As-50_Thermal and MP5K [ Standalone ]

[Katana67 2907]

If I had to pick three weapons for each respective category (I'm sure I'm missing a few), it'd be as follows (weapons that aren't in the game yet or inbound)...

 

Pistol

- Makarov

- Tokarev

- M9

 

Pump-action Shotgun

- Remington 870

- Mossberg 500

- KS-23

 

Semi-automatic Shotgun

- Saiga-12

- Beretta M4

- CZ 712

 

Submachine Gun

- Some kind of Uzi

- Skorpion vz. 61

- Bizon

 

PDW

- HK MP7

- PP-2000

- FN P90

 

Assault Rifle

- L85A2

- Some kind of Tavor

- Galil of some type

 

Battle Rifle

- HK G3A4

- FN FAL

- Either a Mk 17, HK417, or AR-10/M110/SR-25

 

Bolt-action Sniper Rifle

- CZ 550

- M40/M24 variant

- SV-98 (I don't want it, but it'd appeal to the "Chernarus = Russia" crowd)

 

Anti-materiel Rifle

- AW50

- KSVK

- Tac-50

 

Magazine-fed LMG

- RPK

- L86A2

- C7A2 LSW

 

Belt-fed LMG

- RPD

- M249

- IMI Negev

 

GPMG

- M240/FN MAG

- PKM/PKP

- MG3

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[lipemr 160]

If I had to pick three weapons for each respective category (I'm sure I'm missing a few), it'd be as follows (weapons that aren't in the game yet or inbound)...

 

Pistol

- Makarov

- Tokarev

- M9

 

Pump-action Shotgun

- Remington 870

- Mossberg 500

- KS-23

 

Semi-automatic Shotgun

- Saiga-12

- Beretta M4

- CZ 712

 

Submachine Gun

- Some kind of Uzi

- Skorpion vz. 61

- Bizon

 

PDW

- HK MP7

- PP-2000

- FN P90

 

Assault Rifle

- L85A2

- Some kind of Tavor

- Galil of some type

 

Battle Rifle

- HK G3A4

- FN FAL

- Either a Mk 17, HK417, or AR-10/M110/SR-25

 

Bolt-action Sniper Rifle

- CZ 550

- M40/M24 variant

- SV-98 (I don't want it, but it'd appeal to the "Chernarus = Russia" crowd)

 

Anti-materiel Rifle

- AW50

- KSVK

- Tac-50

 

Magazine-fed LMG

- RPK

- L86A2

- C7A2 LSW

 

Belt-fed LMG

- RPD

- M249

- IMI Negev

 

GPMG

- M240/FN MAG

- PKM/PKP

- MG3

 

Tac-50? AW50? L85? wtf?

 

a m107 would be more common than the first two, and british troops didnt act on chernarus in any part of its history, why would l85's be there?

 

Even tavors wouldnt be viable.

 

I think SIGs and g36's would be much more common than the last two.

Edited April 22, 2014 by lipemr

[Katana67 2907]

Tac-50? AW50? L85? wtf?

 

a m107 would be more common than the first two, and british troops didnt act on chernarus in any part of its history, why would l85's be there?

 

Even tavors wouldnt be viable.

 

I think SIGs and g36's would be much more common than the last two.

 

Cool? If you'll notice, my anti-materiel rifle selections were all bolt-action. So the M107 doesn't really factor in. If I had to pick a semi-automatic anti-materiel lineup, the list would be fairly short and inflammatory to folks like yourself (i.e. M107, AS50, and perhaps the OSV-96).

 

Tavors are being employed in 5.45x39 and are being manufactured in the Ukraine. Never mind the myriad other countries that have since adopted the platform.

 

Notice how I didn't refer to commonality at all, I referred to what I would put in. Which was a tempered list, as if I actually put down what I'd put in, I foresee even more rage.

 

I included the L85 for several reasons, one, it was employed by the BAF in neighboring Takistan. Two, it's a bullpup that uses STANAG mags. Three, it's an interesting weapon. Four, it has been employed in various apocalyptic fictions previously (i.e. STALKER). Five, the UK is part of the UN. That's about it.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[hombrecz 832]

Tac-50? AW50? L85? wtf?

 

a m107 would be more common than the first two, and british troops didnt act on chernarus in any part of its history, why would l85's be there?

