Why is the Dayz community so bad?

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Its bad because of the indian voodoo people spamming threads.

[almf3 3]

I didn't tell the guy I was going to help him,I was attempting to, so he had no idea of my intentions. He hopped into a game where everyone had expectations of being friendly with other people, or at least not hostile and KOS, and started killing people just to do it. That was the issue. And it's not about hackers, it's about a certain type of people, of which hackers are an example, who probably out of boredom more than anything get in game and just try to aggravate other people. It's not "I got killed in dayz, where the average life is minutes long, and I'm mad about it". Like I said, I have a very clear idea of what the game is and about, from playing quite a lot of it in part. There's been plenty of talk about doing in things in game to discourage KOS when you read through interviews and blogs and all. So you might wanna actually do some investigation on the subject yourself. And to the other person, yeah, I got hostile quick. It's not hard to see the hostility and context of that first response and I have no problem replying in kind. I'd love to be friendly with people in the forums and in game. But I'm not going to cower when someone replies with hostility while not addressing the spirit of the post. If anything it was simply not a well thought out title by me. But again I've been playing since it was the mod and saw the influx of younger gamers for the most part come in and shift the game experience fro something that was tense but could have some interesting outcomes to something that was predominantly a pvp, shoot on sight kind of thing.

[mithrawndo 166]

You guys keep making these analogies that are real life scenarios.  Hitting a basketball out of a persons hand in real life is being an asshole, yes.  Finding your kids tying each other up and force feeding them in real life is disturbing, yes.  The difference is this is a video game, it is make believe and if you realize that then no, it is not a reflection on yourself because you have made that differentiation between reality and not.

 

Do real life assholes play DayZ and also act like assholes in game?  Sure.  The opposite is also likely true.  My issue is with jumping to the conclusion that because of the way a person acts in a game they must be that way in real life.

 

If I'm going to ruin your day in a game, and you decide to let that get to you out of game, I'm sorry but that's your responsibility not mine.  I can't be responsible for what you find fun, that's purely subjective.

 

When you act like a prick in the game, it's not unreasonable for someone to walk away from your encounter with them thinking you are a prick. Regardless of how you justify it, when you connect to an online game you are connecting and having interactions with other human beings.

 

How you act matters and in a very real sense is representative of your psyche: Just because you draw a line between what you find acceptable to do to a human being in virtual reality as opposed to reality doesn't have any impact on your personal mental state, nor does it change the fact that you are hurting another human being. Don't delude yourself; all that shows is that you have received the appropriate social conditioning to fit in to the culture in which you live. There is no such social conditioning available on the internet, hence the predominance of complete and utter twats!

[qww 287]

if some player kills you, its your fault for letting them.

[Bororm 1156]

 

I didn't tell the guy I was going to help him,I was attempting to, so he had no idea of my intentions. He hopped into a game where everyone had expectations of being friendly with other people, or at least not hostile and KOS, and started killing people just to do it. That was the issue. And it's not about hackers, it's about a certain type of people, of which hackers are an example, who probably out of boredom more than anything get in game and just try to aggravate other people. It's not "I got killed in dayz, where the average life is minutes long, and I'm mad about it". Like I said, I have a very clear idea of what the game is and about, from playing quite a lot of it in part. There's been plenty of talk about doing in things in game to discourage KOS when you read through interviews and blogs and all. So you might wanna actually do some investigation on the subject yourself. And to the other person, yeah, I got hostile quick. It's not hard to see the hostility and context of that first response and I have no problem replying in kind. I'd love to be friendly with people in the forums and in game. But I'm not going to cower when someone replies with hostility while not addressing the spirit of the post. If anything it was simply not a well thought out title by me. But again I've been playing since it was the mod and saw the influx of younger gamers for the most part come in and shift the game experience fro something that was tense but could have some interesting outcomes to something that was predominantly a pvp, shoot on sight kind of thing.

 

 

You're making assumptions about his intentions.  Did he say "I'm killing you to ruin your day MuaHAhahHAa"?  He killed you on a server that was labeled friendly.  You have no idea if he even bothered to read that label, or if he had killed anyone else or what his intentions were at all beyond that he killed you.  So why jump to these conclusions?  You automatically assume hes on there to wreck people's times?  That he's just after cheap kills?  Why, there is absolutely no evidence for it and the only result is that you've become frustrated due to it.

