CR527 Carbine Talk

[Deathlove 2286]

Im really trying to love this gun as I think every single gun should be cherished like a treasure when you find it but I just find myself throwing this gun away more than i like to and replacing it with ether the SKS or Repeater. It baffles me that the Repeater is 100% more accurate and better in terms of stopping power. Not sure if its the iron sight, the jarring every single time you load a new ammo piece in the cartridge or what but i just am not liking the feel of the weapon. Firing it with infected is a huge risk of getting yourself killed as well it seems. Considering it holds less rounds than the other two rifles i listed what could or should be done to improve this weapon to make it more playable?

 

The Cartridges are extremely hard to find, the gun in general is not so easy to acquire over the other 2. Is it to late to save this gun? lol

 

I know some of you guys are going to swear die hard to the weapon but you gotta admit if you can find better you probably would.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Just the fact that the ammo for it rarely spawns outside military locations (not to mention the whole magazine issue), makes this gun pretty worthless compared to other "civilian" spawn guns in my view.

[Deathlove 2286]

Just the fact that the ammo for it rarely spawns outside military locations (not to mention the whole magazine issue), makes this gun pretty worthless compared to other "civilian" spawn guns in my view.

If the gun is going to stay in game it needs a HUGE overhaul or something to make up for it. The gun is SUPER clumsy to use.

[Rags! 1966]

Consider that the carbine will spawn in the same places as the Mosin Nagant and the repeater, its two greatest rivals. 

 

Both are bolt action rifles, but the Mosin has ammo that is easier to find, is more damaging, does not require a magazine, and can equip multiple scopes. 

 

The Repeater has ammo that is even easier to find and it can hold eleven rounds without a magazine. 

 

Even the humble Trumpet doesn't require a magazine and will kill players in a single headshot with ammunition that's even easier to find still. 

 

The usefulness of the Carbine is acceptable, though the ease of access is disproportionately high at the moment. The chances of finding the rifle, the rare as hell magazine, and the very uncommon ammunition for it before you find another weapon instead are slim at best. It is very easily replaced by other weapons. 

[gibonez 3633]

• incomplete and unfinished damage model - aka no way in hell a .357 magnum should ever do more damage than a 7.62x39
• No internal magazine spawning with the gun + scarcity of magazines
• No optics yet

 

Thats pretty much it.

[Deathlove 2286]

Consider that the carbine will spawn in the same places as the Mosin Nagant and the repeater, its two greatest rivals. 

 

Both are bolt action rifles, but the Mosin has ammo that is easier to find, is more damaging, does not require a magazine, and can equip multiple scopes. 

 

The Repeater has ammo that is even easier to find and it can hold eleven rounds without a magazine. 

 

Even the humble Trumpet doesn't require a magazine and will kill players in a single headshot with ammunition that's even easier to find still. 

 

The usefulness of the Carbine is acceptable, though the ease of access is disproportionately high at the moment. The chances of finding the rifle, the rare as hell magazine, and the very uncommon ammunition for it before you find another weapon instead are slim at best. It is very easily replaced by other weapons. 

Idk for me the Repeater just seems like an overall better weapon in terms of punch for zeds. You can kill them in one shot with it  including ones with plate carrier armor sometimes. Not to mention you don't jar wildly and have to reload every time a new round from the magazine comes in.

 

And yes the mosin which i didn't mention is just as good with or without the scope.

[cash81 506]

I love finding the magazine since it has 5 more rounds to put in my sks.

[Deathlove 2286]

 

• incomplete and unfinished damage model - aka no way in hell a .357 magnum should ever do more damage than a 7.62x39

This is what pretty much even got me writing this post in the first place.

[Calvin Candie 189]

There is still time to save this very cool rifle.

Alpheeeerr

[Deathlove 2286]

There is still time to save this very cool rifle.

Alpheeeerr

Hopefully

 

Even if there were ways to craft items to enhance the weapon in general would be nice. Actually enhancing weapons with crafting tweaks wouldn't be a really bad idea as long as its moderate improvements and not extremely overpowered stuff.

[GaryWalnuts 1680]

 

No optics yet

 

 

I'd like to see one civilian rifle with a scope.  

 

If I found the CR527 and the mag then I might hold onto them a bit longer in the hopes of finding that rare scope.

[chompster 171]

Is it to late to save this gun? lol

Hardly.