 

Even tavors wouldnt be viable.

 

I think SIGs and g36's would be much more common than the last two.

 

For me the most crazy part was NOT including AK47/AKM and AK74.

Like these weapons could be missing in post-soviet republic O_o.

 

Woun't comment on stuff like Uzi, P90, Tavor which has basically zero sense to be there.

[Katana67 2907]

For me the most crazy part was NOT including AK47/AKM and AK74.

Like these weapons could be missing in post-soviet republic O_o.

 

Woun't comment on stuff like Uzi, P90, Tavor which has basically zero sense to be there.

 

/bonk

 

Read the first line, "(weapons that aren't in the game yet or inbound)".

[dgeesio 1034]

A Thermal AS 50 would be fine guys dont get your panties in a wad. I DON'T want to use Stone Age bullshit all the damn time. They probably will make it very rare if they do.

hi frankie :lol:

 

 

every video frankie always seems to find a thermal gun . hell be dancing if this is true <_<

 

in reality all over powered guns are often used by nubs sitting camping new spawns then alt f4 when spotted.

Edited April 22, 2014 by dgeesio

[lipemr 160]

Cool? If you'll notice, my anti-materiel rifle selections were all bolt-action. So the M107 doesn't really factor in. If I had to pick a semi-automatic anti-materiel lineup, the list would be fairly short and inflammatory to folks like yourself (i.e. M107, AS50, and perhaps the OSV-96).

 

Tavors are employed in 5.45x39 and manufactured in the Ukraine. Never mind the myriad other countries that have since adopted the platform.

 

Notice how I didn't refer to commonality at all, I referred to what I would put in. Which was a tempered list, as if I actually put down what I'd put in, I foresee even more rage.

 

I included the L85 for several reasons, one, it was employed by the BAF in neighboring Takistan. Two, it's a bullpup that uses STANAG mags. Three, it's an interesting weapon. Four, it has been employed in various apocalyptic fictions previously (i.e. STALKER). Five, the UK is part of the UN. That's about it.

 

oh, i see your point.

 

I guess i would choose the m82 (is it the bolt action?) or the m99 variant over the m107, for balancing matters, preferably the m99, as it is single shot, no overpowered 1200m semi auto shooters like the mod, heh.

 

Though i would still choose the g36 over the l85, as it is adopted by much more countries than the last one, but probably both would be present on a scenario like chernarus.

 

And the tavor isnt adopted by much countries military AFAIK, i guess they're more famous on the civilian market.

[lipemr 160]

For me the most crazy part was NOT including AK47/AKM and AK74.

Like these weapons could be missing in post-soviet republic O_o.

 

Woun't comment on stuff like Uzi, P90, Tavor which has basically zero sense to be there.

 

uzis and p90's would be present, the last one only on crash sites, tho.

 

UZIs are all over the damn world man.

 

And i think he didnt add AKs just cause they're already confirmed on the game.

[Katana67 2907]

oh, i see your point.

 

I guess i would choose the m82 (is it the bolt action?) or the m99 variant over the m107, for balancing matters, preferably the m99, as it is single shot, no overpowered 1200m semi auto shooters like the mod, heh.

 

Though i would still choose the g36 over the l85, as it is adopted by much more countries than the last one, but probably both would be present on a scenario like chernarus.

 

And the tavor isnt adopted by much countries military AFAIK, i guess they're more famous on the civilian market.

 

Azerbaijan, Brazil, Chad, Colombia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Macedonia, Nigeria, Philippines, Portugal, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, Vietnam, United States

 

All nations which manufacture or downright employ Tavors. It only recently became prevalent in the civilian market, at least in the United States.

 

EDIT - The Ukrainian manufacturer, RPC Fort seems to be an IMI/IWI clone factory. They produce their own version of the Negev and Galatz as well.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[lipemr 160]

Azerbaijan, Brazil, Chad, Colombia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Macedonia, Nigeria, Philippines, Portugal, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, Vietnam, United States

 

All nations which manufacture or downright employ Tavors. It only recently became prevalent in the civilian market, at least in the United States.

 

well, i'm from brazil and ALL of their production goes only to civilian market, taurus manufacture it here and exports to USA and other countries.

 

If you search a bit, you'll see that there's only 2 or 3 countries that issued tavors for their troops.