 

I jumped on a friendly server the other day by accident, I joined it before I even read the description.  I logged on literally to a guy holding a gun to my head, so I tried to shoot him and died.  Then I respawned and got on with my life.  I didn't give a shit that it said "friendly only" because unless they were going to kick me, I was there to play DayZ.  It wasn't a matter of "oh man, I'm totally going to try to wreck these people's time" it was, well, I don't want to wait 400 seconds to switch servers.

 

You don't know these people's intentions or motivations so jumping to conclusions and calling them assholes doesn't do anything, except make you look bad and seemingly cause you frustration.

Edited May 1, 2014 by Bororm

[almf3 3]

Again, that's not really a response to his or my own comments about it. I can only judge people based on their interactions with me. Because people act a certain way doesn't mean they kick puppies out in life but if they do things to aggravate and disrupt people solely for that purpose then they're acting in a negative manner intentionally. Just because it doesn't paint them in a positive light and points out a character flaw doesn't mean it's not true. I've been hostile to a particular person in this post. I can't say "but I'm not hostile and I'm always super nice". Obviously I'm not. But I'm not going to try to sugar coat my behavior to make myself or other people feel better and be fake.

[nexventor 429]

no i read the whole original post

 

why are you now changing your story to" oh no its the hackers i have a problem with", there is no mention of this in the op

 

Moving the goal posts, that old chestnut lol

 

 

 

The thing that I find exceptionally amusing (yes more than the OP) is the fact that by posting this type of thread, almf3, all the people before him and all the people after him actually increase the desire for me and others like me to keep being "assholes" in game. It's getting a reaction, the exact reaction we desire. You are playing straight into our hands.

 

Do I care, if you think I am an asshole? Nope! You could call me all the names under the sun and that just fuels the fire baby.

 

I tell you what makes me think twice about KoS and other general arseholery. Seeing other people have cool interactions with people, that makes me think, "shit maybe I should talk to this person."

 

BUT then this flash comes across my mind and I think to all the threads like this and say to myself "nah this dude gonna be raging" BOOM HEADSHOT!

[Whyherro123 2283]

Ah, the old "Great Internet Fuckwad Theory". 

Just because it doesn't happen in "real life", doesn't mean it can't affect someone in real life.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Moving the goal posts, that old chestnut lol

 

 

 

The thing that I find exceptionally amusing (yes more than the OP) is the fact that by posting this type of thread, almf3, all the people before him and all the people after him actually increase the desire for me and others like me to keep being "assholes" in game. It's getting a reaction, the exact reaction we desire. You are playing straight into our hands.

 

Do I care, if you think I am an asshole? Nope! You could call me all the names under the sun and that just fuels the fire baby.

 

I tell you what makes me think twice about KoS and other general arseholery. Seeing other people have cool interactions with people, that makes me think, "shit maybe I should talk to this person."

 

BUT then this flash comes across my mind and I think to all the threads like this and say to myself "nah this dude gonna be raging" BOOM HEADSHOT!

I weep for our generation...that is, I am assuming you are the same age as I. If you are, in fact, older (this has happened before.), then I weep for our combined futures. For mine, for being such pricks, and for yours, for teaching ours it is ok to be a dick.

 

[almf3 3]

Haha well, there's you making assumptions. He came uo the stairs, repeated "friendly" and "how are you doing bro?". And when I made the stupid little wave sign and started to type I caught a fire axe to the head before I could UNHOLSTER my handgun. So clearly he had the intention of get to g close enough to me under false pretenses to do what he was set on. And you're right, he might not have seen the server description but the 4-5 messages that popped up on screen after spawn saying the admin wanted it to be a friendly server and didn't want any killing was pretty hard to miss. And the fact that he apparently did it to other people, which I found out when running around trying to warm people to watch themselves after I respawned, showed that his intention was definitely killing people and apparently not even looting. I have more grounds to guess at his intention than you.

[Bororm 1156]

When you act like a prick in the game, it's not unreasonable for someone to walk away from your encounter with them thinking you are a prick. Regardless of how you justify it, when you connect to an online game you are connecting and having interactions with other human beings.

