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[pillock 850]

Maybe not for casual caliber illiterate, but certainly does for knowledgeable players, who enjoy some resemblance to realism as well.

 

As a proud casual calibre illiterate myself, I'd just like to say: the more variations the better, far as I'm concerned.

 

Long as the same level of detail is afforded to other gameplay elements like character health and cars.

[sloasdaylight 129]

I REALLY hope the AN-94 isn't introduced into this game.

[gibonez 3633]

I REALLY hope the AN-94 isn't introduced into this game.

 

Why not ?

 

It is 5.45 , it would share the 40mm grenade launcher that is already modeled in the game. It also has a unique 2 round burst. It would also share magazines with the future krinkov and perhaps one day ak74.

[sloasdaylight 129]

Why not ?

 

It is 5.45 , it would share the 40mm grenade launcher that is already modeled in the game. It also has a unique 2 round burst. It would also share magazines with the future krinkov and perhaps one day ak74.

Simply put because I hate the AN-94, and Warsaw Pact weapons in general. Yes, the 2 round burst is unique, especially given it's absurdly high rate of fire for those 2 rounds, but beyond that, I can't see any need for it to be in the game, especially given its status as an exceptionally rare weapon in reality. Things that should be in the game ought to be ubiquitous or nearly so, the AKM, the AR platform weapons, AK-74, etc. Weapons you see all over the world regardless of where you go. I don't want to see exceptionally specialized weapons like the Cheytac Intervention, the M107, etc. make their way into the game, and the AN-94 fits into that niche in my mind, despite it being an assault rifle as opposed to a sniper.

[sab0t 109]

an AN-94 has to be the worst weapon i can think of in a post-apocalyptic scenario, in regards to maintenance. simple and robust is what you want, and that gun is anything but.

[gibonez 3633]

Simply put because I hate the AN-94, and Warsaw Pact weapons in general. Yes, the 2 round burst is unique, especially given it's absurdly high rate of fire for those 2 rounds, but beyond that, I can't see any need for it to be in the game, especially given its status as an exceptionally rare weapon in reality. Things that should be in the game ought to be ubiquitous or nearly so, the AKM, the AR platform weapons, AK-74, etc. Weapons you see all over the world regardless of where you go. I don't want to see exceptionally specialized weapons like the Cheytac Intervention, the M107, etc. make their way into the game, and the AN-94 fits into that niche in my mind, despite it being an assault rifle as opposed to a sniper.

 

That is a fair point.

 

Nothing would be more jarring for me than seeing this "starving" post apocalyptic survivor with an ultra rare rifle like a FN scar, Cheytac, m107 or an94.

 

For that very reason I love the new aks74u the model and especially the skin look like they belong in some desolate zombie infested wasteland with little resources.

 

 

It looks banged up, and abused like something found in a long abandoned military site.

 

 

Same thing with the upcoming Remington 870 clone.

 

 

It looks used and abused and completely feels like it belongs in a resource starved land.

 

 

Brings back memories of that. Although I would imagine the players in Dayz should and would be far less equipped and outfitted compared to the characters in Stalker. The stalker characters volunteered to go into the zone for profit. Meanwhile in dayz the world has ended and everyone is just scraping by the world regressed a few hundred years after a horrible event.

Edited September 11, 2014 by gibonez

[Rags! 1966]

When does the war for the 7.62x54r start?

[gibonez 3633]

When does the war for the 7.62x54r start?

 

I thought the plan was always to have 7.62x54r.

 

I would expect it eventually.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Yup, it would be a hell of a lot better off ! Shame it was the brits that put Mugabe in power in the first place, that fricking psycho racist dictator....and he just....won't....fecking.....die!!! Bet the powers that be from then are just kicking themselves (or turning in their graves) over that little error.

 

Birts really dropped the ball there. I read British Government was assisting Mugabe with intelligence during the Bush war. Whoever approved that should be in jail.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Bingo.

