M4 spawns

[DropBearChick 1216]

Hey guys just wanted to share this with you http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/197035-reddit-scubaman3d-on-crashed-helicopters/ post your thoughts below

I personally like the idea

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

I do too. They should be rare. I wonder if this means the AKM has taken its place as a military rifle spawn then. I was a NEAF in the experimental but it had already been looted many times over. I have yet to find the AKM or any magazines for it.

[energeticsheep 95]

I have to say I'm rather happy that the M4 Spawns have been reduced and the AKM's have ultimately been risen.

It's more realistic this way.

[scriptfactory 620]

I think that this change will effectively give clans that own servers a significant advantage if they are allowed to keep kicking. They will just restart the servers over and over again until the crash sites contain the loot they want.

Edited May 22, 2014 by scriptfactory

[gibonez 3633]

Maybe now they can fix the m4 and give it its real life stats.

 

Makes little sense to replace the m4 with a weapon that is more powerful, is nearly twice as accurate and has 75 round magazines.

[DMentMan 707]

it makes sense that M4´s only spawn in crashed helicopters, because that don´t fit in russia. But now thay do, love the new updates. 

[DropBearChick 1216]

Maybe now they can fix the m4 and give it its real life stats.

 

Makes little sense to replace the m4 with a weapon that is more powerful, is nearly twice as accurate and has 75 round magazines.

Remember it's alpha everything's a placeholder

[Bororm 1156]

I am 100% for this, I made posts today about this very topic and tried to start a reddit thread in the same vein, though not the exact same example.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/265gzh/make_new_weapons_exclusivemore_prevalent_to/

 

Very very happy to hear this.

[yorkmorgan 191]

this is great news, now the m4 actually makes sense in the CZ.

[Nails 150]

Sounds great. What about the mags? If they only spawn at random choppers I would hope there would be a reason to pick them up. Maybe only spawn the mags in the western part of the map? I can't imagine someone abandoning a weapon they already have for one there is no place to find ammo at thus making M4s useless, which would for sure be a shame. 

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Sounds great. What about the mags? If they only spawn at random choppers I would hope there would be a reason to pick them up. Maybe only spawn the mags in the western part of the map? I can't imagine someone abandoning a weapon they already have for one there is no place to find ammo at thus making M4s useless, which would for sure be a shame. 

 

I just went through an unlooted Balota and didn't find a single m4 mag. So I suspect they will also only spawn at helicrash sites. AKM mags are really rare as well though. Only found one 30 round during that looting run.

[Nails 150]

I just went through an unlooted Balota and didn't find a single m4 mag. So I suspect they will also only spawn at helicrash sites. AKM mags are really rare as well though. Only found one 30 round during that looting run.

 

I am completely fine with making M4s rare. I just hope they don't make them useless to pick up. Still have yet to find and fire an AKM but I know I will soon!

[gibonez 3633]

I am completely fine with making M4s rare. I just hope they don't make them useless to pick up. Still have yet to find and fire an AKM but I know I will soon!

 

No now they will just be as useless as any of the other magazine fed weapons.

 

Only reason the m4 was used before was because it always spawned magazines near it.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I have to say I'm rather happy that the M4 Spawns have been reduced and the AKM's have ultimately been risen.

It's more realistic this way.

 

Now they just have to get rid of those "rare Magpul M4" that are still in circulation...or else this new feature is meaningless.

[Nails 150]

No now they will just be as useless as any of the other magazine fed weapons.

 

Only reason the m4 was used before was because it always spawned magazines near it.

 

Hopefully further loot balances will fix this. I think pistols and manually reloaded weapons (shotgun or blaze 95) should be the entry-level finds for DayZ survivors.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Anyone know whether the fix of hackmags is implemented in exp? Rocket mentioned they would change it from clientside to serverside so mags couldnt be hacked anymore. If that is in they should definitely do a general characterdatabase reset when this patch goes stable. Especially since with all the m4s out there now, it will be difficult to test how the new loot scarcity of them works.

[Katana67 2907]

Pretty rad, but I think there are a few factors that need to happen before it (helicopter spawns) can be effective. Likewise, I think there are a few things that need to happen as well with regard to the weapons.

 

1. Helicopter spawns need to actually spawn useful weapons. Right now, there's no real utility in using an M4 versus an SKS versus an AK versus a Mosin. There aren't enough "high-end" weapons included to justify a fully significant helicopter spawn. In other words, I won't go searching for helicopter crashes unless something useful/extraordinary spawns there. And the M4 just isn't that useful/extraordinary by comparison to weapons spawning elsewhere.

