Craftable armor

[Evaris 61]

I think it could work but I don't want it going too far out.  Making bullet proof armor should be out of the question.  But making something to protect your face from a incoming sludge hammer should be possible.  It is a cool ideal but also its not really needed.  Plenty of armor already in the game.

 

Could be cool, but would be hard to implement and i doubt it would have much use since helmets are easy to find.  Still chest armor is a pain to get so I do like the ideal of a football uniform or a trench coat with some plates stuck in it.     

If I may ask, why do you feel making bullet proof / bullet resistant armor should be out of the question?

[Darke (DayZ) 7]

Research done, have an image of a 3.5kg example of what I suggest be able to be made which would provide protection of everything up to a .45 ACP round:

 

And the cast iron door.. well here's the general idea, a la back to the future. (estimated, 8-9kg.)

 

 

Also, it's up to the devs, not you or I, so you can't say with any certainty it can't happen, now can you?

Please, PLEASE wear this and let someone shot you, really.. please.

[Evaris 61]

Please, PLEASE wear this and let someone shot you, really.. please.

first one, we have WWI german soldiers, and WWII german, american, and russian soliders all wearing similar suits, and prohibition era american gangsters as a basis for it's handgun resistance.

 

For the latter.

let's look at it this way.  it's a 3/4" thick cast iron plate.  cast iron is about 1/2 as strong as steel, (so we get an effective strength of 3/8th's of an inch, 50% more than 1/4th inch) and rubber coated 1/4" steel plates do this:

[agouti 105]

What about multiple pieces of tile?

 

Remember ceramic is often used in armor.

 

[Evaris 61]

What about multiple pieces of tile?

 

Remember ceramic is often used in armor.

 

Not really as effective for the weight, since most military ceramic armors utilize composite construction and stronger ceramics than are found in bathroom tiles.  Aside from this, cermaic has the issue of low durability to multiple impacts, and degrades quickly.

[harley001 315]

If I may ask, why do you feel making bullet proof / bullet resistant armor should be out of the question?

 

Kevlar is very hard to make.  A average Joe wouldn't be able to make it.  And all those videos of people making "bullet proof" armor aren't making bullet proof armor.  They are making bullet proof material.  If you wore that two things would happen.  

 

1. it would be very heavy and you wouldn't be able to move quickly so your pretty much dead.  Mobility is key in combat.

 

2.  In all the videos I noticed there big dents on the other side.  THOSE DENTS WOULD KILL YOU.  You would get crushed in your armor.  They is why during medieval times they had big hammers and axes.  To crush people inside their own armor.

 

There is a very big reason why we did not have bullet proof body armor as standard use until 1980.  Because all the bullet proof armor attempts from beforehand were either too heavy to use for a standard infantry OR just flat out didn't work.   

 

There is more to protecting you from a bullet then just stopping the bullet from penetrating you.  It can crush you own armor on you.  Heck, even if it doesn't dent the armor it can kill you.  the sheer force could kill you.  If you are walking one way and then a bullet hits you adding a large amount of force to you in a another direction there is a high risk of serious injury.  Modern Kevlar doesn't just stop bullets.  IT ABSORBS the bullet.  You need to absorb the impact just as much as you need to stop the bullet itself.    

 

So in the end.  Custom made bullet proof armor just has never worked.  You need skilled hands and good tools.  If custom/homemade bullet proof armor was easy/possible to make.  Why do we never see people using it in real life combat?  

Edited July 24, 2014 by harley001

[Mullraugh 1151]

I shit you not, every single clothing item in the following website is bulletproof. The makers of the clothing are literally shot after making these clothes in order to test them. 100% small-arms bullet protection.

http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-clothing.html

[Evaris 61]

Kevlar is very hard to make.  A average Joe wouldn't be able to make it.  And all those videos of people making "bullet proof" armor aren't making bullet proof armor.  They are making bullet proof material.  If you wore that two things would happen.  

 

1. it would be very heavy and you wouldn't be able to move quickly so your pretty much dead.  Mobility is key in combat.

 

2.  In all the videos I noticed there big dents on the other side.  THOSE DENTS WOULD KILL YOU.  You would get crushed in your armor.  They is why during medieval times they had big hammers and axes.  To crush people inside their own armor.

