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I'm new to this game. I think I have somewhere around 30 hours played. I'm beginning to struggle just a bit and I want to hear some opinions on what I should do.

 

It seems that this game really is much better to play with a small group, maybe even only 2 people. I find that I commonly come across 2-3 man teams. Most of the time, I am alone. I try to talk to people in game but I think we all know what that gets me. My real life nature, disposition, and values prevent me from behaving the way that most others do in-game. If I was playing something like Halo or Battlefield or <insert mainstream PVP game here>, these things are rarely a hindrance because those games are not immersive in the way that this game is. I guess one could say that I do a form of RP in games like this wherein I behave as I naturally would. I'm not playing this game just to kill zombies, or people, or just to find a sweet gun. I'm playing this game to experience the mutha-fucking zombie apocalypse! I'm quite sure I'm not the only one who has had conversations about just what we would do if the zombie apocalypse happened. 

 

Just today, I was in Pogorevka near Green Mountain. I found a truck and I was trying to figure out how to get gas in it. All I could find was a PET bottle and it worked. I got the truck started and to a gas station where I put a few more bottles into it with the hope of being able to get far enough to find some actual gas cans. So I started off down the road, only for the server to restart. 

 

When I rejoined, my truck was gone. I was sad. Oh well, I said. I checked the map and saw that a helicopter crash site was nearby. I started towards it and sure enough I saw the telltale black smoke. SWEET! Then I saw that two guys had beaten me to it. I walked up while one of them was drinking. I could have easily killed him. EASILY. That is not the first thought that comes to my mind when playing these kinds of games though. I hit PTT and said, "Hey. I'm not gonna attack you". I unequipped my fire ax from my hands as I was saying this. I did not have it raised anyway. I could have probably killed them both given the fact that they let me walk right up to them without even noticing I was there, but that just is not how I roll. The first guy switched to a firearm. The second guy readied his sniper rifle. One shot and I died. And this was on a "No KoS server".

 

So what am I getting at here? 

 

I try to make friends so I'm not outnumbered in literally every altercation and all that gets me is shot, stabbed, trapped, and just generally fucked up. Most of the time, the person who kills me isn't even getting anything decent. I keep 3 cans of peaches, a can opener if I can find one, some ammo, a pistol, a sledgehammer or ax, a raincoat and whatever pants I can find that have 6 slots. If I can find them before I am murdered ruthlessly, I keep 1-3 canteens. I also always grab a compass ASAP. Other than that, they are getting some super common rifle or shotgun from me if it's not wrecked from the fight (not sure how that works). Except for the one day where I got killed by the Phantom Menace about an hour after getting an AUG. I fired like 3 bullets out of it so I hope the guy is enjoying it. 

 

So I'm not a target because of the badass gear that I don't have, talking does nothing but put them in "Ee's diff'rnt. keel im" mode, and I get no satisfaction out of simply killing the only genuinely interactive objects within the game world. The worst part about all of this is that I have seen some really pointless killing even when it doesn't involve me. There was a guy who was bleeding out on the ground, inches from death, and he stopped bandaging himself just to kill my friend who wasn't doing anything but looking at him. Do you know how that played out? They both died. I tried to save my buddy but I got a CTD (long story, PC issues since solved). No one gained anything. All of their shit was ruined so I wasn't even able to make use of any of it in the aftermath. If that guy had just acted like a person with a brain stem and not some feral stray dog, everyone would've lived. I feel like the only sane adult for thousands of miles that has just stumbled upon the camp of boys from Lord of the Flies

 

Suggestions? Is this just not the game for me? Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder. It is really, really cool when I'm not getting double fisted by dude bros with AKs and Hunting Rifles or, my personal fav, the Ghost of Veresnik Prison. I'm just getting a little bit frustrated and instead of blaming everyone else, I'm trying to figure out if it's maybe just me. Maybe this game just isn't my cup of tea, despite all that I enjoy about it. What do you all think?

