Why is the Dayz community so bad?

[nexventor 429]

Awesome. Have fun stroking your e-peen, stranger!

Anyways, back to the conversation.

Yes, online interactions can affect people in real life. While this is an extreme case, examine the teenage girl who committed suicide due to internet trolling a few years back. 

Being a dick online can, and often does, have an adverse affect on people. Is it always justified? Of course not. But, sometimes, it is.

 

I always do.

 

If you are that sensitive that your feelings are getting hurt online, you should maybe perhaps, not go online or at least stay away from the site/game/social media that is causing said grief. 

 

Thank you for demonstrating my point about social conditioning, disassociation and sociopathy!

 

 

You are welcome.

[nexventor 429]

See that's where I just can't seem to come to those terms. You keep saying "differentiate real from video games". A) I'm talking about a specific situation and B) I'm talking about human being to human being contact. This is not about the AI doing something and me being aggravated. This is one human being sitting on his ass in a chair using his "avatar" to interact with another human being whose sitting on his ass' avatar in a virtual world where both are in complete control of their actions. If one person chooses to negatively interact with that other person for the simple merits of being negative, it's negative. It's very simple. You can't say it's not a reflection just because you don't want it to be. It's essentially a version of road rage. People do things because they feel anonymous and protected because they're removed from fave to face interaction to a degree so they feel safe and justified taking negative actions. If you do things in a video game to be an ass but you wouldn't in real life it doesn't mean you don't have any negative aspects outside of the game, It probably means you're too cowardly to act like that toward someone face to face. I guarantee you that 99% of video game griefers would be too scared to bully people outside of a game.

 

Which one is it?

 

First you say that if they are assholes in the game then they assholes IRL.

 

Now you are saying that if they are assholes in the game they would be too scared to be assholes IRL.

 

Moving goal posts, now being contradictory.

 

Pointless thread is pointless and this all has nothing to do with your original post of cry cry cry some more.

Edited May 1, 2014 by NexVentor

[almf3 3]

Haha I never "moved goal posts", I explained that hackers were an example of the type of person I was talking about. And I said that they would be scared to try and bully someone face to face, not they were scared to be assholes. If you're an asshole, you're an asshole. And we all have to tendencies to an extent. Some of us just don't feel the need to try and make up for our own personal shortcomings by trying to be tough guys to other people in video games.

[almf3 3]

There was a story about dayz which got me interested in the first place. It was a girl who hid in a church and lured people in by asking for help and she needed food and healing. When guys came in, she blasted them and robbed them. I would think "wtf?!?! That's bullshit!". Then I'd laugh my ass off because it'd make an awesome story. Now it's dumb ass teenagers shooting people on the shore who are fresh spawns because they think it's funny to aggravate other people. That's the point I was making, it's not the same thing.

[mithrawndo 166]

If you are that sensitive that your feelings are getting hurt online, you should maybe perhaps, not go online or at least stay away from the site/game/social media that is causing said grief.

 

The paradigm will shift though as the internet becomes more strictly policed; as people push more and more boundaries; as cultures bleed into one another, both real and virtual. We may yet see a day where your (or my) actions within a virtual world could be considered criminal. Human Rights and the Internet are still very much virgin territory: In 2011 someone at the UN produced a paper declaring access to the internet a human right, meaning that if your ISP cuts you off or some twerp script kiddie manages to ping bomb you to death, you can (legally, at least) take them to court in the Hague!

As an Aussie this should be important to you: Like us limeys, your government has their fat paw grasped around the metaphorical network cable.

 

The point anyway is maybe the next time you are winding someone up online, in or out of game, maybe you should have a wee think about it afterwards. The further the boundaries are pushed, the sooner the demise of the free and open internet as a whole will come. I'd personally hate to feel responsible for hastening that day by feeding someone a can of beans or calling them a dick bag on a forum. The playing field is different; you call me a name in real life and I can punch you in the face for it. Online? Well...

[mithrawndo 166]

Shh, I'm having fun!

