My plea to remove military gear

[Lazengogh 5]

Hi ya all. 

 

Been playing Dayz for a while now and mostly enjoyed it. I love to help others, i love to be helped, but i also love a good gunfight between players. I never kill an unarmed person if he does not threat me, but if i'd see a full-mil-gear player with his/her m4 on hand, i will shoot on sight. At least try to :3 ... 

 

Since there are so many people who only seem to see this as a DM game and various other reasons, i would really love to see military gear to be either very very very super rare, or removed altogether. Including composite helmets, vests and assault rifles etc. In my mind this game would be perfect if you could find just shotguns, old bolt-action hunting rifles (with or without scope), pistols, revolvers and maybe semi-auto rifles (hunting ones with small clip) on a very rare occasions. After all, we are playing DayZ, not Arma. I really love a good gunfight, and people who want to kill everyone on sight are mostly OK, (except the ones who shoot unarmed people for no reason etc), but please make the ability to shoot the gun matter! One time i was killed by a guy who had to empty half of his/hers rounds with his M4 before he actually hit me leathally. 

 

So, make each bullet count. Make ability to use the gun count. I don't want to die because some 12yo kid has made a trip to an airfield before me and he will kill me (barely) with 30 5.56mm rounds. 

 

 

[karlkurtz32 59]

Have you played experimental? M4s are only found at heli crash sites.

[nexventor 429]

This is will not happen as discussed by the Dev's multiple times. However there will be some balancing during BETA phase but you will be disappointed as it is not going to be anywhere near what you hope for.

 

Just on that, if you make mil spec weapons super rare then what will happen is one or two people will rule the server. 

[rickyriot 1009]

You seem to be conflating two issues here. Being killed by others and military gear, they are not mutually inclusive. You could remove all the weapons until you were left with pistols and shotguns and you'd still have 12yo's killing people on sight.

 

However, I do agree that there should be a limit on the weaponry. If you were to imagine the realities of a zombie apocalypse you wouldn't have military (or even civilian) gear just lying about and certainly not stacked neatly in barracks. That stuff would have been used long before now, and what hadn't been taken, lost or broken would be left without ammunition. In reality user crafted weapons would be the only things left along with a few remnants.

Edited June 17, 2014 by ricp

[frosti 2165]

 

Just on that, if you make mil spec weapons super rare then what will happen is one or two people will rule the server.

 

I was about to write super long post but this pretty much summed it up.

[frosti 2165]

 

If you were to imagine the realities of a zombie apocalypse you wouldn't have military (or even civilian) gear just lying about and certainly not stacked neatly in barracks. That stuff would have been used long before now, and what hadn't been taken, lost or broken would be left without ammunition. In reality user crafted weapons would be the only things left along with a few remnants.

 

My theory is that people tried to make fortress/barricade themselves in the barracks/military bases and they got overrun by zombies, they died but some of their guns stayed there.

[Bororm 1156]

It just makes it more satisfying to kill people with better gear with "shittier" gear.  I love shooting guys using m4s with my double barrel (at least when it's not broken, as it is currently) or a blaze or even revolver.  In that sense skill does matter.  All the guns are lethal.

 

I don't think military gear should be removed, it makes sense in the game's setting.  I'd love a wild west themed sandbox game though.

 

When the game opens up to modding maybe you'll see something more in line with what you want.

[{ZTF}Gamma 4]

Heres a suggestion, play Epoch. You can buy gear on that. With in game gold. Aquired from missions. Standalone isn't the only DayZ out there people.

[Evil Minion 943]

Well thats actually a big argument against Epoch.

Just on that, if you make mil spec weapons super rare then what will happen is one or two people will rule the server. 

Because there is absolutely no chance that rare items would be spilt between multiple players. Or that some undergeared people just gang up and kill the "ruler". Clearly having that awesome military rifle would spawn its ammo right next to you.

