What you wear....

[Murlough 192]

So, I would like to start a discussion on wether or not someone wearing certain clothes affects how you "interact" with them. For example, do payday masks make you jump to the conclusion that the person is a bandit and you must kill them immediatly, or do you not care either way? Personally i don't think it makes sense to discriminate on that and believe people should at least attempt to find out what kind of player they are by talking first (don't walk right in front of them and yell "FRIENDLY" obviously). But id like to here everyone elses opinions so DISCUSS!

[sobieski12 835]

Tbh, I thought it was already confirmed by a majority of players that people running "payday makes" are "kill on sight".

 

As for finding armed friends that is really tough. 

* If you find an armed lone wolf, the chances of being friends with him is somewhat high.

* If you find an armed group, I'd suggest shooting because groups generally hunt players from what I've noticed ever since the mod.

[liquidsnake 275]

If I'm a fresh spawn and you have something I want, I'll go for the kill, regardless. Everyone is a bandit in SA, it's ridiculous and I won't waste any more energy trying to help people other than the odd survivor. Once I even told some guy with broken legs I'd help him and searched for some splints/morphine. I came back to tell him I found a rope and I only needed sticks and he just attacked me... I have genuinely lost faith in the SA community. I remember that there was this hero vs bandit thing going on in a lot of the mod servers, but that's nowhere to be found in SA.
Sometimes I avoid players, most of the times I run into players without the option to avoid I hold them up (or kill them if they have a gun drawn and pointed at me). I have given my victims gear and I have taken gear from them, it all depends on my mood I guess. 

 

Clothing doesn't make much of a difference to me, unless the guy's wearing a mask/gasmask or if he's fully geared with a helmet. Without a helmet is okay, but fully geared with helmet just rubs me the wrong way and makes me trigger happy. Not sure why.

[sobieski12 835]

If I'm a fresh spawn and you have something I want, I'll go for the kill, regardless. Everyone is a bandit in SA, it's ridiculous and I won't waste any more energy trying to help people other than the odd survivor. Once I even told some guy with broken legs I'd help him and searched for some splints/morphine. I came back to tell him I found a rope and I only needed sticks and he just attacked me... I have genuinely lost faith in the SA community. I remember that there was this hero vs bandit thing going on in a lot of the mod servers, but that's nowhere to be found in SA.

Sometimes I avoid players, most of the times I run into players without the option to avoid I hold them up (or kill them if they have a gun drawn and pointed at me). I have given my victims gear and I have taken gear from them, it all depends on my mood I guess. 

 

Clothing doesn't make much of a difference to me, unless the guy's wearing a mask/gasmask or if he's fully geared with a helmet. Without a helmet is okay, but fully geared with helmet just rubs me the wrong way and makes me trigger happy. Not sure why.

 

Atm I am uploading a video of armed players that are actually friendly. 

* Sometimes when you feel you must kill, sometimes you need to take a chance that they are actually friendly.

 

Personally I've noticed anyone that sounds young is generally the person that needs to be killed, while most mature players are willing to take a chance.

 

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Btw trust me, it's not always perfect. 

 

Out of ten people I've met on the Experimental server.

* 9/10 were friendly

* 1 person pretended to be friendly and back-stabbed me for a sporter with no ammo 

- He just used me to help him find food, but o well. 

Edited April 21, 2014 by Sobieski12

[liquidsnake 275]

Atm I am uploading a video of armed players that are actually friendly. 

* Sometimes when you feel you must kill, sometimes you need to take a chance that they are actually friendly.

 

Personally I've noticed anyone that sounds young is generally the person that needs to be killed, while most mature players are willing to take a chance.

I have had a friendly encounter once in NWAF. The guy came strolling into the hangar I was looting and I immediately had my Mosin on him, though a bit startled. He didn't raise his gun so I didn't shoot and slowly made my way out of there while not letting him out of my sight. I appreciate that he didn't raise his gun and it saved us a nasty ending, but I would never keep my gun down when seeing another player in CQ. Maybe I should, it'd lead to way less standoffs but also more unnecessary deaths. 