[almf3 3]

Mithrawndo, enjoy the Internet as a right, over here cable providers are now trying to divide it up the same way they do cable packages. You pay certain amounts to use and see certain things. Pretty sad that something that's been used to over throw dictatorships and regimes and bring the world more face to face with each other and help highlight differences and similarities is in danger of being chopped up to add to profit margins of multi billion dollar companies. I'm thinking more and more I need to either head across the pond or at least up to canada. But you guys have top gear so you're in the lead.

[almf3 3]

Haha a shitcunt troll for asking why people feel the need to act certain ways? I admit I wasn't very eloquent in the original post but I don't really see how asking about what it is that makes people want to mess with the experience of other players online in a negative manner is trolling.

[Bororm 1156]

Awesome. Have fun stroking your e-peen, stranger!

Anyways, back to the conversation.

Yes, online interactions can affect people in real life. While this is an extreme case, examine the teenage girl who committed suicide due to internet trolling a few years back. 

Being a dick online can, and often does, have an adverse affect on people. Is it always justified? Of course not. But, sometimes, it is.

 

I think she was a fucking idiot and that cyber bullying is bullshit personally.  How about, just don't be an idiot online to begin with (if it's the same one I'm thinking of it was a result of her showing some stranger her tits online) and if people start harassing you online, just don't go online?  Problem solved.

 

You are responsible for yourself when it comes to being online.  And it's the easiest thing in the world to remove yourself from situations online.

 

 

The paradigm will shift though as the internet becomes more strictly policed; as people push more and more boundaries; as cultures bleed into one another, both real and virtual. We may yet see a day where your (or my) actions within a virtual world could be considered criminal. Human Rights and the Internet are still very much virgin territory: In 2011 someone at the UN produced a paper declaring access to the internet a human right, meaning that if your ISP cuts you off or some twerp script kiddie manages to ping bomb you to death, you can (legally, at least) take them to court in the Hague!

As an Aussie this should be important to you: Like us limeys, your government has their fat paw grasped around the metaphorical network cable.

 

The point anyway is maybe the next time you are winding someone up online, in or out of game, maybe you should have a wee think about it afterwards. The further the boundaries are pushed, the sooner the demise of the free and open internet as a whole will come. I'd personally hate to feel responsible for hastening that day by feeding someone a can of beans or calling them a dick bag on a forum. The playing field is different; you call me a name in real life and I can punch you in the face for it. Online? Well...

 

See I'd say it's the people getting all worked up over nothing that should be the ones to change, not the people already enjoying the freedom they've been given.  It's these people bitching about online trolling/bullying/griefing that are going to get the internet policed more and more so, when all they had to do to begin with was practice some self responsibility.

 

It's like metal jungle gyms being taken down because some idiot parents let their kids get hurt.

 

Please, some one else step in and save me because I don't want to take responsibility for myself :[

Edited May 1, 2014 by Bororm

[Demoth 366]

No, that's a bullshit argument. Obviously games are a bit of an escape and they're all about letting you do things you normally can't. None of us are racing exotic cars or killing zombies or are soldiers running around pistoling and quick scoping people. And none of us are running around killing people on in the world. But how you choose to interact with people is a part of your personality. Maybe you take shit all day and you like to get on something like that and mess with people and blow off steam, doesn't make you a criminal but it does have something to do with your personality and it is a reflection on you. Nothing any of us ever do, ever, in any context, is not a reflection on who we are as a person. We do the things we do because of the person we are. Not saying being an asshole is the worst thing on the planet but there's not get out of jail free card on it.

Then your forum behavior is painting you in a terrible light as an awful person.

I was somewhat empathetic to your plight (I got over it a long time ago), but anyone with a differing view seems to get an incredibly foul-mouthed and juvenile reaponse from you.

You really come across as someone who would throw an absolute spazmatic tantrum in public over a perceived slight.