 

Military gear should be pretty rare - not as rare as "one gun per server" but rare enough to have the majority of players rely on civilian gear (reminder: in this setting both the Mosin and the SKS are civilian weapons).

[frosti 2165]

 

Because there is absolutely no chance that rare items would be spilt between multiple players. Or that some undergeared people just gang up and kill the "ruler". Clearly having that awesome military rifle would spawn its ammo right next to you.

 

 Yeah.......... just like we have now, all the newspawns work together to secure NEAF for other survivors and clear it from bandits...oh wait.

[qww 287]

op, as you shoot on sight anyone with an m4 or military gear, that makes you one of the people you talk about, who only sees the game as a death match.

[JosephHabib 8]

Hello my friends! I saw a post on someone disliking military gear. I can agree with spawning of all weapons besides blaze double riffles getting a smaller spawnrate. Not completely removed/only in one certain area. If you got killed by someone who looted an airfield before you then that's just part of the game. Is not fair to want to remove it because you don't play stealthy. I have visted balota and died by people with military gear many times yet I don't want it to be removed.

 

It is your job as a hero to loot yourself up and try to use better tactics to kill/capture people. I am trying to train my friends to shoot peoples legs and let them live (unless of course we are too close to do so and we are too much endanger) Then we can put a bag over someones head and heal them after you talk a bit.

 

Bandits are part of the game and I have learned that the hard way many times. If military gear is rare that wont stop the fact that someone is going to kill you. It will actually make more people want to murder you if its more rare. I don't mind the spawn rates being lowered as I said. But its not like you can get incredibly OP from server jumping many times to get what you want. You still have risks of getting shot/server log times/a chance that someone kills your PVP log character and much more by doing so.

I think that Basic Millitary stuff like TTsKO Gear should not be so rare while m4a1 should be a bit more rare. As long as you use tactics you should be safe. You might die once in a while but that's the game for you! Use each weapon and position to your advantage so you do not have as much trouble.

 

My friend was with me 10 minutes before I was banned. We were already attacked once by a guy m4 and his friend who took my friends mosin after he killed him (another friend). My other friend had an m4a1 and ended up killing one of them :D       . Then shortly after I got killed by 2 people who rushed in our camping spot. My friend once again slaughtered the enemy. We were in that red house near the PD at elektro and they were camping at the bottom of the stair case at the side. Use your surroundings the best you can to get the best position. I rushed in with a double barrel with the double mode on and missed and I got shot in the head. Don't follow habib tactics. XD 

 

 

[spartacusrex 88]

Hi ya all. 

 

Been playing Dayz for a while now and mostly enjoyed it. I love to help others, i love to be helped, but i also love a good gunfight between players. I never kill an unarmed person if he does not threat me, but if i'd see a full-mil-gear player with his/her m4 on hand, i will shoot on sight. At least try to :3 ... 

 

Since there are so many people who only seem to see this as a DM game and various other reasons, i would really love to see military gear to be either very very very super rare, or removed altogether. Including composite helmets, vests and assault rifles etc. In my mind this game would be perfect if you could find just shotguns, old bolt-action hunting rifles (with or without scope), pistols, revolvers and maybe semi-auto rifles (hunting ones with small clip) on a very rare occasions. After all, we are playing DayZ, not Arma. I really love a good gunfight, and people who want to kill everyone on sight are mostly OK, (except the ones who shoot unarmed people for no reason etc), but please make the ability to shoot the gun matter! One time i was killed by a guy who had to empty half of his/hers rounds with his M4 before he actually hit me leathally. 

 

So, make each bullet count. Make ability to use the gun count. I don't want to die because some 12yo kid has made a trip to an airfield before me and he will kill me (barely) with 30 5.56mm rounds. 

 

The opinions of the Kill on Sight types are utterly without value to me.

 

I don't even wear Military Gear but if I saw you shoot someone because of their clothing, you're next.

