Clothes & Temperature

[brazorf 46]

I couldn't decide how to use the thermometer, I was also concerned where it had been used last. I didn't have any alcohol to cleans it with so I left it alone. Ewww...

 

lol

[Conrad_The_Comrade 577]

But yet sadly it is mostly the truth. I've put a decent amount of hours in on this patch, and can honestly say the only thing that warms me up is a down jacket in at least worn condition. Even pristine wool coats = cooling off, though the pristine gorka I have now seems to keep me above freezing but in the "cold" zone and constantly "cooling off". Now, I don't bounce around a lot of servers, and tend to play on only three or four - so it is possible that this isn't the case on all servers given some of the responses here.

 

Yea, the sarcasm was mostly in the wet=die part. If you can get a fire started outside, you can get warmed up. But I have frozen twice because no fire could be started outside (literally impossible in the rain), doesn't work inside, and under rain shelters like outdoor overhead garages apparently counts as "indoors". Super frustrating to be wearing warm clothes, sitting mainly inside a building wringing out clothes and/or switching to dry ones, and slowly dying for a half hour plus scrambling around trying to make a fire.

 

I think the new system is awesome and love it, it just needs some tweaks. For starters, you should be able to get a fire started in the rain (maybe need a wind shield, more wood, under an overhang, 10x the amount of matches, or whatever). I also  wish personally they'd rework the clothes system a bit so you can layer - treat jackets like they do vests now. You can wear a shirt (tac, long sleeve, checked, tshirt, etc) and then a jacket layer (rider jacket, down jacket, military, vest, etc). This would allow for more layering options if you want to go for survival vs. the straight forward "most pockets" / "military > all" method. A nice flannel shirt + rain jacket SHOULD be a decently warm, good rain protection option!

I've gotten the "I'm warming up" or whatever it is just by gathering a collection of different warm-ish clothing. I've used the Ushanka, gloves, jeans and a rider's jacket and kept warm enough (No cold status). Once it rains, that's a little bit of a pest, but I've never had a problem with it, never died of the cold or anything of the sort. Also, if you think about it, you shouldn't be necessarily warm in a region like Chernarus, it's going to be really cold, that's just normal, it should be rare anyone gets truly warm without use of a fire or rubbing your buttocks against your car engine (When they add cars of course ;) )  

[ebrim 998]

I've gotten the "I'm warming up" or whatever it is just by gathering a collection of different warm-ish clothing. I've used the Ushanka, gloves, jeans and a rider's jacket and kept warm enough (No cold status). Once it rains, that's a little bit of a pest, but I've never had a problem with it, never died of the cold or anything of the sort. Also, if you think about it, you shouldn't be necessarily warm in a region like Chernarus, it's going to be really cold, that's just normal, it should be rare anyone gets truly warm without use of a fire or rubbing your buttocks against your car engine (When they add cars of course ;) )  

 

Well, it depends on the time of year settings of the server. In the summer it should be perfectly possible to get hyperthermic, particularly if you're wearing a lot of heavy equipment and are very active. Going forward we'll probably see much more variability with weather conditions in servers, from warm days to hot ones, to freezing ones.

[JPWiser 251]

My boots got ruined and I got cold immediately.

My server is also sub-zero set in Antarctica apparently...

[General Zod 1118]

Warm 

Freezing 

Warm

 

Seems legit

[hombrecz 832]

I am on stable, and did try split big stone, didn't work out.

So it was either big stone, or death in 10-15 min. My choice was pretty obvious.

 

Off:   Also I am currently mostly involved in Hit Points research, regarding sudden instant death.

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/213065-sudden-instant-death-and-player-hit-points/

 

Yesterday, on experimental, I found small stone when searching rocky ground.

Could sharped machette with it, but only up to damaged. Same with hatchet.

[PongoZ 127]

I have started fires in the open work areas that have a metal roof, and it warmed me up quite quickly.

I have also not ever hurt a firemans axe cutting wood, but it chews up chopping axes almost immediately.

I do not like how any rain at all and your drenched almost immediately. 

Jackets do work, the world worked before gortex. No reason to make it silly, 

But I presume these things are just place holders for final version.