[sobieski12 835]

I have had a friendly encounter once in NWAF. The guy came strolling into the hangar I was looting and I immediately had my Mosin on him, though a bit startled. He didn't raise his gun so I didn't shoot and slowly made my way out of there while not letting him out of my sight. I appreciate that he didn't raise his gun and it saved us a nasty ending, but I would never keep my gun down when seeing another player in CQ. Maybe I should, it'd lead to way less standoffs but also more unnecessary deaths. 

 

Yep I've also got a 2nd encounter on raw video of being very exposed.

 

I tabbed back in and was being mauled by a zombie. Atm, the experimental server nerfed the axe so hard that it take about seven hit to kill it. But yeah. once the zombie was dead I started to patch my self and I noticed a fully geared out player less than 70 meters to my right. 

 

He must of thought I didn't see him, but he had the chance to shoot me. I said "hey dude", and continued saying "how is this going to end?". 

He didn't say anything and was very cautious since I saw him, and then I pulled out my mosin. But then I basically said fuck it, and tried to make myself look non-threatening and holstered my main gun.

 

In the end we came to trust each other and now are friends on steam.

* It's tough to know if someone is really friendly by just lowering their gun, the sign of being really friendly in my own way is to holster the gun entirely. But of course, that makes you a really easy target. 

Edited April 21, 2014 by Sobieski12

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

I wear: Green civilian clothing when I can find it (Hoodie, Spring/Summer hunting pants).  I paint my motorbike helmet green, I wear a respirator rather than a a gas mask (seams to be the sign of a medic/friendly as opposed to a PVPer/KOSer) even though you can't see it under the helmet.  My goal is to not be seen easily, hope they don't see me as they pass by the bush I decide to hide in, then go back to whatever I was doing when they get out of sight.  I do get little bits and bobs from Military spawns (Boots, Cargo Vest, green Mountain pack) but try to avoid the Balastic Helmet, TTSKO pants/jacket combo, gas mask of the server hopper/pvper type.

[liquidsnake 275]

Yep I've also got a 2nd encounter on raw video of being very exposed.

 

I tabbed back in and was being mauled by a zombie. Atm, the experimental server nerfed the axe so hard that it take about seven hit to kill it. But yeah. once the zombie was dead I started to patch my self and I noticed a fully geared out player less than 70 meters to my right. 

 

He must of thought I didn't see him, but he had the chance to shoot me. I said "hey dude", and continued saying "how is this going to end?". 

He didn't say anything and was very cautious since I saw him, and then I pulled out my mosin. But then I basically said fuck it, and tried to make myself look non-threatening and holstered my main gun.

 

In the end we came to trust each other and now are friends on steam.

* It's tough to know if someone is really friendly by just lowering their gun, the sign of being really friendly in my own way is to holster the gun entirely. But of course, that makes you a really easy target. 

I had lots of encounters like that in the mod, but in SA something seems to be wrong with the communication. I have held up people plenty of times and didn't even get a response. I have talked to people with no response. In fact, no one has EVER responded or talked to me in SA, even the ones I gave weapons when holding them up. Not even a thank you. That's my main problem with the game. I know they hear me, since they listen to my every command when I hold them up  :P but no response, ever. 

[Murlough 192]

Tbh, I thought it was already confirmed by a majority of players that people running "payday makes" are "kill on sight".

Thats precisely why i made this thread. So what if hes wearing a mask? How does wearing a mask paint a KOS target on him/her? I doesnt make sense to me if everyone id a bandit than why does the mask make any difference? Personally if i find the mask im gonna wear it solely because it looks cool. (And no imnot butthurt of a past death because ive only worn the mask once and am pretty sure i took a nice little fall to my death). Id just like to understand why it affects people. I apologize if im ranting :P

[sobieski12 835]

I had lots of encounters like that in the mod, but in SA something seems to be wrong with the communication. I have held up people plenty of times and didn't even get a response. I have talked to people with no response. In fact, no one has EVER responded or talked to me in SA, even the ones I gave weapons when holding them up. Not even a thank you. That's my main problem with the game. I know they hear me, since they listen to my every command when I hold them up  :P but no response, ever. 

 

Never ever trust a person that does not communicate.

 

* If players like this don't communicate then kill them, because they generally don't talk / type for a good reason.