 

How you act matters and in a very real sense is representative of your psyche: Just because you draw a line between what you find acceptable to do to a human being in virtual reality as opposed to reality doesn't have any impact on your personal mental state, nor does it change the fact that you are hurting another human being. Don't delude yourself; all that shows is that you have received the appropriate social conditioning to fit in to the culture in which you live. There is no such social conditioning available on the internet, hence the predominance of complete and utter twats!

 

If another human being decides to be hurt over what amounts to imagination games, then at that point I'd say it's on them for not differentiating between fantasy and reality.  If you don't like interacting with them, don't, no ones forcing you to.

 

Flip the scenario and are you going to say the same thing?  Some real life criminal acts like a hero in game, being generous and kind.  Is he suddenly actually just a repressed good person?

[mithrawndo 166]

You don't know these people's intentions or motivations so jumping to conclusions and calling them assholes doesn't do anything, except make you look bad and seemingly cause you frustration.

 

Exactly the same can be said about the treatment of the OP and the OPs treatment of the first hostile respondent!

almf3: The community isn't all bad, don't be disheartened. Next time you play make sure you have your headset plugged in, as it's pretty much mandatory to survive in DayZ SA!

 

Ah, the old "Great Internet Fuckwad Theory". 

Just because it doesn't happen in "real life", doesn't mean it can't affect someone in real life.

 

The more fascinating aspect of it is the denial practiced by our peers about how this represents their mental state to the world. I work in the service industry and not a day goes by where I don't meet a customer and have a genuine urge to handcuff them and force feed them, then shoot them in the head. I am comfortable with this, as I know I won't ever actually do it - I'm appropriately conditioned to deal with all the wankers the world throws at me. However, put me into a virtual environment with no consequences, in which I've had no social conditioning...

[almf3 3]

Haha its aggravating in the game. But like I said, it clearly shows you to be pretty pathetic in a general light. The people who seek to have reactions like that and need to control the reasons for those reactions are ALWAYS insecure and sad. When you do that to aggravate people then feed on it getting what you want, I take comfort in the fact that you're probably a loser and a social pariah and then I feel all better haha.

[nexventor 429]

I weep for our generation...that is, I am assuming you are the same age as I. If you are, in fact, older (this has happened before.), then I weep for our combined futures. For mine, for being such pricks, and for yours, for teaching ours it is ok to be a dick.

 

 

Lol, you guys know this is a game right? right????????

 

Fuck I am glad I didn't show you guys the "Tribute to harry" vid. LMAO

 

You should weep for how god damn sensitive your generation is. Wrapped in cotton wool and all that jazz

[Bororm 1156]

Moving the goal posts, that old chestnut lol

 

 

 

The thing that I find exceptionally amusing (yes more than the OP) is the fact that by posting this type of thread, almf3, all the people before him and all the people after him actually increase the desire for me and others like me to keep being "assholes" in game. It's getting a reaction, the exact reaction we desire. You are playing straight into our hands.

 

Do I care, if you think I am an asshole? Nope! You could call me all the names under the sun and that just fuels the fire baby.

 

I tell you what makes me think twice about KoS and other general arseholery. Seeing other people have cool interactions with people, that makes me think, "shit maybe I should talk to this person."

 

BUT then this flash comes across my mind and I think to all the threads like this and say to myself "nah this dude gonna be raging" BOOM HEADSHOT!

 

Same.

I used to like to grief people a lot in UO then I pretty much quit, and am generally pleasant in most games these days.  It just makes me basically want to piss people off to the point of making them wake the fuck up and realize it's a video game and to quit getting their panties in a bunch.

 

Honestly, there's not even a lot you can do in DayZ to genuinely be an asshole to them.  The game allows you to remove yourself from pretty much any situation where you could be harassed.  Apparently it's enough to just kill people these days though.

I blame a huge gap in online gaming of a lack of games in which you could actually have the freedom to interact with other players "negatively" and as a result many of these people just aren't conditioned to playing a game where the mechanics don't protect them from interacting with people with different playstyles than them.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Lol, you guys know this is a game right? right????????

 

Fuck I am glad I didn't show you guys the "Tribute to harry" vid. LMAO

 

You should weep for how god damn sensitive your generation is. Wrapped in cotton wool and all that jazz

Again, I am assuming you are older than me.