[Grundlesmuggler 41]

I've realized the futility of carrying a bunch of things in your backpack.  With how much food is around you never need to carry it.  You never need to carry drinks.  You don't need to carry any supplies if you have a fire axe and a can opener.  Your first aid bag carries bandages for you.  You don't really need medical supplies past 1 morphine.  There should be plenty of space in your bag for a sawed off and a fireplace kit.  You can wear anything you want because of this.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Grundlesmuggler

[Whyherro123 2283]

I've realized the futility of carrying a bunch of things in your backpack.  With how much food is around you never need to carry it.  You never need to carry drinks.  You don't need to carry any supplies if you have a fire axe and a can opener.  Your first aid bag carries bandages for you.  You don't really need medical supplies past 1 morphine.  There should be plenty of space in your bag for a sawed off and a fireplace kit.  You can wear anything you want because of this.

Just wait until very little canned food spawns, or most standing surface water (streams included!) sources are not safe unless treated. You will carry what food and drinks you find, and carry a container of clean water with you.

When dirty bandages cause minor wounds to develop into debilitating infections, and painkillers take the edge off the shock, and removes trembling.

When running down a hill causes you to fall and twist your ankle, making ankle wraps a necessity ( and good boots even more so).

When hypothermia is actually TERRIFYING (AKA uncontrollable trembling, can't use hands, etc), and is eminently possible, even during the summer.

When the devs remove this utterly pant-on-head stupidity that is "carrying a fireplace, logs and all, in your backpack"

When disgusting meta-gaming ceases, or at the very least, is minimized.

 

When they make survival the end-game, not just something to be concerned about as I gear up to PvP, then I will be content.

 

Cant Wait!

[Grundlesmuggler 41]

Can't wait to meta game that as well.

[Gth 18]

Here's a tip:  Without green bars, you're much more likely to start losing temperature without stop.  I've noticed that once I had the 3 green bars, I stopped getting cold despite not being fully decked out in the known cold prevention gear. (Only had a boonie, a hoodie, jeans and starter shoes).  But once I let my bars go away and here came the yellow cold bar.  Got some food and drink in me, and away it went.  Didn't matter where I was on the map, same experience whether in Novod or Cherno.  Altitude does affect it, as the time I spent on top of Green Tower did end up getting me cold despite green bars.

 

Now, I did still get the near constant stream of messages, but I have a feeling that it's because I sprinted everywhere, so chances are that was just the fluctuations between not sprinting and sprinting.

 

(Granted, I only frequent two different servers.  So this may not apply to every server)

[Robert Neville 59]

The introduction of cold condition made gameplay quite hard.  I wear a bikers jacket in worn condition, and I am freezing my ass off.  And I haven't found an axe so I cannot build a fire. 

[DocWolf 146]

This information here.

 

So, various servers will have different base ambient temperatures based upon what time of year the server thinks or is told it is. This base temperature is then modified by things like elevation, wind and presence of rain. Just it being rainy makes it colder, whether you're wet or not, however if you are wet the degree of warmth your clothing gives you is drastically reduced (if not eliminated entirely). Each piece of clothing has a "warmth" value associated with it, wool coats are warmer than t-shirts, down jackets seem warmer than basically anything (as they should be). Some servers in stable seem to be set to much colder parts of the year than others. In experimental right now all servers are set to "September", so staying warm isn't very difficult though a couple weeks ago it was set to December which lead to mass death and pitiful screams of unplayability. :D

 

At the moment on stable builds ALL servers have the same "month/season" setted as default - if people freeze could be the well-know bug that affects every non-Vilayer server. Allegedly only Vilayer-hosted ones have a working as intended temperature system, others run some kind of bugged version. Allegedly.

 

EXP 0.50(1), also called The Extinction Event, setted the month/season on december/winter...and everyone everywhere died quickly and painfully. EXP 0.50(2) was a little more forgiving and setted the month/season on september/autumn. Current EXP 0.50(3) allegedly is set in august/summer, but it's only slightly less cold than the previous one. In EXP 0.50(2) and 0.50(3)  you can survive easily with a raincoat in the backpack and a simple wool jacket or a wind breaker (tactical shirt or gorka military jacket) on your character. In EXP 0.50(1) anything short of a pristine/worn dow jacket was suicide.