 

It also sets a precedent and means in the future the devs would be more inclined to add another caliber to the game if it is needed without having to worry about confusing or trying to simplify the game for casuals.

 

Adding 5.45 also has great gameplay implications as it could be used as the general military building spawn caliber while 5.56 can remain a helicopter only spawn atleast for the time being unless they decide to add 5.56 - .223 civilian rifles.

 

That is a fair point.

 

Nothing would be more jarring for me than seeing this "starving" post apocalyptic survivor with an ultra rare rifle like a FN scar, Cheytac, m107 or an94.

 

For that very reason I love the new aks74u the model and especially the skin look like they belong in some desolate zombie infested wasteland with little resources.

 

 

Brings back memories of that. Although I would imagine the players in Dayz should and would be far less equipped and outfitted compared to the characters in Stalker. The stalker characters volunteered to go into the zone for profit. Meanwhile in dayz the world has ended and everyone is just scraping by the world regressed a few hundred years after a horrible event.

There's no actual indication of what's happened outside of Chernarus. For all we know the rest of the world could be fine, in fact, Chernarus could be the DayZverse equivalent of the Zone. I wouldn't really say civilization regressed hundreds of years when there's plenty of modern life still afforded to the survivors. I mean, if we were really driven back to pre-industrial society, guns would be super rare, vehicles wouldn't exist, and most of what was left of the modern world would be gone.

 

I fail to see why having guns like an AN-94, FN SCAR, M107, or Cheytac M-200 (though I don't really care for the M107 or M200) somehow ruins the desolate feel. I mean, modern weaponry would still exist, it'd just be rather rare. If they gave the FN SCAR a worn look, would it be okay? I don't see what's wrong with it

The separation of survivors is almost better. There are those who improvise most of their gear, and then there are those who lucked out and have found high-end pre-apocalyptic gear. It'd be more interesting to come across a patrol of people actually wearing a full military outfit and carrying end-game weapons, because you'd know they actually spent a lot of time looking and surviving, rather than just; "Oh, that guy has a hoodie, gas mask and an AKM, the rarest rifle in the game."

 

There needs to be separation, which is why high-level stuff is necessary. Being well equipped should actually be being well equipped, not having one full magazine for an AR and a couple cans of beans.

 

 

Oh, and wouldn't you think that the AN-94 would be a great high-level 5.45x39mm AR because of the now-confirmed ammunition? It's a pretty unique design, has the two-round burst function, and of course has the moving barrel, so I don't see why having a worn but modern variant as one of the better 5.45 guns would be problematic. That, and the AK-12, would be the two highest-end ARs in 5.45x39mm.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[igor-vk 909]

If we get weapon maintenance and weapon jams, then AN-94 will have it's place. More accurate, but less reliable.

[Legio23 82]

There's no actual indication of what's happened outside of Chernarus. For all we know the rest of the world could be fine, in fact, Chernarus could be the DayZverse equivalent of the Zone. I wouldn't really say civilization regressed hundreds of years when there's plenty of modern life still afforded to the survivors. I mean, if we were really driven back to pre-industrial society, guns would be super rare, vehicles wouldn't exist, and most of what was left of the modern world would be gone.

 

I honestly fail to understand the reasoning behind people stating that guns and vehicles would be super rare considering that this game is not based on a post nuclear apocolypse, why? No one has yet come up with a tangible arguement as to why this would be the case. Manufacture may have stopped certainly, but, considering the number of firearms and even more so vehicles in circulation around the world this kind of statement is totally and utterly absurd. What you are attempting to say is that suddenly a vast majority of firearms, munitions and vehicles are suddenly wiped off the face of the earth without a trace correct?

I personally own a couple of dozen firearms, munitions for them, reloading equipment and a couple of vehicles both 2 wheel and 4 wheel and, unless hit by a nuclear explosion, I don't to see how weapons and vehicles would be super rare, ammo yes eventually and fuel too along with spare parts but that would be years down the line.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Legio23

[q.S Sachiel 470]

I think people are alluding to the fact that certain weapons were not widely disseminated, or rare in certain regions (AN was not widely used) and equating highly specialised/engineered weapons such as the AN to being even more rare because they're not so durable due to their specialised parts (i don't know how the AN stands up to wear and tear, but i know the AK is about as durable as cockroaches), though more complex usually means more succeptable damage or failure.