 

There is a very big reason why we did not have bullet proof body armor as standard use until 1980.  Because all the bullet proof armor attempts from beforehand were either too heavy to use for a standard infantry OR just flat out didn't work.   

 

There is more to protecting you from a bullet then just stopping the bullet from penetrating you.  It can crush you own armor on you.  Heck, even if it doesn't dent the armor it can kill you.  the sheer force could kill you.  If you are walking one way and then a bullet hits you adding a large amount of force to you in a another direction there is a high risk of serious injury.  Modern Kevlar doesn't just stop bullets.  IT ABSORBS the bullet.  You need to absorb the impact just as much as you need to stop the bullet itself.    

 

So in the end.  Custom made bullet proof armor just has never worked.  You need skilled hands and good tools.  If custom/homemade bullet proof armor was easy/possible to make.  Why do we never see people using it in real life combat?  

1.  A plate carrier and plate can weigh up to 10kg, in modern army service.  So an improvised 3.5kg or 8-9kg piece of armor isn't out there by body armor standards.

 

2.  Yeah on the dents....  First thing, hammers caused a much, MUCH larger dent in platemail than is seen being caused by those bullets.  And usually it took multiple repeated strikes denting the armor before an armored knight would be knocked out or killed, unless such strikes were to the head, or caused a rib to puncture the lungs / heart.  It wasn't that uncommon for a knight to lose use of his limbs before being killed on the battlefield in combat with hammer.

 

History suggests otherwise, as does modern combat armor.  Hard steel plate armor has been proven to work many times, and the SN42 armor was PROVEN in WWII to make an operator capable of withstanding multiple impacts from a 9mm MP40 submachine gun.  It did not have any backing save for the normal soviet uniform.  Yes, the sheer force can kill you, if the mass of your armor is not sufficient to slow the force of a bullet at a rate at which the human body can withstand.  Yes, impacts strong enough to dent the armor can break bone.  But these are not usually lethal threats. as the body armor itself spreads out the force being applied on your body by the contact area of the reverse side of the body armor. 

 

As for why we don't see people using it in real combat, well most of this armor was outdated by cheaply available carrier plates in modern times.  But steel bib type armor like the SN42 were used by several gangsters to great effect, and by urban combat teams by the soviets, as two notible examples.  Nowadays, we have plate carriers with various levels of protection, one of which are the AR500 plates shown above, a level III ballistic plate available for about $100 and are quite popular among private security forces and preppers. 

 

The SN42 and similar body armor did not see use with standard infantry as they were bulky, limited the carried storage space of an individual soldier, and the extra weight made it ill suited for conventional field army movement.  Hence why they were popular in urban assault squads, armored vehicle operators, and stationary defensive units.  Generally speaking, "steel bib" armor worked for the pistol rounds they were designed to defeat. 

 

 

 

Simple point: you do not need to completely absorb the impact of a bullet when stopping it, merely spread the force over a wide enough area to reduce damage to a degree in which it is survivable.  This does not of course mean impacts wouldn't have potential to cause injury - merely that the injuries are far, far more likely to be non life threatening    As such I would suggest doing some more research. 

 

Funfact:  The kinetic energy behind the common pistol rounds 9mm and .45 ACP is similar to that of a punch by a trained martial artist.  So yeah think about the force behind that, now spread across the rear face of whatever armor you're wearing. (a couple dozen times the surface area.)  Still think that would be lethal? 

Edited July 24, 2014 by Evaris

[harley001 315]

1.  A plate carrier and plate can weigh up to 10kg, in modern army service.  So an improvised 3.5kg or 8-9kg piece of armor isn't out there by body armor standards.

 

2.  Yeah on the dents....  First thing, hammers caused a much, MUCH larger dent in platemail than is seen being caused by those bullets.  And usually it took multiple repeated strikes denting the armor before an armored knight would be knocked out or killed, unless such strikes were to the head, or caused a rib to puncture the lungs / heart.  It wasn't that uncommon for a knight to lose use of his limbs before being killed on the battlefield in combat with hammer.