[almf3 3]

The parameters of the game are that you have to have the ability to kill another player, not that you have to do it everytime, regardless. Especially in a server where the admin said "we're gonna try and do something a little different in this server, please respect it". He didn't take away the ability to act how you want, he so my asked for the courtesy that you keep yourself in check.

[Bororm 1156]

Why should I care what that admin of the server wants?   Especially when it's completely contradictory to one of the core mechanics of the game?

 

You realize that if there were servers where killing wasn't allowed, that by the nature of the interconnected servers, anyone who went on such a server to gear up in peace would have an unfair advantage over everyone else?

Edited May 1, 2014 by Bororm

[nexventor 429]

Haha I never "moved goal posts", I explained that hackers were an example of the type of person I was talking about. And I said that they would be scared to try and bully someone face to face, not they were scared to be assholes. If you're an asshole, you're an asshole. And we all have to tendencies to an extent. Some of us just don't feel the need to try and make up for our own personal shortcomings by trying to be tough guys to other people in video games.

 

it's got nothing to do with being tough. Were you bullied at school? Cause it seems as though you are carrying around a lot of anguish and resentment there young squire.

 

I am not sure what point you are trying to make because every time someone disagrees with you, you change it, abuse them or bring in some irrelevant and straight out blatant assumption on things you have no way of knowing and no way of proving.

 

 

 

The paradigm will shift though as the internet becomes more strictly policed; as people push more and more boundaries; as cultures bleed into one another, both real and virtual. We may yet see a day where your (or my) actions within a virtual world could be considered criminal. Human Rights and the Internet are still very much virgin territory: In 2011 someone at the UN produced a paper declaring access to the internet a human right, meaning that if your ISP cuts you off or some twerp script kiddie manages to ping bomb you to death, you can (legally, at least) take them to court in the Hague!

As an Aussie this should be important to you: Like us limeys, your government has their fat paw grasped around the metaphorical network cable.

 

The point anyway is maybe the next time you are winding someone up online, in or out of game, maybe you should have a wee think about it afterwards. The further the boundaries are pushed, the sooner the demise of the free and open internet as a whole will come. I'd personally hate to feel responsible for hastening that day by feeding someone a can of beans or calling them a dick bag on a forum. The playing field is different; you call me a name in real life and I can punch you in the face for it. Online? Well...

 

This online troll/bulling is just give an excuse to take control of the internet, they will take control of it regardless of a few sensitive people killing themselves. That girl that killed herself was all over the headlines as CYBER BULLING this and CYBER BULLYING that. She was getting picked on and beaten up at all the different schools she went to, fuck all mention of that.

[Demoth 366]

I think she was a fucking idiot and that cyber bullying is bullshit personally. How about, just don't be an idiot online to begin with (if it's the same one I'm thinking of it was a result of her showing some stranger her tits online) and if people start harassing you online, just don't go online? Problem solved.

You are responsible for yourself when it comes to being online. And it's the easiest thing in the world to remove yourself from situations online.

See I'd say it's the people getting all worked up over nothing that should be the ones to change, not the people already enjoying the freedom they've been given. It's these people bitching about online trolling/bullying/griefing that are going to get the internet policed more and more so, when all they had to do to begin with was practice some self responsibility.

It's like metal jungle gyms being taken down because some idiot parents let their kids get hurt.

Please, some one else step in and save me because I don't want to take responsibility for myself :[

Errr, just because you think you wouldn't be effected by something as a teenage girl who grew up with certain societal and personal pressures doesn't make it true. Not everyone reacts to stuff the same and it's usually not a good idea to hold everyone to the same standard.

A friend of mine is a wounded combat veteran who holds the stance that PTSD is made up and anyone claiming it is a crybaby. It's one of the most infuriating things he refuses to budge on.

[almf3 3]

No, not anyone. If you look carefully, a single person got that kind of reply. And yes, very quickly. But every other person I've interested with, I've done so trying to be articulate and thorough in my response. He made a reply with a clear intent and I responded in kind. In public if I disagreed with someone I would be more than happy to have a debate about it. If someone made a mistake I'm pretty easy going about it. If someone tries to start a fight I'm also quite happy to go along with that. Not hiding anything here.