 

BTW, Tavors didnt pass Brazillian army's testings against the IA2 (modernized FAL manufactured bt IMBEL)

Edited April 22, 2014 by lipemr

[Katana67 2907]

well, i'm from brazil and ALL of their production goes only to civilian market, taurus manufacture it here and exports to USA and other countries.

 

If you search a bit, you'll see that there's only 2 or 3 countries that issued tavors for their troops.

 

BTW, Tavors didnt pass Brazillian army's testings against the IA2 (modernized FAL manufactured bt IMBEL)

 

So they're manufactured for civilians? How does this make it less likely to be in X?

[lipemr 160]

So they're manufactured for civilians? How does this make it less likely to be in X?

 

well, i guess the civilian market is much more subjective to add to the equation, as it's supposed that the main source of modern weapons in chernarus would be the military that went there after the outbreak.

 

they could be present, but would be rare as hell, i dont even see the point in adding them looking from this point of view.

Edited April 22, 2014 by lipemr

[hombrecz 832]

/bonk

 

Read the first line, "(weapons that aren't in the game yet or inbound)".

  

Oh boomer, my bad  :o

Still heavily dislike idea of UZI, P90 or Tavor. And please don't tell me these weapons are given to US troops or that they are noticeably spread in eastern Europe.

[bazil101 0]

So, After going experimental, I had a nosey poke around in the PBO's as I always have.. Found the AKM and P1, To be expected, However I found an AS-50 Thermal file.. Please. God. No..

I also found the MP5K.. Most probably the mentioned SMG from Tumblr.

From Tumblr

" The first SMG in DayZ game will soon be ready and I hope you all will like it "

 

Dragunovs or KSVK's wouldnt be too bad (if they were pretty rare) but thermal anti-material rifles are just way to op

[Katana67 2907]

Oh boomer, my bad  :o

Still heavily dislike idea of UZI, P90 or Tavor. And please don't tell me these weapons are given to US troops or that they are noticeably spread in eastern Europe.

 

Nope, I wouldn't tell you that. Because it's both incorrect and irrelevant. Chernarus is fictional, they can add whatever weapon they wish.

 

Here's a news article explaining the Ukrainian production of in-house Tavors chambered in 5.45x39.

 

http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=8715

 

And the P90 is in the employ of various European police forces, not limited to Ukraine, Czech Republic, and Germany (all former Soviet/Warsaw Pact nations, East Germany in the case of Germany).

 

Here's an image of an Uzi sitting in the window display of a gun shop in Prague.

 

 

Not that any of this matters, because weapons can be incorporated into the fiction of Chernarus.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Cool? If you'll notice, my anti-materiel rifle selections were all bolt-action. So the M107 doesn't really factor in. If I had to pick a semi-automatic anti-materiel lineup, the list would be fairly short and inflammatory to folks like yourself (i.e. M107, AS50, and perhaps the OSV-96).

 

Tavors are being employed in 5.45x39 and are being manufactured in the Ukraine. Never mind the myriad other countries that have since adopted the platform.

 

Notice how I didn't refer to commonality at all, I referred to what I would put in. Which was a tempered list, as if I actually put down what I'd put in, I foresee even more rage.

 

I included the L85 for several reasons, one, it was employed by the BAF in neighboring Takistan. Two, it's a bullpup that uses STANAG mags. Three, it's an interesting weapon. Four, it has been employed in various apocalyptic fictions previously (i.e. STALKER). Five, the UK is part of the UN. That's about it.

Galil is probably a better choice than the Tavor, it's spread around quite a bit more.

 

Oh boomer, my bad  :o

Still heavily dislike idea of UZI, P90 or Tavor. And please don't tell me these weapons are given to US troops or that they are noticeably spread in eastern Europe.

The Uzi is a very common submachine-gun, used all over the world.

The P90 isn't the worst choice for a PDW either, and 5.7x28mm ammo would be cool, if not rare.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[Katana67 2907]

Galil is probably a better choice than the Tavor, it's spread around quite a bit more.

 

I like the Galil, I think the ARM is a very good option for the mag-fed LMGs. But it's too AK-y for me to be a staunch proponent of when we've got two AK pattern weapons inbound already.

[hombrecz 832]

Nope, I wouldn't tell you that. Because it's both incorrect and irrelevant. Chernarus is fictional, they can add whatever weapon they wish.

