Living off the land challenge

[kimmaz 63]

No to mention that right now you can solve all your eat and drink problems just by clicking 'search for apples' for like an hour. ;)

 

Can you search the same tree multiple times and find something? I assumed if I didn't find anything that the tree didn't have any apples on it ^^ Or do you just know of a field of trees? 

[doctorwhy 157]

I've been playing a slightly modified version like this since 0.48 when I am alone.  When I am in my group we're out to make trouble LOL.

 

It's near impossible right now COOKING IS BROKEN :(
I've managed to get one batch of beef cooked but it's broken again.  i've tried low pop, high pop, making the fire pit using sticks first vs cloth first.  Batches of food over 40% under 40%. I'm going to be forced to eat food from a city or town.  I've had this character since the wipe last week and doing pretty well.  I think I found a spot on the map to call home base too (for now)!

Edited September 25, 2014 by DoctorWhy

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

Can you search the same tree multiple times and find something? I assumed if I didn't find anything that the tree didn't have any apples on it ^^ Or do you just know of a field of trees? 

 

There are many orchards, off the top of my head I can recall a bigger one near Berezino (NE of the construction site, S of the lumber mill) and in Dubrovka (at the intersection of the N-S road and the one to Berezino). You can and in fact you should search them multiple times, that's how they work. You should find something (as with berry bushes) within 10 attempts and one tree can provide several apples. I haven't tested it enough to say if you deplete any particular tree and it stops yielding any fruit at some point or decreases your chances, but very often you can just eat 2-3 apples and move to another tree. Usually they come in bunches of at least a few, like in Msta or Dolina.

 

It's a drugdery, sure, but I do that sometimes when I'm a freshie and want to be more 'realistic' - you know, I'm hungry so yeah, I'd rather eat something before I embark on any adventure. :)

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

you can sharpen a 'badly damaged' axe/knife back to 'damaged' state.

And how does this work?  I tried with a couple of buddies and we couldn't do anything with the stone.

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

I've been playing a slightly modified version like this since 0.48 when I am alone.  When I am in my group we're out to make trouble LOL.

 

It's near impossible right now COOKING IS BROKEN :(

I've managed to get one batch of beef cooked but it's broken again.  i've tried low pop, high pop, making the fire pit using sticks first vs cloth first.  Batches of food over 40% under 40%. I'm going to be forced to eat food from a city or town.  I've had this character since the wipe last week and doing pretty well.  I think I found a spot on the map to call home base too (for now)!

 

I'm not sure what you mean by cooking being broken. It's still true that the portable gas stove immediately burns all the food (I haven't tried it in .49 but heard no news it got fixed), but cooking in a campfire works perfect for me. Also, I'm not sure about that sticks vs cloth first - you just need to combine them and add at least one firewood. The time of cooking varies greatly in my experience even with the same amount of wood/stone - from 3 to even 11 minutes. But this is certainly affected by how much wood/stone you used, prepare to spend some time watching your steaks if you used only 1 firewood.

 

As for the percentages - one of the must-haves for a hunter-gatherer is a kitchen knife (or a machete, which is unfortunately bigger) of at least worn condition. Remember it gets used up when quartering animals and cutting fish. A new pristine knife yields ca 90% food, it drops by several per cent per quartering even as the knife remains pristine. After many quarterings this drops to ca 50% and the condition becomes worn. I never use any damaged or worse knives. And when I have space, I try to carry 2 pristine knives. You can find some in apartment blocks in Novo (the ones with a big staircase), upstairs in kitchens, along with gas canisters and other cooking stuff.

 

Cooking stuff seems like a waste of time compared to finding beans and peaches, but although the exact stats for steaks and fillets are yet to be published, I find them very nourishing, with a lot of hydration as well and taking really little volume of your stomach. Once, when I was already quite well-fed, I ate like 10 boar/deer steaks of 60% and still wasn't stuffed. However, I was light-green energized for many many hours and could safely ignore found cans.

 

Another tip: if you are worried about the condition of your axe, remember that the size of a tree trunk affects how many chops you need to fall it. Try to chop apple trees, they give only 2 firewoods but need less chops and your axe lasts longer.

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

And how does this work?  I tried with a couple of buddies and we couldn't do anything with the stone.

 

The axe must be 'badly damaged'. Just drag a stone over it in your inventory to sharpen the axe to 'damaged'.

[doctorwhy 157]

I'm not sure what you mean by cooking being broken. It's still true that the portable gas stove immediately burns all the food (I haven't tried it in .49 but heard no news it got fixed), but cooking in a campfire works perfect for me. Also, I'm not sure about that sticks vs cloth first - you just need to combine them and add at least one firewood. The time of cooking varies greatly in my experience even with the same amount of wood/stone - from 3 to even 11 minutes. But this is certainly affected by how much wood/stone you used, prepare to spend some time watching your steaks if you used only 1 firewood.

