Why are there basically no 3pp:off servers - grow a pair.

[Jex 1104]

I want to play with 3rd person on. I have this advantage because others have this advantage.

People can see me while they are behind stuff. So can i.

If i only wanted 1st person i`d play in hardcore servers.

They are seperated. I play how i want to play.

 

People who play in hardcore mode aren`t more elite than players who use 3rd person.

 

All i have said is the absolute truth and i cant be persuaded otherwise.

 

Thanks for letting us know you're closed minded. We have absolutely nothing to say to you now.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

It is a solution but you like to exploit the view so you don't like it. BTW, zombies pop in and out of view in first person. If I lean out from a wall - zombie see...if I lean back...zombie don't see

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

See? (Or don't see?)

Sorry, it's not the same thing.

4th wall doesn't work because while you're running around in 3PP it may look like the streets are clear when in fact they are not. It would give you a false sense of security and potentially cause you to run into a zombie horde without realizing they're even there.

You might think you're imagining things or that the zombies are glitching as they appear and disappear at random.

4th wall just makes the game look stupid.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

Sorry, it's not the same thing.

4th wall doesn't work because while you're running around in 3PP it may look like the streets are clear when in fact they are not. It would give you a false sense of security and potentially cause you to run into a zombie horde without realizing they're even there.

You might think you're imagining things or that the zombies are glitching as they appear and disappear at random.

4th wall just makes the game look stupid.

 

Then maybe it would teach people to stop being so reckless and actually be more careful instead of YOLO ZERG 3P FGT

[Pvt_Larry (DayZ) 98]

Just stopped by to take a peek at this thread, glad to see how well everyone is getting along.

[AlphaDogMeat . 493]

Just stopped by to take a peek at this thread, glad to see how well everyone is getting along.

Did you peek in 3pp or 1pp?

[sloasdaylight 129]

The 1st person only crowd never fails to disappoint. They incessantly complain about something that isn't going to change, and then whine and whine to try to force more people to play the game they want, with little to no regard to anyone except for themselves and their point of view.

 

ALL THE HC SERVERS ARE ALWAYS EMPTY, AND GOD FORBID I START PLAYING ON ONE TO MAKE IT NOT EMPTY.

 

Ironically enough, most of these people are the same ones who complain about the KoS fest that the game currently is, while emphatically denying that the reason they're looking for full servers is because they want to get into some PvP combat.

 

DayZ is about surviving (or it's supposed to/will be), so go out and wander the wilderness. There's no law saying you can't dump all your gear on the beach and start again if you're looking for a challenge.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

Did you peek in 3pp or 1pp?

 

3p clearly. Scrub.

[kakysas666 191]

well, only 1 person out of 10 plays hardcore, and that's being generous. People always liked easy things, they are the same people who play the new game in easy (or rookie) mode too. 3pp isn't normal or casual even. It is easy mode. It's like typing in god mode into console and pretending to be good at game.

[jukaga 271]

What does it hold these days and aren't their tow version? Rope+sack and rope+sack+sticks?

Rope-sack-sticks holds 16 slots I think. Enough for me, I can fit all I need in there. Though I do pick up hunter's packs to replace it. The Talon and Mountain packs are just 'shoot me' beacons.

[sloasdaylight 129]

well, only 1 person out of 10 plays hardcore, and that's being generous. People always liked easy things, they are the same people who play the new game in easy (or rookie) mode too. 3pp isn't normal or casual even. It is easy mode. It's like typing in god mode into console and pretending to be good at game.

 

Rofl.

 

Comparing 3pp in DayZ to Godmode. Pack it in guys, the debate is over, there can be no logical retort to this claim; it is beyond critique.

I've not seen something that stupid since I stopped going to /b/.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

The 1st person only crowd never fails to disappoint. They incessantly complain about something that isn't going to change, and then whine and whine to try to force more people to play the game they want, with little to no regard to anyone except for themselves and their point of view.

 

ALL THE HC SERVERS ARE ALWAYS EMPTY, AND GOD FORBID I START PLAYING ON ONE TO MAKE IT NOT EMPTY.

 

Ironically enough, most of these people are the same ones who complain about the KoS fest that the game currently is, while emphatically denying that the reason they're looking for full servers is because they want to get into some PvP combat.

 

DayZ is about surviving (or it's supposed to/will be), so go out and wander the wilderness. There's no law saying you can't dump all your gear on the beach and start again if you're looking for a challenge.

 

Nice sweeping statement there bro. People who dislike 3p = people who whine about KoS. Ok buddy...

[kakysas666 191]

Nice sweeping statement there bro. People who dislike 3p = people who whine about KoS. Ok buddy...

