Should DayZ Be In The Armaverse?

[Katana67 2907]

I've often wondered whether or not DayZ is, or should be, a part of the Armaverse (i.e. the same fictional universe in which the ARMA series takes place).

 

To me, it's essential to create a coherent universe for DayZ to exist in. Obviously, DayZ is much more about "the players telling the story" than ARMA. But it's still a fiction which requires context.

 

Personally, I think DayZ should be integrated into the Armaverse. And I think it already is, solely by being set in Chernarus (vice anywhere else).

 

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that because of my desire for DayZ to be in the Armaverse, that it should have the same objectives as the ARMA series. Not at all. This is solely about the fictional universe in which the games occur.

 

But, I don't think we've had a firm "yes" or "no" by the developers. So I think some basic information regarding lore is in order in relation to DayZ (and no, don't post the BIS ARMA II Chernarus lore, we know what it is, that's not the topic of discussion here). Such as whether or not DayZ is a part of the Armaverse. And what year DayZ takes place in (assumedly, if in the Armaverse, sometime after 2009).

 

What are your thoughts?

Edited April 12, 2014 by Katana67

[eleventhavenue 204]

For me, DayZ will always, firstly, take place in Chernarus, no matter what awesome custom maps are released.

Still I think it's a bit pointless arguing when DayZ takes place, since some things (like a plane chrashing into the hotel) isn't in the Arma 2 campaign while some things from the Arma 2 campaign (like the FOB in the north and the bombed out house in Olsha) isn't in DayZ.

[gibonez 3633]

No they have a chance to build a completely new universe in dayz and in a sense do whatever they want with it.

 

So creating their own unique universe would be ideal.

Edited April 12, 2014 by gibonez

[Katana67 2907]

No they have a chance to build a completely new universe in dayz and in a sense do whatever they want with it.

 

So creating their own unique universe would be ideal.

 

Well, the argument I'd make there is that they've already created their own unique universe, the Armaverse.

 

DayZ can still do whatever it wants within that universe. Or perhaps, a tangential universe is required (i.e. one that takes the events of ARMA II as lore, but diverges from the universe at that point as to not mess with future ARMA titles).

 

I don't think wholly abandoning the Armaverse is even possible, given that DayZ is set in Chernarus.

[theevancat 94]

I think, with Arma 3 being set in 2033 with no zombie apocalypse (that'd be a pretty big thing to ignore if it were real), DayZ is not in the Armaverse at all or anymore (at least after Arma 2.)

Edited April 13, 2014 by TheEvanCat

[Daemonkid 493]

It's apart of the Armaverse already. Chedaki berets confirm this. Same with the fact we can find western military equipment. 

Although, on the box of cereal it says 2017. So I thought it implied the year of DayZ is 2017, then I realized the box of cereal was just ported over from Arma 3. (alongside bandages, waterbottles canteens.. soda cans.. pretty much all the loot you find is just an Arma 3 port, QQ)

[Daemonkid 493]

I think, with Arma 3 being set in 2033 with no zombie apocalypse (that'd be a pretty big thing to ignore if it were real), DayZ is not in the Armaverse at all or anymore (at least after Arma 2.)

Divergent timelines. 1 timeline where the world goes to shit with zombies. The other where the world goes to shit, but no zombies.

[theevancat 94]

It's apart of the Armaverse already. Chedaki berets confirm this. Same with the fact we can find western military equipment. 

Although, on the box of cereal it says 2017. So I thought it implied the year of DayZ is 2017, then I realized the box of cereal was just ported over from Arma 3. (alongside bandages, waterbottles canteens.. soda cans.. pretty much all the loot you find is just an Arma 3 port, QQ)

 

IIRC the changelog for the Arma 3 update that brought all that stuff into the game was made by the DayZ team. So I guess they made it for both. It's down there. I just CTRL-F'd "DayZ" to find it.

 

http://dev.arma3.com/spotrep-00013

 

[Daemonkid 493]

Hrm. That's interesting. When I bought Arma 3.(Which I can't play now because my computer died) I noticed the objects looked the same as DayZ, but I had bought DayZ prior and Arma 3 released early, I assumed the objects were created for A3 then ported over. That's interesting. 