 

As for the percentages - one of the must-haves for a hunter-gatherer is a kitchen knife (or a machete, which is unfortunately bigger) of at least worn condition. Remember it gets used up when quartering animals and cutting fish. A new pristine knife yields ca 90% food, it drops by several per cent per quartering even as the knife remains pristine. After many quarterings this drops to ca 50% and the condition becomes worn. I never use any damaged or worse knives. And when I have space, I try to carry 2 pristine knives. You can find some in apartment blocks in Novo (the ones with a big staircase), upstairs in kitchens, along with gas canisters and other cooking stuff.

 

Cooking stuff seems like a waste of time compared to finding beans and peaches, but although the exact stats for steaks and fillets are yet to be published, I find them very nourishing, with a lot of hydration as well and taking really little volume of your stomach. Once, when I was already quite well-fed, I ate like 10 boar/deer steaks of 60% and still wasn't stuffed. However, I was light-green energized for many many hours and could safely ignore found cans.

 

Another tip: if you are worried about the condition of your axe, remember that the size of a tree trunk affects how many chops you need to fall it. Try to chop apple trees, they give only 2 firewoods but need less chops and your axe lasts longer.

 

I know how to cook with just the fire.  I haven't been able to cook anything for quite some time. I've even left it for 20 minutes.  well over the time it takes to cook any of the meat.

I tried different ways just incase there is something in the code that may be the culprit or something can work.  It seems as though it may be the temperature system since patch.  Im right beside the fire and it still says I am cooling down.  According to a video online the temperature before breaking was colder more to the west so I am even trying traveling east.

No meat is cooking for me for some reason.  :/ maybe it's just something buggy with this toon and maybe when I die it'll go back to normal...but...i can't hunt anymore *cry*

 

I will do smaller trees if they're around where I need to warm up or cook. thanks for that tip!

Edited September 25, 2014 by DoctorWhy

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I found that adding 8 stones to my fire increased my cooking times drastically. It used to take me at least 5 minutes to cook a piece of meat and now it only takes 1 or 2. Also, the temperature of the day and placement of your fire seems to have some effect, when it's cold and you see your breath it takes longer, or if you build your fire on the top of a hill where your matches keep going out.

 

I'm pretty sure cloth or paper doesn't make a difference, they both create the same firepit object. I don't even bother building a fire every time anymore, I just cook my food, pull the wood off the fire and store the whole pit in my pack, its actually smaller to carry the whole fire pit than to carry 1 rock(which I use to sharpen my blades), and surprisingly it's not considered hot like when you put a hot cookpot in your pack. I'm sure it will change in the future, and I'll have to dump a canteen on it or something.

[AlfalphaCat 66]

I know how to cook with just the fire.  I haven't been able to cook anything for quite some time. I've even left it for 20 minutes.  well over the time it takes to cook any of the meat.

I tried different ways just incase there is something in the code that may be the culprit or something can work.  It seems as though it may be the temperature system since patch.  Im right beside the fire and it still says I am cooling down.  According to a video online the temperature before breaking was colder more to the west so I am even trying traveling east.

No meat is cooking for me for some reason.  :/ maybe it's just something buggy with this toon and maybe when I die it'll go back to normal...but...i can't hunt anymore *cry*

 

I will do smaller trees if they're around where I need to warm up or cook. thanks for that tip!

 

 

Is your fire indoors?  That may be the problem as fires indoors are not producing heat.

Edited September 25, 2014 by AlfalphaCat

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I only read the OP, but how are you going to skin and quarter what you hunt? You can't do that with an axe. ;)

Also, this style of surviving becomes just as boring as searching the odd house. Even more so, really. Every house is like a potential miniature lottery. :D

Edited September 25, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[Parazight 1599]

 

Anyone else want to take up the challenge, or have you done something similar?

I've done something similar.

 

It was in previous builds, so I didn't have to worry about weather at the time.  Anyway, I've challenged myself to see how geared up I could get just by looting other people.  The exception was food, water, and collecting rags/bandages. 

 

It's fun imposing these sort of challenges because the pve aspect of the game so far is dreadfully easy.

 

Your challenge reminds me of .48 experimental.  Maybe it was .47.  Like when stuff wasn't spawning and everything was empty.  All you could do is drink water and pick apples.

Edited September 25, 2014 by Parazight

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

Clan: Oh hey, the water traders are here!

Traders: nope, not this time, just passing through.

Clan: What!? Why?

Traders: Some of your guys knocked over one of our caravans and killed some of our guys. You won't be getting any water soon, at least from us, until you publicly apologize (On the forums, maybe?) and pay us restitution. 

 

That's the game I want to play, to bad it's never going to happen with people being the asshats they are.

[rybec 339]

Point #2 is very interesting, as it opens the possibility of clans taking control of said spigots, then charging other players for the use.