In that case, go back to school, or, better yet, come over here to the US, because apparently the public schools in the US teach you how to articulate ideas far far better than their Australian counterparts. 

TL,DR; Use your words, it will make you seem smarter. This is important, because right now you come across as rather brusque, adding to your "dickish, trolling persona".

[almf3 3]

It's not the fact that there's a "hurt". It's the fact that people seek to instill a hurt. If you feel the need to ruin someone's experience in something just to do it or because you love acting negatively toward someone, it's a character flaw. You can't say you do it but you're not accountable to it. That's silly. If someone's super kind to someone and it's simply to be kind, then yes, there's a part that's kind. They may be a murderer and psycho. That's actually quite common. A lot of serial killers and even dictators had quite a few "positive" qualities personality wise. Lime I said acting like a jerk in game doesn't mean you're bad to the core but there's certainly a portion of you that is, in fact, a jerk. That's kinda how it works. It's not about real life or virtual. It's about how you choose to interact with other people. And if you choose negatively, that's negative, self explanatory.

[Bororm 1156]

Exactly the same can be said about the treatment of the OP and the OPs treatment of the first hostile respondent!

almf3: The community isn't all bad, don't be disheartened. Next time you play make sure you have your headset plugged in, as it's pretty much mandatory to survive in DayZ SA!

 

 

The more fascinating aspect of it is the denial practiced by our peers about how this represents their mental state to the world. I work in the service industry and not a day goes by where I don't meet a customer and have a genuine urge to handcuff them and force feed them, then shoot them in the head. I am comfortable with this, as I know I won't ever actually do it - I'm appropriately conditioned to deal with all the wankers the world throws at me. However, put me into a virtual environment with no consequences, in which I've had no social conditioning...

 

I mean that's cool if you get those impulses and are able to restrain them but I can tell you without a shred of dishonesty that I've never felt like I wanted to act out something negative I did in game to real people.  That's not to say I haven't had thoughts of doing fucked up shit or whatever, I'm a human being and it's part of our nature, but I honestly keep video games and reality separate.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Same.

I used to like to grief people a lot in UO then I pretty much quit, and am generally pleasant in most games these days.  It just makes me basically want to piss people off to the point of making them wake the fuck up and realize it's a video game and to quit getting their panties in a bunch.

 

Honestly, there's not even a lot you can do in DayZ to genuinely be an asshole to them.  The game allows you to remove yourself from pretty much any situation where you could be harassed.  Apparently it's enough to just kill people these days though.

I blame a huge gap in online gaming of a lack of games in which you could actually have the freedom to interact with other players "negatively" and as a result many of these people just aren't conditioned to playing a game where the mechanics don't protect them from interacting with people with different playstyles than them.

I don't have any problem with killing in-game. Hell, I've done it before. Just because I am against KOS does not mean I have never got my hands dirty.

 

What I dislike is griefing and trolling. There is a difference between PvP and just plain fucking with someone to make them mad.

If they get mad because you take them out in a "fair" fight, then you might have cause to complain about them being soft. But, if they get pissed because they keep getting shot on the beach just after spawning, or they just want to learn the damn game and you wipe them to "teach them a lesson", you just might be the problem here. And, coincidentally, a dick.

[mithrawndo 166]

If another human being decides to be hurt over what amounts to imagination games, then at that point I'd say it's on them for not differentiating between fantasy and reality.  If you don't like interacting with them, don't, no ones forcing you to.

 

Flip the scenario and are you going to say the same thing?  Some real life criminal acts like a hero in game, being generous and kind.  Is he suddenly actually just a repressed good person?

 

1. What you perceive through your senses only amount to "imagination games" themselves. Your - and my - existence are still logically debatable.
2. If your actions - by whatever medium - cause harm to another, it is your responsibility. For example, there is no difference between the interpretation of character or motive for calling someone a dick on this forum as opposed to doing so in real life. Why therefore should there be any perceived difference between the same when abusing someone in a game as opposed to in real life?
3. A "Real life criminal" is simply someone who has broken the rules of the society into which they are conditioned (and been caught for it). They are in fact simply liberated from their social conditioning and likely no more or less of a fuckwad than you or I.

 

Honestly, look into sociopathy and it's ties with Aspergers, Autism and ADD - you'll find some incredibly interesting reading that will likely make you rethink how you approach interactions in games like DayZ.