That said, i loved the ankaban in BC2 :'( BRA RAP! BRA RAP! BRA RAP!

didn't know it had a rotating barrel or cantered magazine however.  So strange. 

Edited September 12, 2014 by q.S Sachiel

[hombrecz 832]

Simply put because I hate the AN-94, and Warsaw Pact weapons in general. 

 

All fair points except that the beginning of your post kinda killed it.

Hating on WP weapons in general, yet playing game placed into former Warsaw Pact eastern country.....that must take some iron will to play such game.

 

As much as you have every right to hate any weapon you feel like, objectively speaking you simply can not be against WP weapons being added into DayZ. 

[Khanarac 252]

Even if your not interested in having the correct caliber it still effects game play in that if there are more types of ammo it thins out the direct ammo type for your weapon making it harder to find/accrue large amounts of it. This could lead to more trading amoung players (or more banditry to try and get ammo for weapons) ,so i would say it actually has a significant impact on gameplay via the loot tables.

 

Plus i prefer to load my gun with its real ammo lol...

Nope, no trading. Check out the Mod. Has loads of diffrent ammo and no trading whatsoever (I'm playing dayzero, which is basicly vanillaDayZmod with improvements, no savespots or locked cars bullshit).

People just stick to the most common ammo and toss anything else unless it's ammo for a badass weapon as which the AK-74U or whatever it is, does not qualify. It's just another AK variant. 

[soulfirez 901]

Nope, no trading. Check out the Mod. Has loads of diffrent ammo and no trading whatsoever (I'm playing dayzero, which is basicly vanillaDayZmod with improvements, no savespots or locked cars bullshit).

People just stick to the most common ammo and toss anything else unless it's ammo for a badass weapon as which the AK-74U or whatever it is, does not qualify. It's just another AK variant. 

Did you miss the part where i said it could lead to not that it would lead to ( oh and your telling me no one trades in dayzero strange i have traded in that mod before( it wasnt ammo i was trading) so just remember your experiences are not the sum total of ALL PLAYERS. Hell i have traded in many varaitions of dayz all the way back to may 2012..

 

But still the point of it thining the loot table in regards to ammo still stands no matter what people decide to do or not do.

 

Sorry what was your point again???

[Khanarac 252]

Whats your problem? I stated dayzero for the whole purpose to illustrate that it's my subjective experience. 

I didn't have a point to begin with, I just wondered what all the fuzz is about, since people seem so uberly happy about this minor change, so please quit your faultfinding tone. I'm just saying that your "there might be trade's" is not very likley and seems like squeezing out the most possible meaning to this change. I'm certainly NOT arguing AGAINST this.

 

So the realism guys won on here, gratz.

[soulfirez 901]

Whats your problem? I stated dayzero for the whole purpose to illustrate that it's my subjective experience. 

I didn't have a point to begin with, I just wondered what all the fuzz is about, since people seem so uberly happy about this minor change, so please quit your faultfinding tone. I'm just saying that your "there might be trade's" is not very likley and seems like squeezing out the most possible meaning to this change. I'm certainly NOT arguing AGAINST this.

 

So the realism guys won on here, gratz.

Strange you quoted me and clearly stated nope no trading ( not there was little trading or anything else you spoke in an absolute, no one can really speak in absolutes unless it has happened not on what could or couldnt happen.

 

 why state an opinion as an absolute ( as i say i have traded in vanillia dayz mod ,breaking point, epoch, 2017 and i never said there was alot of trading but some do trade so your nope no trade stated as a fact is wrong...

 

People are happy because its an iconic caliber of round, is it the ubber round no but it allows a rather large number of guns that use that caliber..

