Loot grinding

[AzrailCross 48]

You could say that every house does indeed have that coin. It represents the chance the item is there. Search enough houses and you will eventually find the item.

 

I really am starting to wonder if this is a game for you.

I think to most people and this is just a assumption for the most part aside from those I know agree...

 

The *main* draw of DayZ even when it was just a mod was the Survival aspect, which ment exactly that.. the house represented items that would help with surviving, and so you checked them, rinsed and repeated with the risk being the Infected - used to slow down your looting so it wasn't a door-opening house robbing simulator, and players used as a means to instill not only an even greater threat, but the only and best ally creating unique dynamics. But all in all DayZ boiled down lives and breathes off of you being the type of person who starts out on the beach and has a instant urge to want to find food, water, and survive; which means looting various places to do so, and each time it never dulls; and even if the looting were to dull and become tedious, the rest of the game - the risk of zombies and other players, the potential loss of all you've obtained and 'not' surviving was the rest of the motivational drive to keep you enjoying the game.

 

That and obviously the other stuff that occurred, people taking hostages, holding interrogations, forming alliances and kill squads and hero groups and forming traps and all sort of other rather well thought out plots that simply would not work or even matter in the least if you didn't care about what you had - and you wouldn't care about what you had unless it was time consuming to obtain.

 

Certainly if your items came without a timesink or grind as you call it, hostages wouldn't mean anything at all, since you'd just respawn with all your gear or close enough to it. There'd be no real tangible reason to take cover or do anything tactical or sensible since.. what do you have to lose? By making things take time and chance to obtain you (should) start to care and be more cautious and realistic in your approach of situations, to hopefully a peaceful resolution so you don't risk losing it all and starting over.

Edited March 31, 2014 by AzrailCross

[mgc 92]

Everything just points the fact that this is not game for you.

Almost every MMO type of game will be like this, games that may suit you would be COD,BF type of deals where you get the guns etc for playing few hours as you say.

Any MMO with content will not rely on grinding to keep it's players occupied.

[Zeppa 562]

Any MMO with content will not rely on grinding to keep it's players occupied.

Maybe not rely, but will have it as a major part. If you like doing quests etc then there is different games for that. 

Then again that may be part of your grind also, you have to do those quests etc to get to the point you want to be.

That is all, there is no escape.

Edited March 31, 2014 by Zeppa

[enforcer1975 1111]

Any MMO with content will not rely on grinding to keep it's players occupied.

 

 

Maybe not rely, but will have it as a major part. If you like doing quests etc then there is different games for that. 

Then again that may be part of your grind also, you have to do those quests etc to get to the point you want to be.

That is all, there is no escape.

 

I played PotBs for a while...after grinding 24/7 and reaching lvl 50 with my 3rd character it became old...and all that for useless perks that don't really give you anything and removing player skil from the equation.

[mgc 92]

The *main* draw of DayZ even when it was just a mod was the Survival aspect, which ment exactly that.. the house represented items that would help with surviving, and so you checked them,

You need the items, so you grind.

Not because you like to grind, but because you need the items.

 

There are ways to increase grinding like making certain items absolutely essential or making similar items, 1 more efficient than others. Just having a lot of items itself increases grinding.

I say we don't need those grind amplifying tricks. Yes, it keeps the average Joe off the streets (or rather, on it), but this game is supposed to have enough content without having to use game play extending (and boredom inducing) tactics.

[Irish. 4886]

What? 

 

The point of this game is loot. The entire point. Its not survival, its not pvp, its loot. The original mod, that Dayz used to be made, was an Arma loot finding mission. I think it was literally called "Loot finding mission" or similar. 

 

There is a mod called Wasteland. You do not need to loot.

 

There is another game called Arma 3. No zombies, no looting. Just PVP action. 

 

There are mods for Arma 3 that are just like Dayz with and without Zombies. Some even have the SA features added in.