 

 

You got some good points. Game happen in fictional post-soviet country, but it should remain authentic, that's what Devs said.

They are aiming for authenticity.

 

To achieve that, the biggest % of used firearms should be made mostly of eastern block weapons, plus equipment that the "intervention" forces from west used. I can't imagine people from poor eastern country buying guns like Tavor, M4's etc.

 

I don't think that the main goal is to introduce every single weapon that somebody happen to think is cool (Desert eagle, hi-tech sniper rifles etc). That would, I think, just hurt the game.

 

Btw also Steyr AUG is used by some special police units in Czech republic. I've seen that one more often then P90.

 

p.s. I might appear as to be needlessly b*tching, but I just does not want Dayz to lose it's "eastern" setting, I believe it's part of it's charm. 

[Katana67 2907]

You got some good points. Game happen in fictional post-soviet country, but it should remain authentic, that's what Devs said.

They are aiming for authenticity.

 

To achieve that, the biggest % of used firearms should be made mostly of eastern block weapons, plus equipment that the "intervention" forces from west used. I can't imagine people from poor eastern country buying guns like Tavor, M4's etc.

 

I don't think that the main goal is to introduce every single weapon that somebody happen to think is cool (Desert eagle, hi-tech sniper rifles etc). That would, I think, just hurt the game.

 

Btw also Steyr AUG is used by some special police units in Czech republic. I've seen that one more often then P90.

 

p.s. I might appear as to be needlessly b*tching, but I just does not want Dayz to lose it's "eastern" setting, I believe it's part of it's charm. 

 

Authenticity is subjective. ARMA III is "authentic" and yet the majority of its weapons, factions, and vehicles are fictionally employed if not downright fictional themselves.

 

If they're aiming for "authenticity" then making these weapons rare seems to be the way to go. Rather than denying their existence entirely. Dismissing them because, somehow, they're "inauthentic" does no good in my opinion. Obviously, there are pragmatic development pipeline priorities for them to consider. But categorically dismissing something isn't helpful, especially when it's based upon an incomplete understanding of what DayZ, Chernarus, and the real-world small-arms landscape is.

 

I never understood why the weapons of a game influenced its setting. Seeing the weapons in the mod didn't somehow ruin the immersion/experience for me. Chernarus is still Chernarus if you're finding a SCAR or an AK. Breaking "immersion" is also a very, very, subjective consideration.

 

If previous precedent is to be considered (M4A1, kitted-out M1911, Amphibian S, FNX, and all the attachments associated with said weapons) they are clearly seeking to make their weapons lineup unique.

 

Also...

 

One, people seem to have an aged notion of what weapons are actually used and what are lolFutureWeaponzzzbrah. The SCAR, Tavor, and certain other platforms are widely used now and are becoming more popular.

 

Two, people have a warped definition of fiction and what it entails. Fiction, in itself, makes things plausible which are not in reality.

 

Three, people have an unbelievably sensitive notion of what constitutes "realism" and "immersion".

 

Four, people have a bad taste left in their mouth with regard to so-called "high-end" weapons given the problems of the mod (i.e. duping, hoarding, lack of rarity, etc.) None of which have anything to do with the weapon itself.

 

Five, and most importantly, people apply their understanding of plausible weapons in a very, very, malleable manner (meaning it's based upon personal preference and that's pretty much it). I've had arguments where the line has been drawn at the TDI Vector, the ACR, the SCAR, the M14, the M4, and now the Uzi. There is no monolithic limit whereby a weapon somehow tips the balance of "runing immersion". It is all up to the individual.

 

Six, I have never... ever... not once, seen someone assert that these so-called "high-end" weapons should be common over their Warsaw Pact counterparts. Two years of posting, never seen it.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[liquidsnake 275]

An engraved M1911 doesn't ruin immersion, while a G3A4 does. It's not so much the rarity in the eastern bloc as it is the high-end modern aspect of guns that ruin immersion. I bet nobody would bat an eye when a Winchester lever-action gets added, yet we'll all go nuts when an overly kitted out AK12 is added. Authenticity means that the game doesn't feel tacky and unrealistic, even if it actually is. If a fitting weapon can realistically occur in the eastern bloc, it's nothing more than a pleasantry. 

