itself.

 

Nobody has ever suggested this gun in the history of ever, ever.

 

Regardless, it'd be cool - especially if it takes the same ammo as the mosin since I'm not a huge fan of an ammunition type fitting in only one gun, especially if it's a common low-tier weapon. Would be even better if it could mount scopes and so on, though perhaps not the PSO since if the SVT can mount it then the SKS should be able to mount it too. Then again, maybe that wouldn't be an awful state of affairs.

Well i brought it up because its in ARMA 3 Breaking Point and i absolutely love the damn thing. Uses the SVD rounds and a PSO 1 scope but i mean its just a fun gun to play with considering the SVD is 100% harder to get ahold of.

[Zboub le météor 250]

Why not be able to modify the gun instead of having to go with different model?  Just make modifying a weapon not 100% sure to work. And after a specific amount of tries it can break the tools, attachments or even the gun itself.

 

 

well, for now we have only untouched almost original versions of the weapons. big mod on weapon like the mosin nagant and the STV are not that rare and to be honest, the SVT with the modified wood parts with the PSO look GORGEOUS.

 

basic modification will be in, such as crafting rail adapters or nailing scopes on some weapons, but i don't see heavy modifications like thoses above being possible, so why not :)

[Chaingunfighter 917]

The SVT does not use SVD magazines, nor does it usually mount the PSO-1 (it could use the PU, though.) 'SVD ammo' aka 7.62x54mmR is the only caliber this gun is available in anyway so there's nothing else it could use.

 

And no, this would not be very common, at least compared to an SKS or Mosin and the vast majority of other civilian guns in the game. Yes, over 2 million were produced but SVT-40s fell out of use pretty quickly because they were expensive to maintain and could not be field stripped. Sure, it wouldn't be as rare as a Red 9 or whatnot but it'd definitely be harder to find than most of the civilian guns, which is understandable considering it's basically the somewhat inferior but still powerful civilian SVD.

[blackberrygoo 1416]

Yes !! I loved this variant in arma 3 epoch :0

[Deathlove 2286]

The SVT does not use SVD magazines, nor does it usually mount the PSO-1 (it could use the PU, though.) 'SVD ammo' aka 7.62x54mmR is the only caliber this gun is available in anyway so there's nothing else it could use.

 

And no, this would not be very common, at least compared to an SKS or Mosin and the vast majority of other civilian guns in the game. Yes, over 2 million were produced but SVT-40s fell out of use pretty quickly because they were expensive to maintain and could not be field stripped. Sure, it wouldn't be as rare as a Red 9 or whatnot but it'd definitely be harder to find than most of the civilian guns, which is understandable considering it's basically the somewhat inferior but still powerful civilian SVD.

I said like maybe slightly more common than the SVD not ubber common like the SKS or mosin per say lol.

 

I did however say a surplus like the mosin but i again stated im not 100% sure how much rarer or common it should be. I do agree it should be rarer than most of the world war 2 guns we can get currently in game now though or other more modern civilian guns.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Deathlove

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I said like maybe slightly more common than the SVD not ubber common like the SKS or mosin per say lol.

 

I did however say a surplus like the mosin but i again stated im not 100% sure how much rarer or common it should be. I do agree it should be rarer than most of the world war 2 guns we can get currently in game now though or other more modern civilian guns.

It is a surplus and is definitely the only realistic WW2-era battle rifle worth putting in, but it'd still be pretty uncommon. I wouldn't say to the point of the SVD as the SVD is going to be extremely rare eventually, but to the point that its rarer than most civilian guns now. You could make arguments that an SVT would be more common than the Colt Python or Thompson Contender or Blaze 95 or whatnot but in the end that just can't be done because it's a battle rifle and you've got to have some form of balancing in to prevent it from going haywire.