 

 

Be very cautious of players that only type, it might mean they don't want to talk. Thus it could a "squeaker", always "kill on sight" squeakers.

 

* But try to give players that type a chance, but keep an eye on his actions. 

Edited April 21, 2014 by Sobieski12

[hotcakes 348]

I gave up the camouflage nonsense. I wasn't the type of player that would zone myself so that it would actually work, so I moved to the cool-looking civilian gear and stopped using the hunting backpack. It's impossible to blend in with a press vest anyways, so I just go with a blue outfit.

[sobieski12 835]

Thats precisely why i made this thread. So what if hes wearing a mask? How does wearing a mask paint a KOS target on him/her? I doesnt make sense to me if everyone id a bandit than why does the mask make any difference? Personally if i find the mask im gonna wear it solely because it looks cool. (And no imnot butthurt of a past death because ive only worn the mask once and am pretty sure i took a nice little fall to my death). Id just like to understand why it affects people. I apologize if im ranting :P

 

At this stage of DayZ SA, bandits are not obvious.

* Maybe back in December all the bandits generally had a "Payday mask" but it's generally just having allot of camo clothing today.

 

Gas masks are still a bandit give-away.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Sobieski12

[sobieski12 835]

I gave up the camouflage nonsense. I wasn't the type of player that would zone myself so that it would actually work, so I moved to the cool-looking civilian gear and stopped using the hunting backpack. It's impossible to blend in with a press vest anyways, so I just go with a blue outfit.

 

Camo does not really help in the game anyway. 

 

The grass will not protect you if you're being sniped by a player that is more than 300 meters from you. 

* Aka the wasteland of render distance. 

- Being in a field of grass give you literally no cover, when is real life it would in terms of being hidden.

 

Having colors that blend in with buildings or the dirt is generally a better camo scheme to follow to not make yourself obvious. 

[hotcakes 348]

Seriously though, my entire group uses an armored U.N outfit that includes a blue helmet and press vest.

We get shot just as much as we normally did without the U.N gear. Granted, we live way longer now because of the ballistic protection.

[Karmicdebt 46]

Thats precisely why i made this thread. So what if hes wearing a mask? How does wearing a mask paint a KOS target on him/her? I doesnt make sense to me if everyone id a bandit than why does the mask make any difference? Personally if i find the mask im gonna wear it solely because it looks cool. (And no imnot butthurt of a past death because ive only worn the mask once and am pretty sure i took a nice little fall to my death). Id just like to understand why it affects people. I apologize if im ranting :P

masks throughout history have been used to mostly to induce fear along with maybe some protective aspect. payday mask = kos imo

[Murlough 192]

masks throughout history have been used to mostly to induce fear along with maybe some protective aspect. payday mask = kos imo

Lol i can understand that i guess i would just prefer MAKING SURE they are a bandit before murdering them. If i find one of those masks id wear it but i certainly am not a bandit (.....yet hwehehwehehwe)

[haknslash 763]

Pay day masks = I'm will probably kill you if given the chance. Why else wear that evil looking mask? It just screams "Hey, I'm probably a pyscho and not likely to be trusted". I used to carry one around just for 'special' occasions when I might have to handcuff someone and then throw it on to scare them a little. It took up space and in the end I felt it was bad karma to be having that thing in my pack!

 

 

I have had a friendly encounter once in NWAF. The guy came strolling into the hangar I was looting and I immediately had my Mosin on him, though a bit startled. He didn't raise his gun so I didn't shoot and slowly made my way out of there while not letting him out of my sight. I appreciate that he didn't raise his gun and it saved us a nasty ending, but I would never keep my gun down when seeing another player in CQ. Maybe I should, it'd lead to way less standoffs but also more unnecessary deaths. 

Thanks for not shooting me!! :D

 

Seriously though I had a similar encounter when I started playing this year. I came into a hanger only to see someone else in there too but with their gun out. My M4 was in my backpack as I was just trying to pass through quickly. We talked it out and no blood was shed that day so all was well. :)

Edited April 21, 2014 by haknslash

[Murlough 192]

Pay day masks = I'm will probably kill you if given the chance. Why else wear that evil looking mask?