 

So i ask again whats with the sand in your panties i quoted what you posted and responded to it in a factual manner and now your trying to say you just meant it wasnt very likely "nope,no trade" hmm strange that doesnt mean not very likely. If your going to state an opinion as a fact dont back pedal stand by your words not try to weazel out of it with oh i ment.... when you said........

[Khanarac 252]

Oh it's me with sand in my panties? I didn't think so as my commitment on this issue is zero. Can you stfu now? I assumed it's commonly accepted that "no trading" basicly means very little, because everyone sane knows that there are always exceptions (OMG I SAID ALWAYS, ITS AN ABSOLUTE; THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES SO LETS TOSS THE WORD "ALWAYS" OUT OF THE FUCKING DICTIONARY) Did you condescending prick know that in statistics exceptional stats that are too far out of the main picture of the stats get deleted to get a more accurate average? That's what basicly "no trade" fucking means. Also, language. I'm not writing a fucking scientific paper here and you knew damn well what I meant but chose to read it in the most unfavourable manner.

 

What is your fucking problem? Just shut it. I asked, I received an answer, I said gratz to everyone who fought for it. What else do you fucking want from me?

[hombrecz 832]

Using DayZero, mod of which community prides itself in being hardcore PvP, as measurement of any PvE activities is plain and simply wrong.

And even if adding of 5.45 will not promote trading in slightest, it will bring another bit of realism as well enrich weapon table.

[blissandpanic 92]

Yup, it would be a hell of a lot better off ! Shame it was the brits that put Mugabe in power in the first place, that fricking psycho racist dictator....and he just....won't....fecking.....die!!! Bet the powers that be from then are just kicking themselves (or turning in their graves) over that little error.

 

 

Remember.

 

When Mugabe dies, Rhodesia will rise.

 

 

Keep Rhodesia British!

A little off topic guys?

 

Sorry to bust your bubble but the "good 'ol days" of looting the world like a global dayz with no care and KOSing any local native or tribal group that stands in the way is over...

 

That state is called Zimbabwe now (named after the ancient kingdom) and it is not coming back as your colony..and neither will Rwanda or India for that matter..

 

Don't get me wrong, you had a good 300 year run but its all over now and the sooner you accept that the better.

[sloasdaylight 129]

I fail to see why having guns like an AN-94, FN SCAR, M107, or Cheytac M-200 (though I don't really care for the M107 or M200) somehow ruins the desolate feel. I mean, modern weaponry would still exist, it'd just be rather rare. If they gave the FN SCAR a worn look, would it be okay? I don't see what's wrong with it

 

 

-snip-

They don't ruin the desolate feel so much as they simply don't fit, not without any sort of back story or more clues in the environment. The weapons mentioned, AN-94, SCAR, M107, Cheytac, etc, are all weapons that do not see standard use in most militaries, and are rare even within them, so just by working with the laws of probability, the odds of seeing even 1 in Chernarus are low.

 

The need to create separation is an artificial one based on the way other MMOs work (WoW, EQ, SWTOR, etc). In DayZ, there are no levels, there are no talent points, there are no classes, etc. It's simply you and your character, and a character that's been alive for 3 months could look exactly the same, or worse, than a character that's been alive for 3 days.

 

All fair points except that the beginning of your post kinda killed it.

Hating on WP weapons in general, yet playing game placed into former Warsaw Pact eastern country.....that must take some iron will to play such game.

 

As much as you have every right to hate any weapon you feel like, objectively speaking you simply can not be against WP weapons being added into DayZ. 

Yea, I know. It's not so much that I don't like seeing Warsaw Pact weapons in the game, I genuinely don't, it's more that I don't like seeing Warsaw Pact (or NATO for that matter) weapons that aren't likely to be found there in the game. That's my biggest issue with the AN-94, is its rarity and specialist nature would preclude it from likely being in Chernarus at all. I think renaming the AK-101 to the AK-74 is what they should do, and I'm not so much opposed to finding the the AKS-74U in the game now, because it more or less fits (it should be rare though, much rarer than the AK-74, imo). I'm not opposed to seeing a PKP or a PKM or something of that nature be a really rare find in the game. In fact I'd prefer to see something like that before and more often than an M249, due to the setting. I just wouldn't use them unless I had to.