I like how you're thinking but I'll tell you how it'd play out ingame.

 

You're running to a known area for clean water, your canteen is empty.

Stumbling out of the woods you make a beeline for the well. You have no weapons, just clothes and a backpack.

As you round the corner, colours catch your eye around the tap. Three men are leaning against the building having a chat as they spot you as well.

 

You throw your arms in the air above your head "Don't shoot! I am unarmed! I just want a drink! I'm willing to trad-"

Your sentence is cut short as one of the men aimed their rifle at you and sent a 7.62x54r bullet through your chest.

As you lay on the ground staring at the sky the three of them stand over your body.

 

"Hah! Get rekt bitch!" is the last thing you hear before they shoot you once more.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I only read the OP, but how are you going to skin and quarter what you hunt? You can't do that with an axe. ;)

Also, this style of surviving becomes just as boring as searching the odd house. Even more so, really. Every house is like a potential miniature lottery. :D

 

Using a knife, the challenge is to only use an axe as a weapon, you can have other tools. Knife & matches are pretty much a requirement for this challenge.

 

I still search houses & other buildings while doing this, I just don't pick up the food items anymore.

Edited September 25, 2014 by bad_mojo

[doctorwhy 157]

Is your fire indoors?  That may be the problem as fires indoors are not producing heat.

That's very strange.  Inside is broken outside is not.  At least I can go back to hunting again

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Today at work I thought up a few more ways to challenge ourselves in this manner.

 

-Can only hunt rabbits.

-Can't hunt until hungry.

-All food must be consumed immediately.

-Can't look for water until thirsty.

-Water must be boiled(simulated by boiling a cooking pot) or purified with tablets(have to keep track of how many you use, then drop them when out.)

-Can't hunt or drink in the same place back to back.

[bonesnap 75]

Protip: Wells are manmade and would invalidate living off the land, and berries/apples are natural and should be included.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Protip: Wells are manmade and would invalidate living off the land, and berries/apples are natural and should be included.

 

In this video game natural water is only attainable from ponds or catching it in a canteen. I can't setup a system of leaves to gather water, I can't squeeze moss for water, I can't dig in wet ground, I can't collect from puddles, I can't find plants that contain water, I can't destill my urine to make water, I can't collect rain water from buckets and other places you would find it puddling in an urban environment.

 

Also, like I said in an earlier post, the north part of the map that is being worked on has no ponds added yet, so either I stick to the boring south that I have spent hundreds of hours roaming, or I can include wells and explore some new areas where I can potentially get lost. The idea is to challenge yourself, if you feel like the wells shouldn't be included, feel free to exclude them.

Edited September 26, 2014 by bad_mojo

[sachad 1016]

If you're gonna go on technicalities, picking apples should be disallowed too, because those orchards were planted. Also, you can't use knives to skin and quarter animals. Shit, you can't even kill them because there is no weapon in the game that isn't (partially) man-made. Also, be sure to drop all your clothes, backpacks and other items. No taking shelter in houses, sheds, barns or even hunting posts, obviously. Oh, and no tents either! 

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

That's very strange.  Inside is broken outside is not.  At least I can go back to hunting again

 

I just checked both options, indoors and outdoors, and both cook my steaks just fine. I'm pretty sure when people say fire is broken indoors, they only mean its warming up feature.

 

Now I'm quite positive the cooking time is greatly randomized. With 1 Firewood it could be as many as 11 minutes, today it was only 2 minutes and I burned 5 juicy boar steaks. :/

[Kirov (DayZ) 585]

Today at work I thought up a few more ways to challenge ourselves in this manner.

 

-Can only hunt rabbits.

 

I though rabbits are super scarce and hard to spot? I have yet to see and eat my first one.

[barnabus 1708]

I'd still carry a canteen and if you are going to do this then you should get into the habit of using the water purification tablets now.  I know they don't do anything yet but in the future this is going to be an imperative.  May as well get used to it so when the time comes you'll already have a leg up.  Good luck!

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I though rabbits are super scarce and hard to spot? I have yet to see and eat my first one.

 

I've killed and eaten a couple, but I will admit I located them by sound while hunting for bigger game.

 

I'm not sure I'm going to include the rabbit only rule in my challenge, I'm going to try the other parts of it first and if I master that I'll do rabbits only.

[AlfalphaCat 66]

I've killed and eaten a couple, but I will admit I located them by sound while hunting for bigger game.

 

I'm not sure I'm going to include the rabbit only rule in my challenge, I'm going to try the other parts of it first and if I master that I'll do rabbits only.

 

 

You would just get rabbit starvation anyways, if that was actually a thing in game.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

The point of hunting only rabbits is to add a bit of a challenge to hunting, because they're so hard to find. If rabbit starvation was a thing in this game, we could simply eat some vitamins and pick a couple apples to get the other nutrients we need.

Edited September 26, 2014 by bad_mojo