 

History suggests otherwise, as does modern combat armor.  Hard steel plate armor has been proven to work many times, and the SN42 armor was PROVEN in WWII to make an operator capable of withstanding multiple impacts from a 9mm MP40 submachine gun.  It did not have any backing save for the normal soviet uniform.  Yes, the sheer force can kill you, if the mass of your armor is not sufficient to slow the force of a bullet at a rate at which the human body can withstand.  Yes, impacts strong enough to dent the armor can break bone.  But these are not usually lethal threats. as the body armor itself spreads out the force being applied on your body by the contact area of the reverse side of the body armor. 

 

As for why we don't see people using it in real combat, well most of this armor was outdated by cheaply available carrier plates in modern times.  But steel bib type armor like the SN42 were used by several gangsters to great effect, and by urban combat teams by the soviets, as two notible examples.  Nowadays, we have plate carriers with various levels of protection, one of which are the AR500 plates shown above, a level III ballistic plate available for about $100 and are quite popular among private security forces and preppers. 

 

The SN42 and similar body armor did not see use with standard infantry as they were bulky, limited the carried storage space of an individual soldier, and the extra weight made it ill suited for conventional field army movement.  Hence why they were popular in urban assault squads, armored vehicle operators, and stationary defensive units.  Generally speaking, "steel bib" armor worked for the pistol rounds they were designed to defeat. 

 

 

 

Simple point: you do not need to completely absorb the impact of a bullet when stopping it, merely spread the force over a wide enough area to reduce damage to a degree in which it is survivable.  This does not of course mean impacts wouldn't have potential to cause injury - merely that the injuries are far, far more likely to be non life threatening    As such I would suggest doing some more research. 

 

Funfact:  The kinetic energy behind the common pistol rounds 9mm and .45 ACP is similar to that of a punch by a trained martial artist.  So yeah think about the force behind that, now spread across the rear face of whatever armor you're wearing. 

SN42 armor also made them less mobile.  That is why it was not standard issue.  Remember we do a LOT of running in dayz.  You couldn't do that much running in the SN42.

 

Also I only brought up the medieval knights to show how dangerous armor denting is and what you said is only somewhat true.  Yes a knights armor could shrug off a few hammer or sword hits.  But something like a zweihander, a maul, some of the larger battle axes.  They would crush a mans armor in one good swing.  And if your limb is cutt of, odds are that you are not fighting anymore.  The pain/shock would render you usless on the battle most likely.  Yes people have lost limbs and kept fighting, but its rare.   Odds are if he just cut your arm off he is about to cut your torso in half.  Anyway enough about medieval armor is irrelevant, just wanted to clear that up.

 

I never said the custom armor would do no good.  It might help a lot if a pistol hits you.  But you would be trading a lot of mobility for some mild protection against pistols and weak rifles.  Remember, the amount of force going into the vest when a bullet hits is also going into your ribs and your joints.  You will get a few broken ribs.  Be knocked off your butt and out of breath.  Odds are the next shot is going to kill you.  Worst even, the initial impact of the bullet would affect your armor.  I forget whats its called but basically your armor would internal shatter.  So the next shot would send your own armor into your flesh so you would be killed by your armor.

 

Custom armor could stop a pistol or very weak rifle.  (plus melee combat is a part of the game.) but good luck vs most of the rifles in the game.  Odds are the only stuff the armor would protect you from is the pistols, double barreled shotgun that is not at point blank, and melee weapons.  

 

Like you said body armor before Kevlar DID HAVE SOME VALUE.  But in the end it was very circumstantial.  Plus in dayz we have guns like the AK's AKM, m16, m4, SKS, even the mosin would probably go though any custom body armor or SKS.  Like i said before there is a reason we don't see people using custom made body armor today.  In the middle east and bad parts of Africa I don't see any of the militia's and gangs using custom body armor.       

Edited July 24, 2014 by harley001

[Evaris 61]

SN42 armor also made them less mobile.  That is why it was not standard issue.  Remember we do a LOT of running in dayz.  You couldn't do that much running in the SN42.

 

Also I only brought up the medieval knights to show how dangerous armor denting is and what you said is only somewhat true.  Yes a knights armor could shrug off a few hammer or sword hits.  But something like a zweihander, a maul, some of the larger battle axes.  They would crush a mans armor in one good swing.  And if your limb is cutt of, odds are that you are not fighting anymore.  The pain/shock would render you usless on the battle most likely.  Yes people have lost limbs and kept fighting, but its rare.   Odds are if he just cut your arm off he is about to cut your torso in half.  Anyway enough about medieval armor is irrelevant, just wanted to clear that up.