 

Nah, only in babycore servers people whine about KOS it is much harder to KOS when you don't have magical 270 degree vision and can't look around corners or fences without exposing yourself. Hardcore players are actually even more friendlier, less children.

[sloasdaylight 129]

Nice sweeping statement there bro. People who dislike 3p = people who whine about KoS. Ok buddy...

No more sweeping than the constant cries from the 1st person crowd declaring anyone who plays 3p

• is only doing it because its easymode
• are bad at the game
• can't hack it in 1p
• are basically cheating
• are actually cheating
• are the reason DayZ is terrible
• are console casuals
• ruin the game
• are 12 year olds
• don't understand what the game is about
• only want to PvP and don't care about survival

and on and on I could go. Seriously, peruse these forums, and you'll see these claims made by members of the 1p only crowd. Hell, you could probably find them in this thread if you care to wade through all the semi-literate e-peen wagging that goes on whenever this subject is brought up.

[sloasdaylight 129]

Yea I agree.

 

3pp is inherently bad for any sort of competitive game due to the unnatural advantages gained due to the perspective.

 

That being said I was merely stating that there are solutions or compromises that could bring both sides of the argument to an agreement.

 

DayZ is not a Competitive game. There is no pre-defined objective to a life, other than surviving, which - if you want to call that competitive - is hugely boring and requires/involves little to no human interaction whatsoever, especially now that hunting/gathering is in the game. Restricting the camera to 1st person only won't suddenly make DayZ competitive. You'd have to remove the sandbox nature of the game entirely, or add artificial restrictions/limitations to the game and servers (everyone spawns with an M4+clip, within a 1km radius of Grishino) and add victory conditions (last man standing, last team standing, first to occupy xyz building, etc.).

DayZ is not CoD, CS, BF, or *insert competitive FPS game here*.

[PhillyT 554]

Exactly.  Enough with the 3pp threads.  Hardcore is a thing.  Go play it.

[gibonez 3633]

DayZ is not a Competitive game. There is no pre-defined objective to a life, other than surviving, which - if you want to call that competitive - is hugely boring and requires/involves little to no human interaction whatsoever, especially now that hunting/gathering is in the game. Restricting the camera to 1st person only won't suddenly make DayZ competitive. You'd have to remove the sandbox nature of the game entirely, or add artificial restrictions/limitations to the game and servers (everyone spawns with an M4+clip, within a 1km radius of Grishino) and add victory conditions (last man standing, last team standing, first to occupy xyz building, etc.).

DayZ is not CoD, CS, BF, or *insert competitive FPS game here*.

 

How is it not a competitive game.

The stakes are the highest of any game the game essentially is a mini rougelite the "permadeath" turns it into an extremely competitive game and it only makes sense for somethng like the 3pp crutch to not exist in a game like dayz in a game where life should be super important and precious.

 

BTw a game does not have to be an mlg or arena shooter to be a competitive game.

[sloasdaylight 129]

How is it not a competitive game.

The stakes are the highest of any game the game essentially is a mini rougelite the "permadeath" turns it into an extremely competitive game and it only makes sense for somethng like the 3pp crutch to not exist in a game like dayz in a game where life should be super important and precious.

 

BTw a game does not have to be an mlg or arena shooter to be a competitive game.

There aren't any objectives to this game, other than to survive. A lack of objectives, combined with a sandbox nature makes the game not be competitive.

Simply because there are serious consequences to dying in game (permadeath, as you mention) doesn't mean that the game is competitive.

I'm well aware that a game doesn't have to be an MLG or an arena shooter to be competitive, but those games, as well as any competitive game that I'm aware of, has victory conditions and has limitations on the individuals competing. DayZ has neither, so you can't call it competitive. It's high stakes for sure, you won't find argument from me on that point, but it's not competitive unless there are artificial and external victory conditions added to the game.

[gibonez 3633]

It is a solution but you like to exploit the view so you don't like it. BTW, zombies pop in and out of view in first person. If I lean out from a wall - zombie see...if I lean back...zombie don't see

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

Lean out....Zombie See

Lean back...Zombie Don't See

 

 

See? (Or don't see?)

 

The developer of the said he had fixed it in newer versions of the mod with a fade system. you also have to remember that the mod does not work on people that are further away than 200m to avoid having them pop in and out of existence.

 

The mod is indeed the perfect solution along with a camera reposition to avoid having to have the mod itself be noticeable.

 

I see the 4th wall mod as a extra barrier of security to stop people from seeing over and around objects including through buildings but the real solution is a lower camera position that makes it impossible to see above you when prone or crouched.

 

 

 

There aren't any objectives to this game, other than to survive. A lack of objectives, combined with a sandbox nature makes the game not be competitive.