 

7.62x39 ammo spawning is currently bugged hence the scarcity and the (again) buggyness of loot is preventing a decent amount of magazines to spawn. Once these two are fixed i can already see this rifle being used way more often.

 

But not to mention that weapons need to start having a chance to spawn with the magazines, that would also really help this rifle. And an optic to put on it also wouldn't hurt.

[Wookieenoob 191]

Just the fact that the ammo for it rarely spawns outside military locations (not to mention the whole magazine issue), makes this gun pretty worthless compared to other "civilian" spawn guns in my view.

 

totally wrong

 

 

mags spawn at civ houses with 5 rounds.

 

 

cr with mag>mosin

[Rags! 1966]

 

And yes the mosin which i didn't mention is just as good with or without the scope.

 

The Mosin is much, much better with a scope. Are you high?

[Zboub le météor 250]

never fired this weapon in PVP situation in about 500h of gameplay... for the reason you mentionned above but more specifically because the magazine is too hard to find.

 

i think this rifle will be viable in a close future. devs are going in that direction. some improvements i can see to restore balance between these weapons (even if balance is not needed, we are not playing CS:GO) :

 

- mosin will not take a LRS anymore in a few updates, so it will be PU or nothing, reducing the effectiveness of the mosin to 400-500m. i heard that mosin might still be able to take the LRS but with a special rail adapter.

- real 1337 sniping will be bound to weapons like SVD and winchester, but i can see those weapons be really rare (SVD at russian heli crash, winchester at civilian weapon spawn but really rare too).

- CR527 will accept the new hunting scope we saw in leaked files, making it usable in sniping conditions (still hope the 7.62*39 will be hard to control at long range because of his curvy trajectory). i hope it will make it usable from 0 to 800m. but with the curvy trajectory you'll have to be good at range calculation to hit target far away.

- CR 527 need to spawn some times with magazine.

- SKS need to stop spawning everywhere, make it military spawn only, no more sks in the little yellow and blue log house. this weapon is too common an OP, no mag, good at short/medium range, powerfull... i only drop a SKS for an m4 with attachements or a mosin with LRS if i have a backup weapon.

 

with these changes, i can see skilled players using the CR527 as an easy to get sniper rifle. noobs should not be able to use it with ease after 300m.

 

ps : jeeps wreck are a wonderfull source of 7.62*39 rounds in civilians area ;)

[Deathlove 2286]

But not to mention that weapons need to start having a chance to spawn with the magazines, that would also really help this rifle. And an optic to put on it also wouldn't hurt.

Rarity of the items for the gun are not so much of an issue for me as the stopping power currently combined with reloading time.

[Deathlove 2286]

The Mosin is much, much better with a scope. Are you high?

No I stated both with and without. Are you?

[Rags! 1966]

No I stated both with and without. Are you?

 

 You said "And yes the mosin which i didn't mention is just as good with or without the scope."

 

Emphasis on the "is just as good with or without the scope".

 

Especially the "Is just as good" bit. 

 

The sentence that you typed means that the Mosin is just as good without a scope as it is with a scope. 

So, yes. I am high. High on knowledge.

[Deathlove 2286]

 You said "And yes the mosin which i didn't mention is just as good with or without the scope."

 

Emphasis on the "is just as good with or without the scope".

 

Especially the "Is just as good" bit. 

 

The sentence that you typed means that the Mosin is just as good without a scope as it is with a scope. 

So, yes. I am high. High on knowledge.

In terms of using the iron sights i feel the mosin is slightly better. The carbine jars pretty violently after each reload while trying to aim.

[Deathlove 2286]

- mosin will not take a LRS anymore in a few updates, so it will be PU or nothing, reducing the effectiveness of the mosin to 400-500m. i heard that mosin might still be able to take the LRS but with a special rail adapter.

Actually that might not be a bad idea. At least it would still give ppl options rather than taking a feature away. Rail systems are already pretty damn rare as is for assault rifles so i could see this.

[Wookieenoob 191]

never fired this weapon in PVP situation in about 500h of gameplay... for the reason you mentionned above but more specifically because the magazine is too hard to find.