Edited June 17, 2014 by Spartacus Rex

[Goove 70]

hahah 

[gannon46 788]

it'll never happen until the games finished then its modded. maybe a server type like 2017 it had hardly any guns at all and if you found one it had 2 bullets ammo,food was rare especially the canned type that version was brutal. just wait and wait some more. hell I'm doing dayz sa like an investment I don't like it now at all or what it'll probably end up but once other like minded folks get ahold of it eventually I'm sure they'll be something to fit my taste and if not i'll just stick with the mod and call it a lesson learned. and by the way OP nothing gets these mil guys in a twist more than killing them with a crossbow lol. I like more medieval types of weapons hell if I could I would camo myself in mud and the leaves of the area I'm in, screw mil stuff everything we need should be around us camo, weapons all of it. if guys want to put bullseyes on themselves let them the lifespan of mil area/mil geared guys are short so just use your best weapon in dayz and it doesn't spawn your brain its OP as hell lol.

Edited June 18, 2014 by gannon46

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

it'll never happen until the games finished then its modded. maybe a server type like 2017 it had hardly any guns at all and if you found one it had 2 bullets ammo,food was rare especially the canned type that version was brutal. just wait and wait some more. hell I'm doing dayz sa like an investment I don't like it now at all or what it'll probably end up but once other like minded folks get ahold of it eventually I'm sure they'll be something to fit my taste and if not i'll just stick with the mod and call it a lesson learned.

Except when mods do come out we'll most likely have 1 in 20 servers be a true post apocalypse hardcore survival where as the rest would be just ARMA all over again on a new engine

[Yuval 221]

Hi ya all. 

 

Been playing Dayz for a while now and mostly enjoyed it. I love to help others, i love to be helped, but i also love a good gunfight between players. I never kill an unarmed person if he does not threat me, but if i'd see a full-mil-gear player with his/her m4 on hand, i will shoot on sight. At least try to :3 ... 

 

Since there are so many people who only seem to see this as a DM game and various other reasons, i would really love to see military gear to be either very very very super rare, or removed altogether. Including composite helmets, vests and assault rifles etc. In my mind this game would be perfect if you could find just shotguns, old bolt-action hunting rifles (with or without scope), pistols, revolvers and maybe semi-auto rifles (hunting ones with small clip) on a very rare occasions. After all, we are playing DayZ, not Arma. I really love a good gunfight, and people who want to kill everyone on sight are mostly OK, (except the ones who shoot unarmed people for no reason etc), but please make the ability to shoot the gun matter! One time i was killed by a guy who had to empty half of his/hers rounds with his M4 before he actually hit me leathally. 

 

So, make each bullet count. Make ability to use the gun count. I don't want to die because some 12yo kid has made a trip to an airfield before me and he will kill me (barely) with 30 5.56mm rounds. 

 

So at which point did you miss your turn to the North-west side of the map?

[hotcakes 348]

OP, you're making a false distinction between military and civilian gear. Sometimes there isn't a difference. For example, in the U.S you can own NFA firearms with proper licensing in the right state, body armor, helmets, and all of other crap you listed. Military specification is sometimes literally the best bang for buck contract the military could get. 

 

I expect the item spawns in the game to be spread out a bit more later. But no, civilian vs military is a false dichotomy. 

Edited June 18, 2014 by hotcakes

[blazinone 72]

Make Hardcore servers truly hardcore by removing military items and making ammo super scarce.

 

What's harder to survive with?

 

1) 500 rounds of ammo and a fully modded assault rifle

2) An axe and a busted hunting rifle with 3 rounds of ammo

[ld-airgrafix 403]

Make Hardcore servers truly hardcore by removing military items and making ammo super scarce.

 

What's harder to survive with?

 

1) 500 rounds of ammo and a fully modded assault rifle

2) An axe and a busted hunting rifle with 3 rounds of ammo

Agree but majority of player base wants superguns, and devs will do what brings more money.