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I checked the map and saw that a helicopter crash site was nearby. I started towards it and sure enough I saw the telltale black smoke. SWEET! Then I saw that two guys had beaten me to it. I walked up while one of them was drinking. I could have easily killed him. EASILY. That is not the first thought that comes to my mind when playing these kinds of games though. I hit PTT and said, "Hey. I'm not gonna attack you". I unequipped my fire ax from my hands as I was saying this. I did not have it raised anyway. I could have probably killed them both given the fact that they let me walk right up to them without even noticing I was there, but that just is not how I roll. The first guy switched to a firearm. The second guy readied his sniper rifle. One shot and I died.

It's pretty well understood that these types of locations are combat zones. Everyone is competing for the gear found there, and they were protecting themselves from your threat. Even though you said you weren't, they have no reason to trust you or think you'll kill them as soon as you get some gear or they turn their backs. That is the game, you played it your way, and lost.

And this was on a "No KoS server".

No such thing, and I'm pretty sure it's against the rules to title the servers like that. I know it's against the rules to ban them for it at least.

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Suggestions? Is this just not the game for me? Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that, only that you might be playing it wrong. One of the most important concepts you need to grasp is "self preservation." Be more cautious and careful with how you loot. I've been shot dead many times with no shooter in sight, when I thought I was alone because I was running from building to building. Take a stealthier approach and consider survival (from other players) the greatest challenge in the game. Trust no-one. You can and will find friendly players but never fully let your guard down or let them get the upper hand on you. Approach other players with extreme caution and a healthy fear. Don't reveal yourself until you get an idea of who their are. These challenges are what really make DayZ what it is. The player interaction and duality of survival and companionship.

 

I mean be honest, what gives you the greatest thrill while playing Dayz? It's those tense moments at the beginning of any player interaction. Without people who killed you or threatened you, this thrill would be lost.

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I guess I assumed that the helicopter crash site would be empty because the server had just restarted. How could someone not only know where it was but get there before me in the span of the 5 minutes since the server restarted? Those guys had to know that I could've killed them and chose not to. They didn't see me at all until I announced myself and lowered my weapon, 10 feet away from them. They killed me because they could. Simple as that.

 

I don't mean to imply that player interaction should be taken away. I'm saying that I don't understand the logic behind killing everything that moves without even attempting to interact, especially in curcumstances where you are actually hurting yourself!

 

I guess I'm just getting frustrated with the way the game currently works. You can't loot any of the major sites without people logging in all over the place and server hopping. This means that you can't possibly cover all possible avenues of attack, partiicularly not on your own. You can't talk to anyone because you are just giving yourself away and the sound of the human voice ignites a primal murder reflex in 99.9% of the player base, based on my addmittedly short time in the game. You can't find anything decent at these loot zones because they get picked clean within an hour at most after server resets.

 

It was fun and exciting at first. When I did see another player, I would get an adrenaline spike and get tense. Now, even after only 30 hours, the "player interactions" (read: Deathmatch) are already boring. There aren't any unless you count your bullets entering another guy's chest as an interaction.

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 Play on a Private server , No crash site jumpers and there seems to be alot more friendlies. Well at least they will talk to you before they start shooting.

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I guess I assumed that the helicopter crash site would be empty because the server had just restarted. How could someone not only know where it was but get there before me in the span of the 5 minutes since the server restarted?

Like you, they just happened to be nearby.

Those guys had to know that I could've killed them and chose not to. They didn't see me at all until I announced myself and lowered my weapon, 10 feet away from them. They killed me because they could. Simple as that.

 

I don't mean to imply that player interaction should be taken away. I'm saying that I don't understand the logic behind killing everything that moves without even attempting to interact, especially in curcumstances where you are actually hurting yourself!

You can't find anything decent at these loot zones because they get picked clean within an hour at most after server resets.

You answered you question yourself. One of the reasons helicopter crash sites are so volatile is because of their limited yet valuable loot. You said they had no reason to kill you, but consider this... If they had let you live would they then be obligated to share the helicopter loot with you, a stranger? No, you are direct competition for the gear. Leaving you alive means basically giving you the valuables they covet for themselves.

Not only that, but what if you found a gun at the helicopter, and turned on them to kill them and collect their gear. Of course they would expect you to put your axe away when they have guns.

They were protecting their own best interests and their lives. Nobody is friendly at helicopter crash sites unless they are already your trusted companion. I have never found a crash site yet, but I can tell you I will not approach any other players there if I do.