 

Go pick one of those and give it a try if looting is not your cup of tea. Because the only other option is for BIS to change this game and make it so there is no loot anywhere, no point to the game, and everyone starts with all the gear they want. Now try to explain to me what everyone is going to do in that scenario? Oh yeah, it will basically be a huge, slow paced shooter that lacks any real focus or purpose. No stats. Just running around, sitting on a hill and shooting each other. Id rather play BF or CS at that point. Since you know, this game is far from smooth and silky. 

[iBane 381]

And more grinding.

 

Yeah, like UBER grinding.  It is important to make high-level goals (acquiring rare loot, building a base, repairing a heli, etc.) challenging, but they must be realistically achievable.  

 

That little discussion sounded like the coolest stuff may be achievable only to large groups of aligned players or people with endless time on their hands.  It could be a mistake to have top-tier rewards contingent on these two parameters.  It's just speculation at this point, but that's what it sounded like.  

Edited March 31, 2014 by iBane

[mgc 92]

What? 

 

The point of this game is loot. The entire point. Its not survival, its not pvp, its loot. The original mod, that Dayz used to be made, was an Arma loot finding mission. I think it was literally called "Loot finding mission" or similar. 

 

There is a mod called Wasteland. You do not need to loot.

 

There is another game called Arma 3. No zombies, no looting. Just PVP action. 

 

There are mods for Arma 3 that are just like Dayz with and without Zombies. Some even have the SA features added in.

 

Go pick one of those and give it a try if looting is not your cup of tea. Because the only other option is for BIS to change this game and make it so there is no loot anywhere, no point to the game, and everyone starts with all the gear they want. Now try to explain to me what everyone is going to do in that scenario? Oh yeah, it will basically be a huge, slow paced shooter that lacks any real focus or purpose. No stats. Just running around, sitting on a hill and shooting each other. Id rather play BF or CS at that point. Since you know, this game is far from smooth and silky. 

""the only other option is for BIS to change this game and make it so there is no loot anywhere""

More grey scales please.

Looting is fine, grinding is not.

 

""try to explain to me what everyone is going to do in that scenario?""

Make bases? Create vehicles? Fight Z? Form clans? Hide in woods? You name it, I can put a questionmark behind it? You know, play the game.

 

""lacks any real focus or purpose""

imo loot is a tool for both player and dev. On the player side loot makes "life" more convenient / fun, and for the dev it is a way to steer player behavior. Loot itself is not a goal unless you're a dragon.

[Irish. 4886]

""the only other option is for BIS to change this game and make it so there is no loot anywhere""

More grey scales please.

Looting is fine, grinding is not.

 

""try to explain to me what everyone is going to do in that scenario?""

Make bases? Create vehicles? Fight Z? Form clans? Hide in woods? You name it, I can put a questionmark behind it? You know, play the game.

 

""lacks any real focus or purpose""

imo loot is a tool for both player and dev. On the player side loot makes "life" more convenient / fun, and for the dev it is a way to steer player behavior. Loot itself is not a goal unless you're a dragon.

So looting is fine, but having trouble with looting is not? Can you define grinding so that there is no more confusion.. please. I dont even get what you want then, if looting is "grinding" but its not, unless it is.. wtf?

 

So if there was no more "grinding" of loot.. or no more loot at all. People would do the same things they do now with said loot "grinding". Again, what the hell is really going on here? Why are we even having this conversation? 

 

Again, the confusion continues.. each time I try to respond to your quoting my comment, I struggle to even grasp the point being made. Loot is not a goal unless your a dragon? wut?  :|

 

I guess the only way I can respond is welcome to dayz? :blush:

[mgc 92]

So looting is fine, but having trouble with looting is not? Can you define grinding so that there is no more confusion.. please. I dont even get what you want then, if looting is "grinding" but its not, unless it is.. wtf?

 

So if there was no more "grinding" of loot.. or no more loot at all. People would do the same things they do now with said loot "grinding". Again, what the hell is really going on here? Why are we even having this conversation? 

 

Again, the confusion continues.. each time I try to respond to your quoting my comment, I struggle to even grasp the point being made. Loot is not a goal unless your a dragon? wut?  :|

 

I guess the only way I can respond is welcome to dayz? :blush:

""Loot is not a goal unless your a dragon? wut?""