 

I never said the custom armor would do no good.  It might help a lot if a pistol hits you.  But you would be trading a lot of mobility for some mild protection against pistols and weak rifles.  Remember, the amount of force going into the vest when a bullet hits is also going into your ribs and your joints.  You will get a few broken ribs.  Be knocked off your butt and out of breath.  Odds are the next shot is going to kill you.  Worst even, the initial impact of the bullet would affect your armor.  I forget whats its called but basically your armor would internal shatter.  So the next shot would send your own armor into your flesh so you would be killed by your armor.

 

Custom armor could stop a pistol or very weak rifle.  (plus melee combat is a part of the game.) but good luck vs most of the rifles in the game.  Odds are the only stuff the armor would protect you from is the pistols, double barreled shotgun that is not at point blank, and melee weapons.  

 

Like you said body armor before Kevlar DID HAVE SOME VALUE.  But in the end it was very circumstantial.  Plus in dayz we have guns like the AK's AKM, m16, m4, SKS, even the mosin would probably go though any custom body armor or SKS.  Like i said before there is a reason we don't see people using custom made body armor today.  In the middle east and bad parts of Africa I don't see any of the militia's and gangs using custom body armor.       

1.  Well just because we run like we do -now- doesn't mean that we will be forced to in the future, once farming and the like are in.  Also, wouldn't it be better to give a player the option to make the armor and be slown down? 

2.  Yes, most rifle rounds will go through a SN-42 style armor plate.  Hence the suggestion for the cast iron stove door - far more effective at stopping a round, but heavier with less coverage area.  At the same time, easier to make.  Said cast iron door should stop well... everything until we get .50cal class weapons or 7.62 long AP type rounds.  Regardless, the protection the Sn-42 style and the other armors on this list would provide vs melee would be highly beneficial once zombies are added in in far greater numbers.

3.  The reason that custom armors aren't seen in those areas of the world are:

A: Because it's too hot for most sane people to wear such things without having an air conditioned base to go back to.

B: Because rifles are such a common threat in these areas and pistol rounds are pretty much nowhere to be found on their battlefields, what would they gain? 

[harley001 315]

1.  Well just because we run like we do -now- doesn't mean that we will be forced to in the future, once farming and the like are in.  Also, wouldn't it be better to give a player the option to make the armor and be slown down? 

2.  Yes, most rifle rounds will go through a SN-42 style armor plate.  Hence the suggestion for the cast iron stove door - far more effective at stopping a round, but heavier with less coverage area.  At the same time, easier to make.  Said cast iron door should stop well... everything until we get .50cal class weapons or 7.62 long AP type rounds.  Regardless, the protection the Sn-42 style and the other armors on this list would provide vs melee would be highly beneficial once zombies are added in in far greater numbers.

3.  The reason that custom armors aren't seen in those areas of the world are:

A: Because it's too hot for most sane people to wear such things without having an air conditioned base to go back to.

B: Because rifles are such a common threat in these areas and pistol rounds are pretty much nowhere to be found on their battlefields, what would they gain? 

 

Mobility is key in combat.  You can't sprint around as much as you need to with a medal harness.  Also most gun fights in dayz are fought with rifles were SN 42 wouldn't help.  A

 

Also what you said about why custom armor isn't seen in those parts of the world is 100% wrong.

 

1.  People wear armor in hot climates ALL THE TIME.  In medieval times a crusader knight wore a cotton suit, chainmail, and full plate.  Staying alive is more important then being hot.  And before you say they did, no they did not fall over from heat strokes.

 

2.  You just broke your own theory.  Why would I want heavy armor that is only to slow me down and probably not give much protection anyway if most of the people shooting at me are going to be using rifles?  In dayz most people find a rifle before they find a pistol.  Mosins and SDK's are easy enough to get.  So wearing clunky armor that is only going to protect me from melee attacks and pistol shots sounds dumb as heck when most of the people gunning after me are using rifles.  

 

also.  ITS A GAME.  I don't think everyone running around in weird looking/impractal bulletproof armor would be fun/help immersion.   