[almf3 3]

Haha I don't expect to be protected in dayz. Like I said this server was just made with a particular thing in mind from what I saw. Getting killed wasn't the issue, it was just a "really? Just have to be a troll?". I enjoy playing games I'm not particularly good at, I enjoy the practice and progression. And the fact that this one is basically the wild west where there's no particular etiquette or script is part of the allure. It was just more the frustration that apparently people can't be asked for courtesy, anywhere, ever.

[nexventor 429]

Again, I am assuming you are older than me.

In that case, go back to school, or, better yet, come over here to the US, because apparently the public schools in the US teach you how to articulate ideas far far better than their Australian counterparts. 

TL,DR; Use your words, it will make you seem smarter. This is important, because right now you come across as rather brusque, adding to your "dickish, trolling persona".

 

Lol YAH! Another I have no point so I will belittle the poster post.

 

Do you seriously think for one split second that I care, what you may or may not think of me. Seriously? You are words on a screen to me. I couldn't careless if you think I am the biggest ubertroollz asshole in the world, it really really doesn't phase me at all. But ever time you act in this childish manner, is another person dead.

 

You guys just killed 20 people tonight, I hope you are proud of yourselves. Their blood is on your hands.  :D

 

Oh and PS: I DOnT CaRE iF Me DoNT lOOk smaRT Too U BABY! Iuberleettroolzasshole

[Whyherro123 2283]

Lol YAH! Another I have no point so I will belittle the poster post.

 

Do you seriously think for one split second that I care, what you may or may not think of me. Seriously? You are words on a screen to me. I couldn't careless if you think I am the biggest ubertroollz asshole in the world, it really really doesn't phase me at all. But ever time you act in this childish manner, is another person dead.

 

You guys just killed 20 people tonight, I hope you are proud of yourselves. Their blood is on your hands.  :D

 

Oh and PS: I DOnT CaRE iF Me DoNT lOOk smaRT Too U BABY! Iuberleettroolzasshole

Awesome. Have fun stroking your e-peen, stranger!

Anyways, back to the conversation.

Yes, online interactions can affect people in real life. While this is an extreme case, examine the teenage girl who committed suicide due to internet trolling a few years back. 

Being a dick online can, and often does, have an adverse affect on people. Is it always justified? Of course not. But, sometimes, it is.

[mithrawndo 166]

I mean that's cool if you get those impulses and are able to restrain them but I can tell you without a shred of dishonesty that I've never felt like I wanted to act out something negative I did in game to real people.  That's not to say I haven't had thoughts of doing fucked up shit or whatever, I'm a human being and it's part of our nature, but I honestly keep video games and reality separate.

 

I'm not trying to infer a causal link between actions perpetrated in-game and criminal abuse out-with it, I'm simply citing examples of how your mental state is laid bare when you interact in a no consequence environment. It is in fact exactly the other way round; acts that cannot be perpetrated in the real world are instead subconsciously fulfilled in a virtual environment. it allows for a great deal of mental liberation, which in turn leads to being more open minded.

In other news...

Do you seriously think for one split second that I care, what you may or may not think of me. Seriously? You are words on a screen to me. I couldn't careless if you think I am the biggest ubertroollz asshole in the world, it really really doesn't phase me at all.

Thank you for demonstrating my point about social conditioning, disassociation and sociopathy!

[almf3 3]

See that's where I just can't seem to come to those terms. You keep saying "differentiate real from video games". A) I'm talking about a specific situation and B) I'm talking about human being to human being contact. This is not about the AI doing something and me being aggravated. This is one human being sitting on his ass in a chair using his "avatar" to interact with another human being whose sitting on his ass' avatar in a virtual world where both are in complete control of their actions. If one person chooses to negatively interact with that other person for the simple merits of being negative, it's negative. It's very simple. You can't say it's not a reflection just because you don't want it to be. It's essentially a version of road rage. People do things because they feel anonymous and protected because they're removed from fave to face interaction to a degree so they feel safe and justified taking negative actions. If you do things in a video game to be an ass but you wouldn't in real life it doesn't mean you don't have any negative aspects outside of the game, It probably means you're too cowardly to act like that toward someone face to face. I guarantee you that 99% of video game griefers would be too scared to bully people outside of a game.