But on topic, i'm pretty sure it's in the Armaverse, since they have small little nods towards it. But divergent time lines and all that story telling nonsense would help make it work. I already have a story for my characters, a couple are ex-chedaki and a few are NAFTA(I think, or Napa, can't remember from A2) Then I haz my Marine medic that I like to play as. It's all in good fun and a little more concrete backstory would really help establish the setting.

[gibonez 3633]

What I am actually more curious about is when is dayz set ?

 

Is it current day or is it somewhere in the 1990s ?

[Katana67 2907]

What I am actually more curious about is when is dayz set ?

 

Is it current day or is it somewhere in the 1990s ?

 

M4A1 was first used in the mid-late 1990s. The configuration we see in DayZ (i.e. with the LE stock) wasn't put out until 2001/2002.

 

40 round PMAGs only came out in 2013.

 

Still doesn't give us an idea of when DayZ is taking place. Can't take real-world properties for granted. Could still be earlier. But I assume it's modern-day.

 

Hrm. That's interesting. When I bought Arma 3.(Which I can't play now because my computer died) I noticed the objects looked the same as DayZ, but I had bought DayZ prior and Arma 3 released early, I assumed the objects were created for A3 then ported over. That's interesting. 

But on topic, i'm pretty sure it's in the Armaverse, since they have small little nods towards it. But divergent time lines and all that story telling nonsense would help make it work. I already have a story for my characters, a couple are ex-chedaki and a few are NAFTA(I think, or Napa, can't remember from A2) Then I haz my Marine medic that I like to play as. It's all in good fun and a little more concrete backstory would really help establish the setting.

 

The inclusion of certain items, although I agree with you, doesn't necessarily mean we're playing in the same universe/timeline as ARMA.

 

Divergent timelines. 1 timeline where the world goes to shit with zombies. The other where the world goes to shit, but no zombies.

 

This is what I'm thinking, same universe, different tangents. Split off after the events of ARMA II.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Katana67

[xX_fr0st-w0lf_Xx (DayZ) 343]

No its not and hopefully never will be in the armaverse

[igor-vk 909]

Definetly should be in Armaverse. I want to see cool stuff from AO, BAF and PMC. Most of all that cool Land Rovers with MGs and backpacks hanging from them (MGs not functional offcourse, or removed) And maybe hidden comunist camp somewhere in woods.

[byrgesen 1341]

Of course it belong in the Arma Verse.

Heres the ArmaVerse Timeline, and you can clearly see a gap between 2013 and 2035 (from TOH to Arma III), could this be the years the infection took hold of some of the world?

The start of Arma III is even refered to as "The Altis Incident" hehe, almost perfect for a conspiracy theory ;)

And since Arma III is taking place on islands not connected to mainland, we have no idea what the rest of the world looks like in 2035, it could be that half of asia was infected or something like that.

 

Im hoping BI finds a nice way to connect it to the ArmaVerse, it would just make sense, be it in one or two "timelines" i dont care, but with this amount of details in they're other games, it has to be done tbh.

[Katana67 2907]

I highly, highly, doubt that BIS would want zombies arbitrarily attached to the same timeline as ARMA III.

 

However, I agree that the most prudent thing to do is to attach it in some way to the same universe. I would prefer it to just be a separate timeline from ARMA III, branching off after the events of ARMA II.

 

Perhaps the terms "Armaverse" and "DayZ Armaverse" are apt.

[OrLoK 16186]

Hello there

 

I don mean to rain on your parade but the Armaverse has personally never affected me in anyway and on the whole ive ignored it although I adore the games.

 

The most I pay attention is the rough setting and even in that Im vague.

 

To me Chernarus is in "Russia" or at the very least is a communistic outer state of the USSR I do know where its really based but tbh on the whole Ive never needed a lore behind the games to enjoy it.

 

Its the same with the Zeds/Infected. Im not fussed what they are only what threat they are to me.

 

Perhaps Im a souless realist, but to me the background history isnt at all important.

