Time to ditch the Torch/Flashlight

[AlfalphaCat 66]

If it was up to me (good thing it's not) server time would be fixed to location as it was when the mod was first released.

If it was full moon when I looked out of my window, so it was on the server I played, the only way to work around that was to play on some far flung US server.

Not really a problem in the summer time (Paris/Frankfart*/Prague) but the winter nights were/are long and hard.

 

Long live the torch and the long life battery within her.

Vive le lampe du poche !

 

 

I really miss this feature from the mod.  So cool to play all night and the sun is rising in game as well as real life.  Navigating by the stars too.  We always dreaded when there was a New Moon.

 

That being said, most of the lighting tools available to us were better in the mod, and some had more than one utility.  Like distracting zeds with flares.

 

 

Have you guys not played on a night server recently.  Night time was adjusted quite a bit, sure inside buildings a light source helps, but out side even while being cloudy, it is perfectly fine to not use a flashlight.  No gamma hacks required.

 

Too damned hard to find night time on servers right now.  They all just restart when it gets dark, or are totally empty, which is just no fun.

[Count_Grishnackh 65]

I can haz buttplug instead of dildo plz?

[harteman 155]

Alright. How do you charge your phone without electricity? Also keep in mind that the point where you start in the game is quite some time into the apocalypse so it's not like you charged it to full just the day before.

True that, but can you explain the usage of gasoline then, if it makes it into the game?  Seems like the trucks would stop delivering that, being the apocalypse and all.

[Jex 1104]

I don't like the mindset people have regarding the flashlight. Instead of being happy to be given a flashlight and even a battery that might help not being completely lost at night they go "flashlight is useless - I want something else".

 

You are actually supposed to start out with nothing - with your "starting gear" being the stuff you will find at the nearest loot spawns. If anything they should just remove the flashlight (to stop people from wanting more/better gear) and randomize clothes (only the lowest tier civilian shirts, pants and shoes).

 

Sorry but I don't buy that. It's not authentic.

[Jex 1104]

Just a thought but in accordance with this in the event a GPS control segment run by Department of Defense goes dark, the older satellites will retain functionality for roughly 14 days.  The updated Block II-A sats, can monitor each others positions independently off the ground.  That said they are designed to retain 16 meter positional accuracy for up to 180 days.  My main thought is even with a certain area locked down all defenses run by each military would most likely keep ground control up until the absolute demise in every country in order to ensure attacks of all forms were available.  So your looking at quite some time of sat GPS coverage even if everyone is brain dead around you.

 

Remember the MOD had GPS and if you want to go down the route of reality then every nuclear power station is in meltdown right now and you're going to die of radiation poisoning.

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I quite liked the point someone on here made some time ago.

 

You only have a flashlight on you so new players wouldn't be completely lost upon logging onto a night server. If it wasn't for that, you would start out with nothing.

 

 

 

What's the point of a mobile phone? There is no carrier coverage without electricity.

 

This.

 

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[Jex 1104]

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[Jex 1104]

 

No internet = no upload = no reason to take selfies. 

 

 

Chernarus is poor, I think you would have to put some considerable time into finding one. 

 

 

Not as poor as Africa and yet they all cell phones.

[Jex 1104]

You don't like the flashlight but think that one of the items you should spawn with are a flashlight? 

 

No. The point of the post, missed by a lot of people was to randomise the starting gear to low level stuff, the flashlight being one such thing.

 

Presumably you have no issue with the dildo as you didn't mention it - that's rather telling.....

[Jex 1104]

Well, that's true. You'd never really sleep, I guess, unless you had a few trusted and capable mates standing guard. But if you were on your own, I don;t think you'd EVER move about in the dark unless you had no choice.

 

Except danger doesn't pick a time and if it does, it's more likely to be in daytime than at night time.

[General Zod 1118]

Jexter, either use edit or take your ADHD meds. 