Simply because there are serious consequences to dying in game (permadeath, as you mention) doesn't mean that the game is competitive.

I'm well aware that a game doesn't have to be an MLG or an arena shooter to be competitive, but those games, as well as any competitive game that I'm aware of, has victory conditions and has limitations on the individuals competing. DayZ has neither, so you can't call it competitive. It's high stakes for sure, you won't find argument from me on that point, but it's not competitive unless there are artificial and external victory conditions added to the game.

 

 

You are competing for resources for land what else is more competitive.

 

The objective is to survive and prepare your character and group the best way possible and one way to do it is by eliminating people who compete for resources or outright avoiding them.

 

How is this not competitive again ?

Edited June 20, 2014 by gibonez

[Sooden 301]

No. Kill or castrate them to clean up the gene-pool.

 

you remind me of my kid brother. one day, i just gave them everything they wanted. and they were so confused as, they where still angry, but have nothing to complain about.

 

you know hating is just hurting your self if you can't change what fills you with hate? So just let it be, you can pretend that 3pp server don't exist and just play 1pp, unless you just have so much hate, and this is just a convenient place/topic to vent it on :P

 

i hope you work out your issues, then you can have fun on dayz. hugz

Edited June 20, 2014 by Sooden

[Jeansie 37]

You are competing for resources for land what else is more competitive.

 

The objective is to survive and prepare your character and group the best way possible and one way to do it is by eliminating people who compete for resources or outright avoiding them.

 

How is this not competitive again?

 

Is there a tournament scene for DayZ like CoD, CS, Starcraft 2, LoL, Dota? No

 

Is there gonna be one? No. Because there are no Winning conditions or failure state. 

 

It has no rounds, timer or point system.

 

Therefore the game is not competitive.

Edited June 20, 2014 by Jeansie

[gannon46 788]

competitive hahahahaha really really? that's funny I got a good chuckle thx for that. as for competing for resources what resources do you speak of do you mean the huge amounts of food and ammo the guns that spawn in every building nearly

because if that's what you mean then your delusional. as the cat said above me in an earlier post there are no rounds no

banner that comes up and says YOU WIN so if you can't win something or beat a game how is it competitive the definition is ,the person or people with whom one is competing, especially in a commercial or sporting arena; the opposition. so its not a sporting arena,its not commercial such as a business and as for opposition that depends on the player do you really see every player as opposition if so you are delusional or an asshole or both sir and also quite shallow I presume.i could be wrong and you just say its competitive to keep you playing and if that's the case do what you must to keep testing goodluck in your competitive anti-game with no objectives or story-line and no score.edit as for competing for land you can't farm and you can't build anything such as a base or a house you can't lock doors and houses have no

persistant storage if any of these things were in the game then I would atleast agree with that yet I

can't. And if your talking about taking town which you can't own not with money but rather build or put up a flag with your crest then you don't own it and its not yours.

Edited June 20, 2014 by gannon46

[LigerRider 82]

Yeah, but we know that nobody playing Hardcore fires from the hip, that's for lamecore console casual gamers.

Please tell me that was sarcasm.

[gibonez 3633]

Is there a tournament scene for DayZ like CoD, CS, Starcraft 2, LoL, Dota? No

 

Is there gonna be one? No. Because there are no Winning conditions or failure state. 

 

It has no rounds, timer or point system.

 

Therefore the game is not competitive.

 

Once again what does tournaments have to do with a game being competitive?

 

What does rounds, a timer or points system.

 

The game does not need to have a scoring system , a official tournament sponsor to be a competitive game.

 

People compete in game for resources and land this is where the competition lies and it is one that has far greater penalties due to perma death.

 

you can keep saying dayz is not a competitive game but in reality it has every bullet point to make it one.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Once again what does tournaments have to do with a game being competitive?

What does rounds, a timer or points system.

The game does not need to have a scoring system , a official tournament sponsor to be a competitive game.

People compete in game for resources and land this is where the competition lies and it is one that has far greater penalties due to perma death.

you can keep saying dayz is not a competitive game but in reality it has every bullet point to make it one.

I'd have to disagree. DayZ is not a competitive game IMO. There is no way to "win". It's just the story of your own personal journey in the game.

[Khanarac 252]

You guys have no bloody idea what a competitive game is. Ever played dayzero? It's almost exactly what Standalone will become as soon as the weaponry arsenal increases and vehicles and lootstoringmeasures are implemented. Yesterday my team got wiped by an enemy team, then we reequiped and wiped another whole 7 guys squad. How is that not competitive? We fought for dominance on the airfield. And in the future it will only increase as new weapons and items may spawn from crashsites. When the silencers start working the m4 will be the only rifle with a silencer, that alone will make the m4 more desired than ever, and groups will battle for crashsites.