[Bororm 1156]

Errr, just because you think you wouldn't be effected by something as a teenage girl who grew up with certain societal and personal pressures doesn't make it true. Not everyone reacts to stuff the same and it's usually not a good idea to hold everyone to the same standard.

A friend of mine is a wounded combat veteran who holds the stance that PTSD is made up and anyone claiming it is a crybaby. It's one of the most infuriating things he refuses to budge on.

 

When the standard is "remove yourself from situations you don't enjoy" I think it's fair to hold everyone to it.  It's much like holding people to the standard of "don't touch the hot frying pan unless you want to get burnt."

 

That said, I think it's on the girl's parents as well, as she was a kid.

[Demoth 366]

No, not anyone. If you look carefully, a single person got that kind of reply. And yes, very quickly. But every other person I've interested with, I've done so trying to be articulate and thorough in my response. He made a reply with a clear intent and I responded in kind. In public if I disagreed with someone I would be more than happy to have a debate about it. If someone made a mistake I'm pretty easy going about it. If someone tries to start a fight I'm also quite happy to go along with that. Not hiding anything here.

Yeah, but when they specifically tell you they like to get people upset, and you proceed to type like you're furious, you look silly and like you played right into his hand.

"Fighting back" on the internet forums doesn't work. It just drags out the thread in a needless flame war.

[almf3 3]

I wasn't picked on anymore than any other kid in school. There's no anguish. I find it sad that people act that way in the first place, that was one of the points. And I haven't brought up anything that doesn't tie in somehow.

And BORORM, I completely agree it'd be unfair to go in there and gear up and then go on the other servers. And I'm sure there's people who've exploited that. So it goes both ways. Thats not why I went know there and as soon as I got some stuff on there I stopped going to the other servers. I was just seeing the lay of the land and

[almf3 3]

Trust me I'm not furious at all. We all know the trolls are idiots. But I'm not going to shy away from a discussion with him either.

[mithrawndo 166]

When the standard is "remove yourself from situations you don't enjoy" I think it's fair to hold everyone to it.  It's much like holding people to the standard of "don't touch the hot frying pan unless you want to get burnt."

 

To extend this analogy: "You're not allowed bacon as you're too much of a pussy!"

 

That seems kind of... wrong, no?

[nexventor 429]

Trust me I'm not furious at all. We all know the trolls are idiots. But I'm not going to shy away from a discussion with him either.

 

Oh you mad! You mad as hell

[Demoth 366]

When the standard is "remove yourself from situations you don't enjoy" I think it's fair to hold everyone to it. It's much like holding people to the standard of "don't touch the hot frying pan unless you want to get burnt."

That said, I think it's on the girl's parents as well, as she was a kid.

It was a lot deeper and far more severe than simply mean people saying mean things online. If you really look into how deep it got, it was pretty extreme.

It carried over into some incredibly heavy harassment.

When someone calls me a chump on a forum and wants to slander the shiznit out of me, whatever. I don't know that person and their opinions are irrelevant no matter what length they go to attempt to hurt me. But being a kid is hard enough without having a ton of people making it their mission to destroy every ounce of self esteem (which is really the only thing kids can take ownership of).

[almf3 3]

Bororm I completely agree it'd be unfair to loot up then go to another server. Some people have I'm sure, I didn't but I can only say that about me. But people should care since the admin cared enough to rent the server space for people to play on and so he could have a place for people who wanted the same experience. I think if he shelled out the money for a portion of the community to try out, respecting that isn't too much to ask. But that's more of the "who cares about other people?" Mentality.

[nexventor 429]

 

To extend this analogy: "You're not allowed bacon as you're too much of a pussy!"

 

That seems kind of... wrong, no?

 

Depends! is that bacon burning the fuck out of his mouth?

[napalmdog 71]

No such thing as a "no kill server."

 

T'was a ruse!

A clever ruse!!!