[Jex 1104]

Unless that car has been running with the alternator charging the battery on a reasonably regular basis the battery will die. I left my car off the road and within a month of not driving it the battery was dead. So no, a car is not a viable answer at this point in the apocalypse. If we don't have to find a way to charge the car battery when vehicles get introduced I'd be disappointed.

 

So in a zombie apocalypse you're going to ignore all vehicles and just run around on foot? Nope and chances are, you'll going to pull out a butt load of batteries and other spare parts to store wherever you set up base. Most new, modern cars will run for years without having anything done to them so as long as you keep using them, you'll have power for you phone for years to come.

[General Zod 1118]

Most new, modern cars will run for years without having anything done to them so as long as you keep using them, you'll have power for you phone for years to come.

No they won't, if they are left unused for months especially when it gets coder, the battery will die. 

Besides phone is useless

No calls

No GPS

Phone flash light is weak and will drain your battery mighty fast

Photo taking for immersion. Why put my gun away to take a screen with a phone  when I can do it with one key ? Oh yes immersion.

Edited October 23, 2014 by General Zod

[Finchtastic 50]

Alright. How do you charge your phone without electricity? Also keep in mind that the point where you start in the game is quite some time into the apocalypse so it's not like you charged it to full just the day before.

If it's quite some time into the apocolypse, then why does my toon spawn in a Tshirt in 0 degree weather?  If it were, in fact, quite some time into the apocolypse, he'd be long since frozen.

[General Zod 1118]

If it's quite some time into the apocolypse, then why does my toon spawn in a Tshirt in 0 degree weather?  If it were, in fact, quite some time into the apocolypse, he'd be long since frozen.

To force you to look for warm clothes, you know at some this game will in fact become a survival game.

[Finchtastic 50]

To force you to look for warm clothes, you know at some this game will in fact become a survival game.

Apparently one that is logically backwards...How one can survive for "quite some time" without warm clothes is beyond me...But hey, I got a flashlight!!!!  He must have just shined the light on himself for warmth that ENTIRE time...GIve me a break, it makes no sense and you know it.

[Jex 1104]

No they won't, if they are left unused for months especially when it gets coder, the battery will die. 

Besides phone is useless

No calls

No GPS

Phone flash light is weak and will drain your battery mighty fast

Photo taking for immersion. Why put my gun away to take a screen with a phone  when I can do it with one key ? Oh yes immersion.

 

Go back and read what I actually wrote rather than making things up. In fact, let me do it for you. Here's what you couldn't be bothered to read making me have to spell it out for you....

 

Most new, modern cars will run for years without having anything done to them so as long as you keep using them, you'll have power for you phone for years to come.

 

Since GPS is going to be in the game, there is GPS.

Got no use for the time, date, calendar and notebook then?

Don't want to listen to music or watch old videos of friends and family you took? The one of your Ex where you're doing the dirty? ;)

[General Zod 1118]

Apparently one that is logically backwards...How one can survive for "quite some time" without warm clothes is beyond me...But hey, I got a flashlight!!!!  He must have just shined the light on himself for warmth that ENTIRE time...GIve me a break, it makes no sense and you know it.

Yes it's called game play before realism. Which is why you don't start ready to survive for months. 

 

Go back and read what I actually wrote rather than making things up. In fact, let me do it for you. Here's what you couldn't be bothered to read making me have to spell it out for you....

 

Most new, modern cars will run for years without having anything done to them so as long as you keep using them, you'll have power for you phone for years to come.

 

Since GPS is going to be in the game, there is GPS.

Got no use for the time, date, calendar and notebook then?

Don't want to listen to music or watch old videos of friends and family you took? The one of your Ex where you're doing the dirty? ;)

Who is using those cars ? If it's only us the players there ? 

Who gives two shits about exact time or calendar ? What you have dentist appointment ? 

Want note book ? Pen and paper.

No I don't. I'm a not social media person. And I don't keep pictures of ex.  

No I don't want to listen to music, makes me unable to hear other players. 

Edited October 23, 2014 by General Zod

[Finchtastic 50]

Yes it's called game play before realism. Which is why you don't start ready to survive for months. 