Edited July 25, 2014 by harley001

[Evaris 61]

Mobility is key in combat.  You can't sprint around as much as you need to with a medal harness.  Also most gun fights in dayz are fought with rifles were SN 42 wouldn't help.  A

 

Also what you said about why custom armor isn't seen in those parts of the world is 100% wrong.

 

1.  People wear armor in hot climates ALL THE TIME.  In medieval times a crusader knight wore a cotton suit, chainmail, and full plate.  Staying alive is more important then being hot.  And before you say they did, no they did not fall over from heat strokes.

 

2.  You just broke your own theory.  Why would I want heavy armor that is only to slow me down and probably not give much protection anyway if most of the people shooting at me are going to be using rifles?  In dayz most people find a rifle before they find a pistol.  Mosins and SDK's are easy enough to get.  So wearing clunky armor that is only going to protect me from melee attacks and pistol shots sounds dumb as heck when most of the people gunning after me are using rifles.  

 

also.  ITS A GAME.  I don't think everyone running around in weird looking/impractal bulletproof armor would be fun/help immersion.   

 

A:  I'd prefer a bit of armor instead of purely relying on my dancing skills in combat any day, thanks. 

 

1.  And dare we forget how many people died from heatstroke as a result?

 

2.  I'd still take it.  It slows me down but has a chance of saving my life?  Any help is better than none.  I, personally, see the zombies as being more of a threat in the future, not other players.  So pull your mind away from PvP, and think about the effectiveness of some of this in PvE when we're facing 5-10x the number of zombies on a regular basis, with massive hoards being a thing when you make too much noise.  Do you still want to rely entirely on your mobility?  Because I sure don't.  I want to find or make some armor to help me survive.

 

B:  Yeah, it's a game.  So why are you so opposed to different playstyles to your own?  Or people wanting to do things you find impractical? 

[-Gews- 7443]

People wouldn't be wearing homemade armor in a DayZ apocalypse because

 

[a] zombie bites don't infect the living

in real life there's such thing as "uncomfortable"

likely useless against firearms

[c] if it isn't useless against firearms it will you into a clanking and slowly moving target

 

Heavy armor went out of fashion in the days of matchlocks and that was on the battlefield when they expected dozens or hundreds of men to be firing at them, not in some survivor situation where you might happen to run across someone at some future point, and M4, SKS, Mosin > matchlock

[Evaris 61]

People wouldn't be wearing homemade armor in a DayZ apocalypse because

 

[a] zombie bites don't infect the living

in real life there's such thing as "uncomfortable"

likely useless against firearms

[c] if it isn't useless against firearms it will you into a clanking and slowly moving target

 

Heavy armor went out of fashion in the days of matchlocks and that was on the battlefield when they expected dozens or hundreds of men to be firing at them, not in some survivor situation where you might happen to run across someone at some future point, and M4, SKS, Mosin > matchlock

A: They still attack you and will end up hurting you, can cut you open, or break bones.  I'd get armor for those reasons alone.

B: I'd say a gash, broken arm, or having your entrails being ripped out would be far more "uncomfortable."

C: Depends on type of makeshift armor.  The majority of these are anti-zombie, not anti-human in mind.

D: Explain modern plate carriers?  the Sn42 and iron stove door suggestions are the only intended bullet resistant armor here - and they're breastplates only, like modern military plate carriers.  They also weigh similar, albeit at the expense of only protecting the front of the torso, and not the back. Of course if you've been reading you should have realized this by now.

Edited July 24, 2014 by Evaris

[harley001 315]

A:  I'd prefer a bit of armor instead of purely relying on my dancing skills in combat any day, thanks. 

 

1.  And dare we forget how many people died from heatstroke as a result?

 

2.  I'd still take it.  It slows me down but has a chance of saving my life?  Any help is better than none.  I, personally, see the zombies as being more of a threat in the future, not other players.  So pull your mind away from PvP, and think about the effectiveness of some of this in PvE when we're facing 5-10x the number of zombies on a regular basis, with massive hoards being a thing when you make too much noise.  Do you still want to rely entirely on your mobility?  Because I sure don't.  I want to find or make some armor to help me survive.

 

B:  Yeah, it's a game.  So why are you so opposed to different playstyles to your own?  Or people wanting to do things you find impractical? 