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I see what you are getting at, I guess. I just don't agree with the logic used to arrive at the "kill everything that moves" mentality. You say they were protecting themselves and their loot, but they could've easily just told me to fuck off and I would've turned around and walked away. 

 

I don't think I'm capable of altering my state of mind to where it needs to be to enjoy this. I really think it's just me. When I see another player, I have found that I absolutely must shoot to kill immediately. Instead, despite the fact that I commonly see them first and could kill them easily, I hesitate in the hopes of having a fun and new experience with another player. Then, I get killed. It doesn't matter if I have a weapon in my hand, crouched on the floor, announce my presence, move towards them, stand still, all makes no difference. People just DGAF.

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There are plenty of whitelisted roleplay servers about, I'm sure from the sounds of it one of them would suite you nicely.

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Try getting a friend to play DayZ. I've got a couple of mates who I occasionally play with.

 

The helicopter thing sucks. I only shoot people if they surprise me or if they present an actual threat. I guess you just got unlucky - either they were just arseholes or they simply didn't understand you. Either way, bad luck. Generally speaking it's best to be cautious in military areas. Almost all of my deaths have happened while looting a military base or something. People are just more eager to kill on sight in high-loot places, regardless of their disposition.

 

I think it's wrong to say you're playing it wrong, because you're not. You're probably a little more trusting than other players might be, and don't approach with as much caution, but there's nothing wrong with that. Could give RP servers a go, they look pretty fun. Most of them are whitelisted, so you're less likely to run into hackers, exploiters and people who KoS, so I reckon they'd mesh better with your social playstyle.

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Try getting a friend to play DayZ. I've got a couple of mates who I occasionally play with.

 

The helicopter thing sucks. I only shoot people if they surprise me or if they present an actual threat. I guess you just got unlucky - either they were just arseholes or they simply didn't understand you. Either way, bad luck. Generally speaking it's best to be cautious in military areas. Almost all of my deaths have happened while looting a military base or something. People are just more eager to kill on sight in high-loot places, regardless of their disposition.

 

I think it's wrong to say you're playing it wrong, because you're not. You're probably a little more trusting than other players might be, and don't approach with as much caution, but there's nothing wrong with that. Could give RP servers a go, they look pretty fun. Most of them are whitelisted, so you're less likely to run into hackers, exploiters and people who KoS, so I reckon they'd mesh better with your social playstyle.

 

I will look into it. Thank you for the advice. I'm not sure what whitelisted means or how to find them but it sounds like it might be a bit more fun.

 

I have a friend who I bought the game to play with, but I'm new and he dies even more than I do, meaning we respawn god knows where and spend 4 hours getting back to each other only to die 5-10 minutes later. I'm barely exaggerating here.

 

I guess it's not that I'm specifically trusting, but that I'm giving people the chance to be decent so they can enjoy the game too. I see these threads where people all complain about it for 100+ pages so I don't want to contribute to the problem. I just feel like I can't complain about KoS if I do it too.

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I'm not sure what whitelisted means

 

Whitelisted means you have to be on a list of permitted players in order to join a server. I think in the context of DayZ, however, this refers to knowing a server's password but using the term 'whitelist' can generally refer to servers that are locked in some way.

 

Now, I'm not sure how to find them (maybe somebody can help with that) but you might have some luck if you browse the servers section of the forums.

 

EDIT

 

Whitelisted servers usually have a form of soem sort that you can fill out. Your SteamID is used to grant you access.

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Whitelisted servers usually have a form of soem sort that you can fill out. Your SteamID is used to grant you access.

 

I'm reading all about it now. I think I might enjoy that kind of game better, I'm not really up for the effort necessary for full time hardcore role-playing though so this might be tough as many of them are setup that way. I will see what I can find. 

 

Thanks to everyone who suggested this.

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I'm pretty new too, 3 weeks in but about 120hrs of play according to Steam. My mindset is pretty similar to yours, here are somethings I've figured out through experience.

1: Currently most people are going to try and kill you. Either for your gear or just because they can. Don't let it get you down. The game is alpha and with the changes coming, the game will evolve.

2: If you see someone first, observe them and try to get a feel for what they are up to. If you're seen first, play it by ear but be ready to shoot or scoot.