I agree with you, but it's what the mod said.  He said that he agreed with the idea that if it weren't for freshies spawning into night servers, we'd start with nothing.  Then on his next post he says that it's "quite some time into the apocolypse".  Both of these cannot be possible.  Either you spawn with nothing, which cannot possibly be "quite some time in" or you'd be dead, or you spawn with maybe a LITTLE something...A jacket, a hoodie, ANYTHING and make the idea you claim actually believable. 

[Jex 1104]

Yes it's called game play before realism. Which is why you don't start ready to survive for months. 

 

Who is using those cars ? If it's only us the players there ? 

Who gives two shits about exact time or calendar ? What you have dentist appointment ? 

Want note book ? Pen and paper.

No I don't. I'm a not social media person. And I don't keep pictures of ex.  

No I don't want to listen to music, makes me unable to hear other players. 

 

Yeah can't think of any use for a calendar.....

 

 

So you agree that players use cars and as a player, you can use a car but your brain can't take the next step to work out that the car you're using can charge your phone?

 

Are you fucking serious, dude?

[General Zod 1118]

Yeah can't think of any use for a calendar.....

 

 

So you agree that players use cars and as a player, you can use a car but your brain can't take the next step to work out that the car you're using can charge your phone?

 

Are you fucking serious, dude?

No I say that the car will only have juice if other real life player took time and effort to make it have juice. Ergo 90% of the cars you find will not have juice, because you will be the first player to find them. Unless someone found a car, made it working a for some reason left it. 

I'm just against the idea of phones. 

[Accolyte 1727]

No. The point of the post, missed by a lot of people was to randomise the starting gear to low level stuff, the flashlight being one such thing.

 

Presumably you have no issue with the dildo as you didn't mention it - that's rather telling.....

 

The point that you missed is that there is no starting gear. The flashlight is there for a tutorial purpose to teach players about simple crafting and let them see stuff at night. Nothing else. It is likely that it will disappear as well once night time is adjusted by the devs or there are different way of handling tutorials.

 

If it's quite some time into the apocolypse, then why does my toon spawn in a Tshirt in 0 degree weather?  If it were, in fact, quite some time into the apocolypse, he'd be long since frozen.

 

Please read through the thread before asking a question that has been answered.

[Jex 1104]

I'm just against the idea of phones. 

 

Oh ok so you don't have a reasonable argument, you just don't want them.

 

 

 

The point that you missed is that there is no starting gear. The flashlight is there for a tutorial purpose to teach players about simple crafting and let them see stuff at night. Nothing else. It is likely that it will disappear as well once night time is adjusted by the devs or there are different way of handling tutorials.

 

 

Please read through the thread before asking a question that has been answered.

 

I'm not buying it's there to teach crafting without a source for that claim.

 

I'm saying why not start with the possibility of having one item. If it's done where mostly you start with nothing, like 70% of the time, it'll be a nice little bonus when you do and add a little bit of difference to spawning fresh again.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Jexter

[General Zod 1118]

Oh ok so you don't have a reasonable argument, you just don't want them.

 

I do

If they implement actual GPS, phones are useless. For anything other than taking pictures for "immersion" and listening to music. You have normal flash light and weapon flash light as a source of the light. 

So it's not worth the effort to add phones, chargers, and all the mechanics involved. 

Edited October 23, 2014 by General Zod

[Evil Minion 943]

Sorry but I don't buy that. It's not authentic.

Any given way of spawning would be unauthentic because people suddenly appear out of thin air. But spawning with (almost) nothing and finding your starting gear at the nearest loot spawns makes sense from a gameplay perspective. On the other side giving fresh spawns more and better items at start would be bad as its less of a progress to actually find something and respawning would actually increase your gear status above that of someone who just lost his/her belongings.

 

Also I think "I woke up at the beach with nothing but a few clothes and no memory of how I got there" is enough authenticity for our purpose. Maybe the spawning gear should be in bad condition as well to represent that something happened to you.