 

"B:  Yeah, it's a game.  So why are you so opposed to different play styles to your own?  Or people wanting to do things you find impractical? " -Evaris

 

You are a massive hypocrite.  You are arguing with EVERYONE that don't agree about having armor.  NOT HAVING ARMOR IS A DIFFERENT PLAY STYLE TO YOUR OWN.  So you are doing the exact same thing as me.  

 

 

A: They still attack you and will end up hurting you, can cut you open, or break bones.  I'd get armor for those reasons alone.

B: I'd say a gash, broken arm, or having your entrails being ripped out would be far more "uncomfortable."

C: Depends on type of makeshift armor.  The majority of these are anti-zombie, not anti-human in mind.

D: Explain modern plate carriers?  the Sn42 and iron stove door suggestions are the only intended bullet resistant armor here - and they're breastplates only, like modern military plate carriers.  They also weigh similar, albeit at the expense of only protecting the front of the torso, and not the back. Of course if you've been reading you should have realized this by now.

 

 

 

Also I am sorry but you seem to lack any armor knowledge besides Wikipedia.  You actually think that a SN42 and a iron stove are going to give you the same as Kevlar.  The SN42 and iron stove are just big things of metal put on your chest.  They might protect you pistols at long and medium range but nothing else.  Not even melee weapons, a fire hatchet would crush the armor because it wasn't designed to resist melee attempts.  SN42 while it was capable of blocking small caliber bullets (but not at close range) was mainly used to protect from shrapnel.  Also don't tell Gews that he didn't read your topic, he clearly did.  

 

I am sorry but SN42 and a damn iron stove are not anything like modern plate carriers.  Moderen plate carriers consist of a lot more then just a sheet of metal.       

 

And no.  I don't know why there are white boxes over my text.  I tryed to remove them but it seems to be a bug.

Edited July 25, 2014 by harley001

[Evaris 61]

 

"B:  Yeah, it's a game.  So why are you so opposed to different play styles to your own?  Or people wanting to do things you find impractical? " -Evaris

 

You are a massive hypocrite.  You are arguing with EVERYONE that don't agree about having armor.  NOT HAVING ARMOR IS A DIFFERENT PLAY STYLE TO YOUR OWN.  So you are doing the exact same thing as me.  

Also I am sorry but you seem to lack any armor knowledge besides Wikipedia.  You actually think that a SN42 and a iron stove are going to give you the same as Kevlar.  The SN42 and iron stove are just big things of metal put on your chest.  They might protect you pistols at long and medium range but nothing else.  Not even melee weapons, a fire hatchet would crush the armor because it wasn't designed to resist melee attempts.  SN42 while it was capable of blocking small caliber bullets (but not at close range) was mainly used to protect from shrapnel.  Also don't tell Gews that he didn't read your topic, he clearly did.  

 

I am sorry but SN42 and a damn iron stove are not anything like modern plate carriers.  Moderen plate carriers consist of a lot more then just a sheet of metal.       

 

And no.  I don't know why there are white boxes over my text.  I tryed to remove them but it seems to be a bug.

B:  No I'm not.  No one is forcing someone to wear said armor:  I'm arguing the OPTION should be there for players, rather than an exclusion of craftable armor being in the game.   Do you see the difference?  I have no problem with others not wanting to make or wear armor in game:  What I have problem with, and argue against, are those who don't want it in-game since they won't use it.

 

 

 

2.  I would like to say that I am somewhat insulted by your comment suggesting my knowledge is limited to Wikipedia; while it is truthful that my knowledge on ballistics is limited to internet sources, they far exceed that merely available on Wikipedia.  Regardless, I do have some knowledge of metallurgy, and thus I will base my following argument on that. 

 

The Sn42 style armor well exceeds the thickness of middle ages plate armor - so as far as a breastplate goes, it would defend against melee weapons decently, even without heat treatment for hardening the armor.  As for a cast iron stove door, how about we go into millimeter thickness of cast iron (which is really extremely high carbon steel in technicality)  It's thickness alone would give it a decent amount of protection against anything which hits it.  In terms of what exactly it would defend against, why don't we look at the penetration capabilities of rifle rounds?  The cast iron stove door, at three fourths of an inch, comes in at 19mm of thickness.  We can then compare it to the steel alloy used in AR500 plates, with a 6.5mm thickness, and known bullet resistance against all pistol rounds and rifle rounds up to a 7.62 x 51mm FMJ round. 