 

i think this rifle will be viable in a close future. devs are going in that direction. some improvements i can see to restore balance between these weapons (even if balance is not needed, we are not playing CS:GO) :

 

- mosin will not take a LRS anymore in a few updates, so it will be PU or nothing, reducing the effectiveness of the mosin to 400-500m. i heard that mosin might still be able to take the LRS but with a special rail adapter.

- real 1337 sniping will be bound to weapons like SVD and winchester, but i can see those weapons be really rare (SVD at russian heli crash, winchester at civilian weapon spawn but really rare too).

- CR527 will accept the new hunting scope we saw in leaked files, making it usable in sniping conditions (still hope the 7.62*39 will be hard to control at long range because of his curvy trajectory). i hope it will make it usable from 0 to 800m. but with the curvy trajectory you'll have to be good at range calculation to hit target far away.

- CR 527 need to spawn some times with magazine.

- SKS need to stop spawning everywhere, make it military spawn only, no more sks in the little yellow and blue log house. this weapon is too common an OP, no mag, good at short/medium range, powerfull... i only drop a SKS for an m4 with attachements or a mosin with LRS if i have a backup weapon.

 

with these changes, i can see skilled players using the CR527 as an easy to get sniper rifle. noobs should not be able to use it with ease after 300m.

 

ps : jeeps wreck are a wonderfull source of 7.62*39 rounds in civilians area ;)

 

the one time i bothered to pick up a CR i found a mag for it. it quickly became a favourite of mine OVER the SKS. 

 

the SKS does need to spawn WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY less. if you just walk around for an hour you find 5. 

 

CR should -usually- spawn with an empty mag, but with a mag. 

 

will the LRS be gone? 

[Deathlove 2286]

the one time i bothered to pick up a CR i found a mag for it. it quickly became a favourite of mine OVER the SKS. 

 

the SKS does need to spawn WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY less. if you just walk around for an hour you find 5. 

 

CR should -usually- spawn with an empty mag, but with a mag. 

 

will the LRS be gone? 

I agree that the SKS should be toned down to a point. But not so rare its harder to find than a RAK or an M4A1.

 

I don't think the developers have plans to outright delete the scope. It would make more sense to transfer it to a new batch of weapons or at the very least make it harder to come by i would assume.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

totally wrong

 

 

mags spawn at civ houses with 5 rounds.

 

 

cr with mag>mosin

 

It isn't "totally wrong". You can find the 5 round mags, and you can find the SKS stripper clips with 10 rounds at civilian spawns. But they are both still very rare, and compared to the fact that you can pick up a mosin and almost unlimited amount of rounds at the same places (the ammo spawns in boxes of 20 or in random piles in all civilian weapon spawns), or a Blaze, or a repeater, the incentive to use this gun is not great.

 

And how is CR with mag better than mosin? You can apply scopes to mosin, it holds 5 rounds without the need of finding a mag, the ammo can be found everywhere, it has high damage.

Edited March 13, 2015 by BadAsh

[Wookieenoob 191]

It isn't "totally wrong". You can find the 5 round mags, and you can find the SKS stripper clips with 10 rounds at civilian spawns. But they are both still very rare, and compared to the fact that you can pick up a mosin and almost unlimited amount of rounds at the same places (the ammo spawns in boxes of 20 or in random piles in all civilian weapon spawns), or a Blaze, or a repeater, the incentive to use this gun is not great.

 

And how is CR with mag better than mosin? You can apply scopes to mosin, it holds 5 rounds without the need of finding a mag, the ammo can be found everywhere, it has high damage.

 

if you have two you can reload them with R

 

so you could fire two sets of 5 rounds faster than with mosin

 

 

that's about it. the same as having two stripper clips. 

Edited March 13, 2015 by Wookieenoob

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

if you have two you can reload them with R

 

so you could fire two sets of 5 rounds faster than with mosin

 

 

that's about it. the same as having two stripper clips. 

 

So you do not consider the fact that not only is one mag extremely difficult to find compared to mosin ammo, two mags is almost impossible if you really want them. But not only that, if you should be so extremely lucky to find 2 mags, as soon as you have spend those 10 rounds, you will have difficulty finding extra ammo to reload them with.

 

Again, this is not a problem with the mosin. Still you claim that the CR is better because itis slightly faster to reload by exchanging a mag than manually reloading 5 rounds? It may be, but the scenario you propose for the CR is close to utopia. As such I do not see how the CR is better than the mosin in this calculation at all.