Have a look at any dayz video on youtube, its simply a pvp game. I suppose it is a survival game, as in surviving other players but this game is not a zombie survival game.

[herrjon 478]

I think it's fine as it is, especially in experimental.  It's hardly up to Arma or DayZ mod standards, as the M4 is gun that favors fire rate at the sacrifice of stopping power and long range accuracy, so good for suppression but can be bested by others with equal skill.  We're hardly at a point of super weapons of .50 cals, DMR, M14 AIM and the M240 or Mk 48 Mod 0 in DayZ mod.  And there's no zomb-ease weapon like the M4A1 CCO SD.  I don't see that happening with the direction things are going either, and how they're going to balance things.

 

Military weapons and overall variety aren't bad with proper balancing.  Each weapon has the pros and cons, and the higher tier weapons will still be more rare, with ammo and attachments rare as well.

 

Coming from someone who played DayZ 2017 for awhile, both Chenarus and Namalsk, sticking to ONLY "civilian" or generally low grade weapons isn't a smart idea.  There's no progression, variation, or specialization.  You had a choice of Lee Enfield or Winchester, so one with slightly higher damage and the other with slightly higher fire rate, and using anything else was garbage.  Made things stale and boring fast.  And there wasn't really any "hardcore survival elements" to keep things interesting, which was the whole point of that mod.  Just some food scarcity, lack of bandages on spawn, and some weird skins.

Edited June 18, 2014 by (TMW)HerrJon

[Yuval 221]

Agree but majority of player base wants superguns, and devs will do what brings more money.

Have a look at any dayz video on youtube, its simply a pvp game. I suppose it is a survival game, as in surviving other players but this game is not a zombie survival game.

 

No sir, you're wrong - you just never thought about going NORTH instead of staying on the coast. You can't blame the DEVS because you're dying in berezino and elektro all the time!

 

P.S: There isn't a single supergun in this game. Each gun has it's advantages and disadvantages. Starting with the M4, which if it lacks of MP parts it's super didily-do inaccurate.

 

the mosin, without a bipod / PU scope is not just shit but it's a large massive pile of brown crap

Edited June 18, 2014 by StanleyWasHappy

[Lazengogh 5]

op, as you shoot on sight anyone with an m4 or military gear, that makes you one of the people you talk about, who only sees the game as a death match.

 

You are missing the point. First of all, as of now, this is the game's nature: Lots of ammo and lots of M4's lying around, not much else to do, i totally understand people are playing ARMA DM rather than DayZ. Change the nature of the game by guns that are slow to use. slow fire rate and ammunition should be more rare. I think some sort of DM should always be on the game, but i'd prefer an apocalyptic DM rather than Arma DM. 

 

Yes, i do want to kill M4 guys on sight, but that is just my one man protest against mil-gear + as i said i love a good gunfight. If you gear up so hostile, why shouldn't i have right to shoot you? And to be perfectly clear. I LIKE the fact you are allowed to do what you want. If you want to kill freshspawns on sight, then do so,  you are free to do so, although i find that extremely against the spirit of the game and only as something what 12yo kid with ego-problems would do. 

[alsmir 255]

Been there done that. You should really try some of the less popular, survival oriented servers for the mod.

 

Back to the topic:

You end up with a bunch of well-organised groups that are geared to their teeth and fight each other or shoot bambies out of boredom while almost every single lone wolf/bambi/hero runs around with crap weapons and complains that he can't defend himself.

 

High value loot spawns are camped 24/7, your best option is spotting a heli crash and praying nobody is watching it.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

With the current guns in game there really isn't that much of an advantage for players carrying "military gear". The mosin, blaze and the SKS are all great guns, and if you are just a relatively experienced player, you will not be at any particular disadvantage against m4s or akms (except at very close range).

 

It will be a whole different ball game if/when they add military sniper rifles, lmgs, nv goggles and all that kind of crap, though.