http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=430f3a3a555247ecb13b2415de824b07&ckck=1

 

Now, as we do not know what particular cast iron alloy is being used in the in-game stoves, we may look at overall material properties for cast iron in general - and in some cases cast iron exceeds the parameters of the FORA 500 alloy, though it varies widely from material to material.

http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=6291a24572754cae94ff365ed99b96f9

 

Although as we are talking a rural area, we can plausibly assume that the cast iron in question is a more simple alloy of the type - purely cast iron smelted with sand as the flux material:

http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=b1984667817f4b47905d8278d406621e

 

Which comes in right about 1/3rd as strong as the AR500 plate's strength in terms of tensile strength, which is what will allow us to actually catch the bullet.  Next, we look at hardness, which determines the likelihood of a bullet outright shattering regardless:  As Matweb surprisingly does not carry that information, let's look over at another website, which finds us to find that this alloy in question has a minimum hardness of 201 on the Brinell scale:

http://www.iron-foundry.com/a476-ductile-iron-castings.html

 

Now, as another comparison, we look at tank armor RHA steel: to which we know the same FMJ round can penetrate 4-6mm of at 100 meters, so we look at a comparison to A370:

http://archive.org/stream/gov.law.astm.a370.1977/astm.a370.1977_djvu.txt

In which we find A370 is approximately 30% stronger in yield (point where it deforms / dents) than the cast iron we are looking at, while being only half as hard.  

 

 

Now, granted the material properties in question, I'm fairly certain a 3/4" cast iron stove door will stop a bullet just fine.  Unless you can show me otherwise why I'm wrong. 

 

For even more, if we really need it, we see for testing against 7.62x54r ammo, with a mild (i.e. as cheap as it gets, and weaker than cast iron, and not intended to stop bullets at all) steel plate, while able to penetrate the half-inch steel, it does not penetrate the 3/4th's of an inch steel - keeping in mind our cast iron stove door is also 3/4ths of an inch thick:

http://youtu.be/YBxqFjYXOGw?t=4m15s

 

 

Also, as for your saying a modern plate carriers - I'm well aware they are more than just a sheet of metal.  My point is as follows:

They both protect the same portion of the body: i.e. the chest.

They have similar weight ranges:  With plates inserted, a plate carrier can weigh as much as 12kg (one example is the old USA ranger body armor series vests at 11.4kg).  The Sn42 style clocks in at 3.5-5kg, and a cast iron stove door weighs 8-9kg, plus the weight of the rope used to attach it to your body, so add an extra kg for good measure. 

Edited July 25, 2014 by Evaris

[Rigor Mortis (DayZ) 141]

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Well said.  I do enjoy these arguments when they produce interesting facts :)

 

As for the game, I think they need to figure out a weight/stamina system before craftable armor... otherwise people will be sprinting 40 miles wearing 200 lbs of steel strapped to every inch of their body that they can find.

[CJFlint 357]

I for this idea, but with in reason. I like the idea of having as much craft items as possible in game as long as it keeps with the realism. 

[Evaris 61]

I for this idea, but with in reason. I like the idea of having as much craft items as possible in game as long as it keeps with the realism. 

And that is my whole point of view myself.  If you can think of anything to add, I'd love to hear! 

[Azzerrrr 52]

What about cutting the heads off of shovels and using them as armour plates? I doubt it would stop much more than a .22 round, but would be good against melee weapons.

Good thinking!

[Evaris 61]

Good thinking!

You know, in retrospect  that might be a good idea for a simpler make of scale armor.

[Evaris 61]

Im gone for a week and no replies? I'm suprised.

[NagsterTheGangster 388]

Motorcycle protector outfit (with the plastic protective stuff on it, you know) that riders wear so when they bail they dont end up peeled like a banana on the pavement... But I think it would be a better low level melee protection because its small, light, would suffice for the job and would look great with the motorcycle helmets :p

[Gandolaf 81]

I would love to see stuff like this: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100416205011/metro2033/images/6/69/Metro2033_2010-04-16_13-43-43-87.jpg

Military stuff combined with other things(like the shoulderpads)

 

Or this:http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130731142911/metro2033/images/a/a5/MLL_heavy_suit.jpg which is put together from all kinds of stuff. 

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