Um, well.... i think it looks cool....i guess.

[irl-calibre 744]

Murlough either get with the lore or die, masks = bandit, even if you're running round shouting "Fweeeeeeeendly" at the top of your voice, bandit = mask. if you're not a bandit don't wear the fucking mask, or come crying to the forum about being friendly in a payday mask cause the lore doesn't give a shit, it's bigger than  you, me or anyone else that posts in this thread and has been established over many years, otherwise you're swimming against the tide. capiche?

[Oyface 74]

This is the gear I've been using on the experimental for about a week now. Do you think I look friendly?

 

 

Because I am. I gave that magnum away to a freshspawn just 15 minutes ago. :)

 

[Murlough 192]

Murlough either get with the lore or die, masks = bandit, even if you're running round shouting "Fweeeeeeeendly" at the top of your voice, bandit = mask. if you're not a bandit don't wear the fucking mask, or come crying to the forum about being friendly in a payday mask cause the lore doesn't give a shit, it's bigger than you, me or anyone else that posts in this thread and has been established over many years, otherwise you're swimming against the tide. capiche?

......Im not crying(actually im laughing cuz your post is ludicrous) i said pretty clearly i just want to know WHY its so bad. Its a mask. Thats all it is. A mask. Ive never once seen something with a payday mask act like a bandit which is why im curious. You apparently didnt pick up on that and assumed im crying.... after i mentioned ive NEVER DIED WITH A PAYDAY MASK ON EXCEPT BY SUICIDE. Wow i should change my title to ranter. Also ill get shot and killed regardless of my clothes so the mask doesnt really change that :P. Edited April 21, 2014 by Murlough

[Deathlove 2286]

So, I would like to start a discussion on wether or not someone wearing certain clothes affects how you "interact" with them. For example, do payday masks make you jump to the conclusion that the person is a bandit and you must kill them immediatly, or do you not care either way? Personally i don't think it makes sense to discriminate on that and believe people should at least attempt to find out what kind of player they are by talking first (don't walk right in front of them and yell "FRIENDLY" obviously). But id like to here everyone elses opinions so DISCUSS!

No this whole mask thing is irrelevant. Its not the mask that makes you the bandit its what you do that does. Besides iv been killed by normal looking ppl way more than ppl wearing gasmask or clown ones.

[Murlough 192]

This is the gear I've been using on the experimental for about a week now. Do you think I look friendly?

Because I am. I gave that magnum away to a freshspawn just 15 minutes ago. :)

So much swag.....

No this whole mask thing is irrelevant. Its not the mask that makes you the bandit its what you do that does. Besides iv been killed by normal looking ppl way more than ppl wearing gasmask or clown ones.

Thank you thats exactly what im saying. Edited April 21, 2014 by Murlough

[Deathlove 2286]

Murlough either get with the lore or die, masks = bandit, even if you're running round shouting "Fweeeeeeeendly" at the top of your voice, bandit = mask. if you're not a bandit don't wear the fucking mask, or come crying to the forum about being friendly in a payday mask cause the lore doesn't give a shit, it's bigger than  you, me or anyone else that posts in this thread and has been established over many years, otherwise you're swimming against the tide. capiche?

The lore is irrelevant in this game. Anyone can be a bandit even some one in there damn underwear. He can wear whatever he pleases and still be a hero. Just because ppl dont play the way you want them to doesn't mean they have to abide by good or evil with certain clothing.

[irl-calibre 744]

......Im not crying(actually im laughing cuz your post is ludicrous) i said pretty clearly i just want to know WHY its so bad. Its a mask. Thats all it is. A mask. Ive never once seen something with a payday mask act like a bandit which is why im curious. You apparently didnt pick up on that and assumed im crying.... after i mentioned ive NEVER DIED WITH A PAYDAY MASK ON EXCEPT BY SUICIDE. Wow i should change my title to ranter. Also ill get shot and killed regardless of my clothes so the mask doesnt really change that :P.

 

cause the lore says so, in the game for Years bandits wore masks - now in standalone everything is by choice, you can wear what ever you want, but there are thousands of people who have played this game for years who view  payday masks negatively - even if you just think " they're cool" they are saying something more whether you like it or not..