 

If the various experimental bulds we're testing on EXP Servers pass to stable, this could be a decent clothing-warm scale:

 

• long sleeved shirt/tracksuit (only slightly better than t-shirt)
• hoodie (useful if you don't find anything heavier, but there are better items)
• tactical shirt/gorka military shirt (essentially soft shells, the tactical one seems to be slightly better waterproofed but don't quote me on that)
• wool jacket (warm, but 90 times on 100 hideously visible from kilometers and useless if soaked)
• dow jacket (very warm but useless if damp or soaked)

This, of course, if you simply want to stay warm: if you want good camouflage or good storage space the priority list changes. On a more general note, in EXP builds a good survivor now brings AT LEAST one more clothing item in the backpack: the raincoat. On the dreaded EXP 0.50(1) set on december/winter I was prowling Chernarus with a dow jacket on my character, a raincoat AND a wool jacket in the backpack and everything needed for a fire on me. Very little space for tons of ammo, drum mags and all that silly gizmos - priority was warm clothes, then food, then bottles/canteens, then stuff to open tins/cook food/make a fire, then eventually some ammo. But deciding between another can of tactical bacon and an additional box of ammo was easy: food first.

 

If those experimental builds pass on stable expect another shift in playing style: with all those changes on calories consumption, stomach capacity and temperature surviving is becoming more and more important.

Edited October 17, 2014 by DocWolf

[General Zod 1118]

@DocWolf

Gorka jacket is 100% waterproof. 

[DocWolf 146]

Not on EXP builds. I've been damp/wet/soaked when wearing tactical shirts or gorka stuff - they seem to be slightly water resistant, as in they take some times to register the "damp" and then "wet"/"soaked" status...but they're not waterproof. The only proper waterproof item is the raincoat: tactical/gorka shirts seem to be simple soft shells/windbreakers.

Edited October 17, 2014 by DocWolf

[Schweinsteiger 107]

I wish this game would do away with the silly no UI shit and just give us a temperature icon, food , water, energy icons. Clean, small and effective.

 

nope, we have.."I feel this" "I feel that"

 

The mod had indicators, noone complained, they were good.

Nah, then it would be cluttered and destroy the atmosphere of the game. The only grip I have is there isn't a "group" or "team up" options with friends which means you can sometimes wind up shooting your buddies in the heat of combat. 

Edited October 17, 2014 by Schweinsteiger

[SamualACarver 7]

I have been having a very hard time keeping warm and have died of hypothermia a few times. One of my characters is right now near death. I have a down jacket on and my clothes are at worse worn. I have all bright green bars and can not get warm. When I played last the server I was on it was raining. I built a fire under a tree but the fire did absolutely nothing. I actually stood in the middle of the fire and nothing happened. Does rain somehow make fire not hot? I've tried everything I could think of. I tried lighting one of the portable stoves to warm my character up (inside a building so it should have worked better) and it did nothing at all even when I stood on top of it. How exactly am I supposed to warm my character up?

[SamualACarver 7]

 

• wool jacket (warm, but 90 times on 100 hideously visible from kilometers and useless if soaked)

This is not like real life at all. Wool is the best material there is for keeping you warm when it is wet. Wool retains about 80% of its insulating ability even when soaking wet.

[General Zod 1118]

Not on EXP builds. I've been damp/wet/soaked when wearing tactical shirts or gorka stuff - they seem to be slightly water resistant, as in they take some times to register the "damp" and then "wet"/"soaked" status...but they're not waterproof. The only proper waterproof item is the raincoat: tactical/gorka shirts seem to be simple soft shells/windbreakers.

Fantastic...

[DocWolf 146]

This is not like real life at all. Wool is the best material there is for keeping you warm when it is wet. Wool retains about 80% of its insulating ability even when soaking wet.

 

Balancing issues, I think - they have to present some irrealistic choices for the sake of playability. Even insta-healed fractures or starvation after 10 minutes from the last can of beans consumed aren't exactly "realistic". Anyway, everything I wrote come from my personal experience in playing experimental - wet/soaked wool jackets seem to stop warming my character. I don't have access to hard data, so take what I wrote with a pinch of salt.

Edited October 17, 2014 by DocWolf

[Whyherro123 2283]

This is not like real life at all. Wool is the best material there is for keeping you warm when it is wet. Wool retains about 80% of its insulating ability even when soaking wet.

I've climbed mountains during the dead of winter with little more than wool pants, a wool sweater, gloves and a cap. I was overheating.

 

WOOL IS BEST CLOTH