[stielhandgranate 480]

A little off topic guys?

 

Sorry to bust your bubble but the "good 'ol days" of looting the world like a global dayz with no care and KOSing any local native or tribal group that stands in the way is over...

 

That state is called Zimbabwe now (named after the ancient kingdom) and it is not coming back as your colony..and neither will Rwanda or India for that matter..

 

Don't get me wrong, you had a good 300 year run but its all over now and the sooner you accept that the better.

 

Yeah Mugabe is such a great leader. Inflating the currency to the point of uselessness and murdering white farmers and introducing a state of constant famine and poverty to the region is a better alternative. Get educated. Mugabe IS the IRL DayZ KOSer bandit king and ignorance like that keeps people like him in power.

[Legio23 82]

A little off topic guys?

 

Sorry to bust your bubble but the "good 'ol days" of looting the world like a global dayz with no care and KOSing any local native or tribal group that stands in the way is over...

 

That state is called Zimbabwe now (named after the ancient kingdom) and it is not coming back as your colony..and neither will Rwanda or India for that matter..

 

Don't get me wrong, you had a good 300 year run but its all over now and the sooner you accept that the better.

 

Trust me I would not want it back, and, if you had read earlier you would also realise that I really don't care about it being a colony or not. What I do care about is the fact that Thatcher and her cronies put a genocidal maniac like Mugabe in power who is, lets face facts here, a total racist psycho (oh or is it only whites that are racist ???), who kills anyone that opposes him, bankrupts the country, destroys its infrastructure taking the once Rhodesia known as the bread basket of Africa back to one of the poorest countries in the world now known as Zimbabwe. So unless you have anything to add to that I suggest you get off your high horse and back off a little Bru as I'm pretty damned sure you've never even set foot there or been even close. Do you even have an IDEA of how many Zims pass across the border into SA each day ?so is it really better with him in power ? pretty fucking sure its not.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Legio23

[blissandpanic 92]

Trust me I would not want it back, and, if you had read earlier you would also realise that I really don't care about it being a colony or not. What I do care about is the fact that Thatcher and her cronies put a genocidal maniac like Mugabe in power who is, lets face facts here, a total racist psycho (oh or is it only whites that are racist ???), who kills anyone that opposes him, bankrupts the country, destroys its infrastructure taking the once Rhodesia known as the bread basket of Africa back to one of the poorest countries in the world now known as Zimbabwe. So unless you have anything to add to that I suggest you get off your high horse and back off a little Bru as I'm pretty damned sure you've never even set foot there or been even close. Do you even have an IDEA of how many Zims pass across the border into SA each day ?so is it really better with him in power ? pretty fucking sure its not.

Where in my post did I mention Mugabe? I am the first person to tell you that many of the Dictators in Africa were placed and backed up by the colonial powers and are just as bad as the governors before them. Just look at Mali or CAR, the people live in poverty yet single families control every aspect of government and are backed up by france while living in luxury in France and simply flee there with Billions of Dollars while French jets bomb the "rebels".

 

What I was responding to without calling anyone "little Bru" is the idea of people who romanticize the colonial times as though it were good for all the people.  Only a minority benefited and the majority suffered, period...that's why i mentioned India and Rwanda. And if that makes me a guy in a "high horse" then so be it. 

 

As for the rest of your post including your claim that you are "pretty damn sure" I never set foot there or even been close, I've been born in the horn of Africa and know first hand what was done to my tribe Iss'akh by the Britsh. I have been to Rwanda and my birthplace last year (Somaliland-google it)

 

Anyways the fact you started off saying you don't care about it being a colony or not means I really don't have any further argument with you.

 

When I read what Sacha and Heav quoted it set me off and I assumed you were on the same state of mind...

 

Good day.