 

2. Magazines, first, should be separated from ammunition. I don't necessarily want to find a full magazine every time I come across one. Second, I'd like to see STANAG mags, 5.56x45, and M4 attachments still able to spawn outside of helicopter spawns (albeit at a lower rate).

 

3. Helicopter crashes need to be divorced from server restarts. They need to be randomized and/or dynamic, only. Server restarts, ostensibly, will become infrequent. So they need to be dynamically allocated to the server.

Edited May 22, 2014 by Katana67

[agentneo 337]

Anyone know whether the fix of hackmags is implemented in exp? Rocket mentioned they would change it from clientside to serverside so mags couldnt be hacked anymore. If that is in they should definitely do a general characterdatabase reset when this patch goes stable. Especially since with all the m4s out there now, it will be difficult to test how the new loot scarcity of them works.

I tested the thing with the spray paint and it does not work anymore. One bullet stayed in the clip after spraying.

So hopefully it's all fixed, unless there is some other way i don't know about. Ok

[Bororm 1156]

Does anyone know how the helicopter crashes currently spawn?  Is it just at server restart they all spawn or is it random intervals or what?

[Katana67 2907]

Does anyone know how the helicopter crashes currently spawn?  Is it just at server restart they all spawn or is it random intervals or what?

 

Rocket said they are, or were, set up so it picks a random X,Y coordinate and spawns a crash as the game goes on.

 

Not sure if it still works like that (or if it ever really worked like that, as it clearly wasn't random, I never saw a helicopter crash north of Petrovka [since deleted town] ever, or in the woods).

[Bororm 1156]

Rocket said they are, or were, set up so it picks a random X,Y coordinate and spawns a crash as the game goes on.

 

Not sure if it still works like that (or if it ever really worked like that, as it clearly wasn't random, I never saw a helicopter crash north of Petrovka [since deleted town] ever, or in the woods).

 

Found the quotes by him

 

 

Random crashes like the mod. The current models are placeholder, the art team will be making special models.

 

 

They were random in the mod. At least, when I wrote the initial script it was. It selected a random x & y location, spawned the helicopter, on server start.

But not dynamic, as you say.

 

I guess that means they are only on restart at the moment, which is a bit disappointing and I hope changes.  The mod was like that initially but I think the community changed it, so they'd spawn through out up until restart.  It would have been a nice addition currently so as to actually have some form of loot "spawning," since now it will still be first come first serve.  But oh well, I think they just wanted to get it in at this point so I'm sure things will change.

 

In the mod I think they were basically random in any field, except some of the southern ones (never saw one close to cherno or elektro, or basically along the coast) and probably some of the far northern ones.  

Edited May 22, 2014 by Bororm

[Irish. 4886]

Well.. I guess Ill be looking for heli crashes more than anything else now then as the M4 will probably always be my favorite.

 

I like that now it will be very hard to obtain, and gain the full MP pristine setup that was so easy to get at the tent cities. ;)

[PhillyT 554]

M4 is great, but I am an AK guy.

[TheLast-StaR 16]

I have to say I'm rather happy that the M4 Spawns have been reduced and the AKM's have ultimately been risen.

It's more realistic this way.

Except there was UN forces in the "infected region" So therefore they could should still be able to spawn in military locations. Also Mosins are not exactly around every town nowadays , yet we see them often. If anything Mosins should be rare if we're talking reality. Just my Opinion

[Katana67 2907]

Except there was UN forces in the "infected region" So therefore they could should still be able to spawn in military locations. Also Mosins are not exactly around every town nowadays , yet we see them often. If anything Mosins should be rare if we're talking reality. Just my Opinion

 

Nor are modified Kimber Warriors (M1911 in-game), Amphibian S (Amphibia S), FNXs, or Blaser B95s (Blaze 95).

 

Not sure if I agree that Mosins are rare, because they can be bought for less than $100 USD.

 

While I don't think the M4A1 in particular is deserving of a helicopter spawn, I think it's a good model for other weapons once they're implemented.

 

Hopefully, the M4A1 will be re-added to the normal military loot once there are a few more "high-end" weapons out there which really warrant a helicopter-only spawn. Because right now, though this is a good basis and proof-of-concept, the M4 isn't really any better than an SKS, AKM, or Mosin.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Katana67