 

That said I do understand that folk really do go in for that kind of thing, so in that spirit and to stop being a grumpy bugger I think DAYZ should live in a parallel Armaverse rather than the Milsim/game one.

 

IMHO they are to disparate to co exist. 

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[Daemonkid 493]

 

 

To me Chernarus is in "Russia" or at the very least is a communistic outer state of the USSR I do know where its really based but tbh on the whole Ive never needed a lore behind the games to enjoy it.

 

 

 

 

Personally, I believe it's based on the Georgia region ex soviet bloc country. But the map is mapped on a place in the Czech republic. Due to the fact Takistan is a stone throw away from Chernarus and IR Georgia is a stones throw away from a few middle eastern countries. But that's just my take on it.

[gibonez 3633]

One thing is for certain though.

 

Dayz needs a backstory and origin quick.

[OrLoK 16186]

One thing is for certain though.

 

Dayz needs a backstory and origin quick.

Hello there

 

Why quick? The game will play the same with or without one.

 

Or is a back story that important to you/others?

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[Katana67 2907]

Personally, I believe it's based on the Georgia region ex soviet bloc country. But the map is mapped on a place in the Czech republic. Due to the fact Takistan is a stone throw away from Chernarus and IR Georgia is a stones throw away from a few middle eastern countries. But that's just my take on it.

 

I think it's just fictional, it's an amalgam of (mainly in my opinion) the Czech Republic, Ukraine, and perhaps a country like Georgia (maybe Bosnia as well). It's not necessarily meant to emulate any of them in any given instance.

 

As an aside, I wouldn't be opposed to BIS hiring on (or sourcing) a freakin' writer to hammer out just some basic details about DayZ's lore and universe.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Katana67

[Katana67 2907]

Or is a back story that important to you/others?

 

To me, it's essential. It differentiates non-contextual shooters (playing on maps for no reason) from immersive games like DayZ.

 

It's not enough for me to just... play... I need to know why I'm playing. Context is essential for me. Player stories cannot exist in a vacuum.

 

Otherwise, there's no difference to me in telling a story from Battlefield about how rad that explosion was when I blew up that tank to DayZ stories of banditry. There's no context for why this is happening.

[Daemonkid 493]

I think it's just fictional, it's an amalgam of (mainly in my opinion) the Czech Republic, Ukraine, and perhaps a country like Georgia (maybe Bosnia as well). It's not necessarily meant to emulate any of them in any given instance.

 

As an aside, I wouldn't be opposed to BIS hiring on (or sourcing) a freakin' writer to hammer out just some basic details about DayZ's lore and universe.

Nono, it was just speculation based on the ingame rough map that they have. To me the way the map is layed out screams in the Armaverse the realworld counterpart to the location would be Georgia. There was also that conflict in Georgia back in the day where Russia got involved.  But that's just my speculation.

 

And hire a writer? Pfft, i'll write up the DayZ lore for free. I already like to write short stories and i'm pretty good at it. (Poems too!)

[SGT. Kalme 106]

It's apart of the Armaverse already. Chedaki berets confirm this. Same with the fact we can find western military equipment. 

Although, on the box of cereal it says 2017. So I thought it implied the year of DayZ is 2017, then I realized the box of cereal was just ported over from Arma 3. (alongside bandages, waterbottles canteens.. soda cans.. pretty much all the loot you find is just an Arma 3 port, QQ)

 

The western countries were involved with the plot in ArmA 2 Chernarus.

 

ArmA2 seems to take place in 2009 IIRC from the BI story about it.

[Katana67 2907]

Nono, it was just speculation based on the ingame rough map that they have. To me the way the map is layed out screams in the Armaverse the realworld counterpart to the location would be Georgia. There was also that conflict in Georgia back in the day where Russia got involved.  But that's just my speculation.

 

And hire a writer? Pfft, i'll write up the DayZ lore for free. I already like to write short stories and i'm pretty good at it. (Poems too!

 

I just don't think Chernarus has a single real-life counterpart, or any real-life counterpart.

[Daemonkid 493]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9970/screenshot20091107at628.jpg

 

Just my opinion on it.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Daemonkid