3: If you decide to approach them, try to keep cover between you and them. Then talk to them from a distance. Two reasons for this a lot of people are bad shots. Or if they only have a melee weapon. If they start getting to close before you feel comfortable, ask them to back off. If they don't either shoot or scoot.

4: Never stop moving. Even when you are trying to converse with someone. It's harder to hit a target in motion and might buy you the time you need to scoot if they get aggressive. This also helps with snipers but some of them are awesome shots.

5: Stay out of Cherno and Elktro. Both are deathtraps. I've not had problems in Berenzino but I've heard it's bad too.

6: Be aware of your surroundings. Just because you are talking to someone who claims to be friendly, doesn't mean they don't have a friend sneaking up on you, or on the off chance some other trigger happy fool spots you.

8: Trust your gut. No matter where you are or what you're doing if feel like you're at risk... Get out of there. 

I'm sure they're are many more tips that can help increase your survival chances without having to resort to joining the KoSers.

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I would, too, recommend that you either play on a private server or whitelisted server.

When I play alone I only play on my favorite private server. There is still a lot killing going on, but at least there are no server hoppers there.

When I am with my trusty friend we go on public servers to kill or get killed in big cities like Cherno and Electro.

I enjoy many different playstyles. Alone I only kill in self defence and usually live from the land in a remote place. Using a bow, traps and gardening to survive.

With my friend we are more aggressive and shoot basicaly everybody who has a gun out but never new spawns with only melee weapons as long as they don't attack us.

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The reason many people kill anyone they see, is because anyone that sees them is liable to kill them. Being friendly is nice, but being alive is even better. 

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I'm new to this game. I think I have somewhere around 30 hours played. I'm beginning to struggle just a bit and I want to hear some opinions on what I should do.

 

....snip....

 

It was good reading your post, as I could find a lot in there that is true for myself! So, believe me if I tell you that you are not alone!

 

I am in the 4digit hour range, and guess what, I still cannot act against "my real life nature", as you called it so spot on. There is a lot of reading material in the forums you can find online, but there is one sentence that summed it up for me pretty well: "I´ve tried to be mean and dangerous, but I suck at it." So a friendly orientated playstyle is ON.

That doesn´t mean that I am not cautious when I approch people (well at least I try to be as much as I can...) or not ready  to defend my chars life if I have to. But I still like to talk to people "on sight", instead of shooting them on sight, if the place and conditions permit.

 

Yes, the results of that playstyle may vary and can be frustrating sometimes (as you have experienced in your helicrash-situation). So you have to be ready for it (it is only pixels, right?!...well, I am not so sure about this anymore...definitely depends upon how "infected" you are yourself), but the learning curve is steep and in the long run, the results from "peaceful" player interaction are WAY more rewarding than all the damaged and ruined loot others may pick from your broken body/or you from theirs. And you will not miss any of the adrenaline rushes and heart pumping action at all.

This playstyle is a hard one though, that needs a lot of balls. Shooting and killing everything that moves is a easy way to survive (unless you have a potato-aim like me... ;) ). Everything has it´s place in the game, so nothing wrong adapting here and there a little bit, as you make your way through Chernarus...

 

I would recommend the same as others did before.

Find a private and/or whitelisted community, that is well moderated, and play there (never tried rp). If this place has it´s own website and forum, even better. You´ll quickly learn to know the active people by playing, reading/discussing and watching their vids. Ánd you´ll find similarities, for sure.

For myself I´ve found this place here http://oldschooldayz.net/index.php , but I am sure there are others.

 

But whaterver you do, enjoy your 30hrs-all-time-freshspawn time in Chernarus while it lasts! Explore, have fun and always be ready for all the surprises that lie behind the next corner. Don´t let yourself become downhearted by all these "scumbags" :rolleyes: out there, find your way to deal with them!

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Did you have a yellow raincoat and MP shotgun?

 

How could you know that? Unless.........YOU.   >:(

 

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@ MostlyHarmless

 

You get me.  ;)

 

Though I will die (A LOT), eventually I will find some other survivors who just want to trade, chat, and/or adventure with a partner. 

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It was me. Just wanted to point out a few things quick.