[Katana67 2907]

An engraved M1911 doesn't ruin immersion, while a G3A4 does. It's not so much the rarity in the eastern bloc as it is the high-end modern aspect of guns that ruin immersion. I bet nobody would bat an eye when a Winchester lever-action gets added, yet we'll all go nuts when an overly kitted out AK12 is added. Authenticity means that the game doesn't feel tacky and unrealistic, even if it actually is. If a fitting weapon can realistically occur in the eastern bloc, it's nothing more than a pleasantry. 

 

Yes, further demonstrating that most of the ire directed toward "high-end" weapons is based upon personal feeling and preference, rather than any reasoning. The "feeling" approach is always, always, always the very last line of defense for people who arbitrarily dislike so-called "high-end" weaponry. Because it can't be refuted, it's wholly subjective. There's nothing wrong with that, but it can't be purported as the "right" answer.

 

The ire isn't actually based upon plausibility, rarity/commonality, usefulness, etc. It's always, always, always based on the infantile (in my opinion) answer of it "feels" wrong. Which is entirely subjective. Moreover, as I've demonstrated previously, this "feeling" is often based on incomplete understandings of the categories I've mentioned above.

 

My issue is this "feeling" is held up as some sort of objective fact that DayZ is striving for. When it clearly isn't. This is evident in the lengths that people will go to try and cast something as wrong, even though these reasons are almost always wrong unto themselves.

 

Which calls into question the entire definition of "high-end" weaponry. If you're considering a lowly, and widely distributed G3 platform as "high-end" then you're casting entire swaths of weapons as "high-end" without taking into account their usefulness in-game.

 

High-end, whatever meaning you put into that, weaponry has a place in the real-world. If DayZ purports itself as "authentic", it has to take these weapons into account. Making these weapons rare, is how they are made "authentic". Incorporating them into the fiction, is how they're made "authentic".

Edited April 22, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

My hopes are kinda down as to what dayz will turn out to be.

 

At first I assumed the vast majority of guns would be iron sighted civilian weapons, and military firearms around the region.

 

The emphasis on western weapons led me to believe optics would play a minor role only seen in hunting weapons and a select few high end military loot.

 

Sadly this is not the case, the accesory system seems to be pretty universal and it looks like they design the accessories not with realism in mind but with versatility in mind.

 

LRS on the mosin, pu scopes on the sks makes me sad.

 

Really was hoping for a mostly iron sight dayz set in a world where optics would have been super rare and most would have already been broken.

[Katana67 2907]

Really was hoping for a mostly iron sight dayz set in a world where optics would have been super rare and most would have already been broken.

 

 

Well, we have no idea what items will be rare in the final product. Never mind the systemic changes which are slotted to change the significance of loot (i.e. potential server hopping fixes and a controlled loot list on the hive).

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I like the Galil, I think the ARM is a very good option for the mag-fed LMGs. But it's too AK-y for me to be a staunch proponent of when we've got two AK pattern weapons inbound already.

It's incredibly different from the AK, it's just a similar pattern if anything. What I wouldn't want is for them to do something like an AK47 or Type 56 with the AKM, that's too similar. However, an AK-74 is clearly reasonable, and an AKS-74U is another necessary weapon.

I'm not saying we'll see the Galil any time soon, but it's reasonably different enough for them to include it in the end. I'd like some battle rifles like the SVT-40, FN FAL & G3 first, obviously. We should also get some more growth on LMGs, SMGs, Revolvers, Bolt-Action Rifles, Lever-Action Rifles/Shotguns, Shotguns in general, explosives, and improvised/melee weapons.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[gibonez 3633]

Well, we have no idea what items will be rare in the final product. Never mind the systemic changes which are slotted to change the significance of loot (i.e. potential server hopping fixes and a controlled loot list on the hive).

 

yea true everything is subject to change.

 

I just feel like atm they missed a golden opportunity by adding so many optics and by making optics so versatile.

 

99 percent of mosins in the game should be iron sighted rifles just like Simonov intended.

 

Optics make shooting far too easy and the gameplay has greatly affected because of this.

 

Iron sights making up the grand grand majority of the weapons in the game would have led to more interesting gunfights to say the least. I could see suppressing fire playing a role but sadly the optics cancel that out making long range accurate fire almost childsplay in game.