 

It was on Victory Gamers 2 which is a private server and by no means a "no KOS" server. You ran right up to my buddy while he was eating before you announced yourself and you were armed with a shotgun, albeit on your back. You didn't know I was there untill I came from the other side of the helicopter and I believe you said "Oh there's two of you".

 

All that aside Wolfgang pretty much hit all the nails on the head, it's a crash site which is no different from any military base, the airfield, or prison, you will be shot. With only 30 hours in you seem to have done your research, enough to get off the coast and search for helicopters. So I dont understand how you could play this situation the way you did and not expect what happened.

 

P.S. thanks for the peaches, I love peaches =)

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It was me. Just wanted to point out a few things quick.

 

It was on Victory Gamers 2 which is a private server and by no means a "no KOS" server. You ran right up to my buddy while he was eating before you announced yourself and you were armed with a shotgun, albeit on your back. You didn't know I was there untill I came from the other side of the helicopter and I believe you said "Oh there's two of you".

 

All that aside Wolfgang pretty much hit all the nails on the head, it's a crash site which is no different from any military base, the airfield, or prison, you will be shot. With only 30 hours in you seem to have done your research, enough to get off the coast and search for helicopters. So I dont understand how you could play this situation the way you did and not expect what happened.

 

P.S. thanks for the peaches, I love peaches =)

 

That was the 2nd helicopter I ever found. The 1st was completely by accident. This one was because I was nearby and had no other immediate goal. That was also the first time I ever actually tried to find one by checking a location on the map.

 

I remember text scrolling on the screen as I joined the server about not killing on sight. Perhaps I'm not remembering it correctly. I have joined and been murdered in many servers in the short time I've been playing and I was killed at least 3 or 4 times on that day alone. Regardless of whether those are or are not the server rules, I'm told that server admins can't hold anyone to that and I doubt there is any way to realistically enforce it. So, no big deal I guess. That really isn't the main point that I was trying to make here, not by a long shot.

 

I said "Hey, I'm not gonna attack you". I don't recall saying anything else. I cursed a bunch when I realized I was about to be killed but I had let off the PTT by then so I'm not sure what you are referring to. The fact remains that I could've killed your friend without any real trouble as he was stuffing his face. If I had been that kind of player, that is. Trust me when I say this: I will not make that mistake again. I've been killed too many times when I could have, should have, and would have killed the guy who snuffed me. If I had killed your buddy, what was going to stop me from killing you too? I could've walked up with that shotgun (that was loaded as you clearly saw) while you two derped around oblivious to the world. It's easy to snipe an unarmed man who just announced his presence and is not even moving

 

But I see the point that all of you are trying to make. I learned my lesson today and killed a guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. You all have converted me. KoS is the name of the game. Avoid if you can, but if you can't - shoot first and ask questions later. If that's how you all want to play, then in order to participate, I must as well. I hope you frequent that server. I really hope our paths cross again. :)

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Saying that a heli crash, military base or any other place is some kind of "free kill zone" is just rubbish. People could behave normally and if another player is not hostile theres no need to kill them outright. You can capture them, secure them and release them. or shot their legs and tie them up. Or just keep them under arms til you are done looting. Killing is the easy and boring way to do it. Its also completely meaningless for both parties. First you make a player respawn, which is annoying but also you make an enemy. I can't even count the many times I have been killed and get hellbent on finding the killer to get my revenge, only succeding twice. But I will remember those victories.

 

People can play the game the way they want naturally, but the main goal we all have in common, heroes, bambis and dirty kos-ing bandit scum is that we all want to have fun. So make it fun. Don't just shoot someone dead like that for no reason.

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I don't think I'm capable of altering my state of mind to where it needs to be to enjoy this. I really think it's just me. When I see another player, I have found that I absolutely must shoot to kill immediately. Instead, despite the fact that I commonly see them first and could kill them easily, I hesitate in the hopes of having a fun and new experience with another player. Then, I get killed. It doesn't matter if I have a weapon in my hand, crouched on the floor, announce my presence, move towards them, stand still, all makes no difference

Dont give up, it really gets easier. You will be able to read these "signs" much faster after a few more #rekt incidents. I usualy avoid intercations near mil. objects alltogether. And it's not because i wouldnt want any interaction, trade or what not, but like you said, some people will go into a fight even if they cant gain anything from it. If you want interaction without getting screwed over and over you need to corner him, so he has no chance but to either comply or enjoy the beach trip. Nothing beats a forced friendship! 

 

Also, dont ever trust groups. Groups are the worse. There's always, always that asshole who will try to kill you, altho the rest of the group might like you.

I've seen this way too many times. IF you cant get a shot on both, dont go. You need to control the situation all the way else they will use the opportunity.

Obviously there are exeptions. So far i met around two friendly groups out of 20+. This experience will vary from player to player.

 

 

Only thing I would do different when meeting these two guys is imo, having your shogun in my hands. Remember, you cant trust anyone but yourself. You should run in his animation-eating face with your shotgun up and introduce yourself aiming at his face and try to calm situation down. The second his buddy came and draw out his mosin you should pump them open. There is no middle field. It's either them or you. There's a fine line and th second they cross it you need to take actions. I think that's the most exciting part of it, really. Chopper site is a really bad spot. Always try to have at least a big wall or a bush that you can hide or run to, use for cover or surprise flanking. Beside your wrong judgment of not opening fire, location was imo really bad to control the situation vs 2 players.

 

Dont go all KOS, you will lose out ona a huge fun part of the game if you dont try to interact. You will lose your gear anyway and youll have no awesome stories to tell.

 

 

And like others said, try private shards.

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Dont give up, it really gets easier. You will be able to read these "signs" much faster after a few more #rekt incidents. I usualy avoid intercations near mil. objects alltogether. And it's not because i wouldnt want any interaction, trade or what not, but like you said, some people will go into a fight even if they cant gain anything from it. If you want interaction without getting screwed over and over you need to corner him, so he has no chance but to either comply or enjoy the beach trip. Nothing beats a forced friendship! 

 

Also, dont ever trust groups. Groups are the worse. There's always, always that asshole who will try to kill you, altho the rest of the group might like you.

I've seen this way too many times. IF you cant get a shot on both, dont go. You need to control the situation all the way else they will use the opportunity.

Obviously there are exeptions. So far i met around two friendly groups out of 20+. This experience will vary from player to player.

 

 

Only thing I would do different when meeting these two guys is imo, having your shogun in my hands. Remember, you cant trust anyone but yourself. You should run in his animation-eating face with your shotgun up and introduce yourself aiming at his face and try to calm situation down. The second his buddy came and draw out his mosin you should pump them open. There is no middle field. It's either them or you. There's a fine line and th second they cross it you need to take actions. I think that's the most exciting part of it, really. Chopper site is a really bad spot. Always try to have at least a big wall or a bush that you can hide or run to, use for cover or surprise flanking. Beside your wrong judgment of not opening fire, location was imo really bad to control the situation vs 2 players.

 

Dont go all KOS, you will lose out ona a huge fun part of the game if you dont try to interact. You will lose your gear anyway and youll have no awesome stories to tell.

 

 

And like others said, try private shards.

 

I'm learning man. I've made some missteps, but I'm learning. My buddy just got done telling me exactly the same thing yesterday. He said that if he had approached them, he'd have had his shotgun in hand and immediately acted when it was clear death was coming. I'm crafting a Ghillie suit (have 90% of what I need) for solo encounters such as this one. Next time I'm gonna get close, blend in, tell them they are boned and that I would like them to either chat, be friendly, or trade. Barring that, they should GTFO before I decide I don't like their body language and put softball sized holes in their skulls. He also said that he simply does not approach people who are heavily geared up. He tries to avoid them, particularly when playing solo.

 

My logic was that if I walked up, clearly not a genuine threat, and announced myself, that they would think, Why waste a bullet? I see now why that was incorrect. My goal was to put the other players at ease, knowing that I am no immediate threat and seeing that my gear is all boring, plain, common stuff. As I understand it, most just think free kill! If I give them no other choice, then they might be decent. I also have started carrying handcuffs. We will interact dammit! 

 

I don't want to kill anyone who doesn't force me to. We're all just trying to survive in Z-land, you know? EXCEPTION: Revenge. 

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