Well known fact.

 

""So if there was no more "grinding" of loot.. or no more loot at all. People would do the same things they do now""

Apart from looting, obviously. I'm not arguing against the concept of loot, but the way, quality and quantity it is dispensed at.

 

""Can you define grinding""

It's up there somewhere.

I also mentioned factors that (imo) needlessly increase grind.

[mgc 92]

Everything just points the fact that this is not game for you.

Do you feel that BF is grindy when you have to kill this and that to get certain items/attachments/guns, you cant escape it... some games have more of it and some less.

Difference is that game like Dayz doesnt have GRINDING in the meaning of the word. Grinding happens when you will achieve something when you do something always and for everyone.

Dayz doesnt give the certainty that you will find that scope, many games will give you the way to get it, ie kil x amount with the gun to get attachment x.

So dayz doesnt really have grinding, there is only grinding if you make it to be.

To the car parts thing, again trading is the shortcut... sparkplugs for can of beans, anyone?

This you cannot do in many games, there you have to do that "grind" as you say.

""To the car parts thing, again trading is the shortcut""

For trade to work, both items must have similar value. The only values are rarity, quantity and quality. All these suggest a time sink ("time sink" is part of my definition of a grind). If you were to make everything cheap, there wouldn't be much grinding required, but trade is not a shortcut time sink wise.

[hellcat420 212]

""This game is mean't to be hard and about surviving""

Yeah, I'm fine with that, but can we let that depend more on playing it smart than on grinding please? Effort is cool and all that, but it's also boring like hell and takes forever.

well thats what survival is. a long never ending grind.

Edited March 31, 2014 by hellcat420

[mgc 92]

well thats what survival is. a long never ending grind.

Sounds like fun.

[hellcat420 212]

Sounds like fun.

well, you have to remember that in all of the movies/tv shows like walking dead that everyone likes to use as a reference, you only get to see about 1% of what the characters actually do, if that, because that is the "interesting" stuff. the rest of the time is "grinding"

Edited March 31, 2014 by hellcat420

[mgc 92]

well, you have to remember that in all of the movies/tv shows like walking dead that everyone likes to use as a reference, you only get to see about 1% of what the characters actually do, if that, because that is the "interesting" stuff. the rest of the time is "grinding"

Interesting stuff is interesting.

[hellcat420 212]

Interesting stuff is interesting.

yep, and this is a zombie apocalypse survival sim, not an interesting stuff sim.

[mgc 92]

yep, and this is a zombie apocalypse survival sim, not an interesting stuff sim.

Considering the interesting stuff in this case is pvp and pve, you better be wrong about that one.

[hellcat420 212]

Considering the interesting stuff in this case is pvp and pve, you better be wrong about that one.

if you cant handle the loot grind now, this is not the game for you. the loot grind is going to get worse as the game progresses through development.

[mgc 92]

if you cant handle the loot grind now, this is not the game for you. the loot grind is going to get worse as the game progresses through development.

I would like grinding to be kept to a minimum. Don't make it worse than it has to be. It is not something I enjoy in games.

[hellcat420 212]

I would like grinding to be kept to a minimum. Don't make it worse than it has to be. It is not something I enjoy in games.

well what we want does not really matter that much. they already have our money. what dean hall wants is what we are going to get, since its his game.

[sess130 50]

If you know where to look for the loot you want to find, its not hard to kit out your character at all. I personally love how hard it is to find sniper scopes/pistol red dots. Those should be icing on the cake after you have everything else you need to survive anyway. I just hope once they add more 'realistic' sniper rifles (i.e. .308, .3006, etc) that the mosin gets uber nerfed. Mostly due to the fact that a mosin irl would be less accurate than any of the rifles currently in game.

[mgc 92]

well what we want does not really matter that much. they already have our money. what dean hall wants is what we are going to get, since its his game.

I guess we might as well all stop posting then.

 

If you know where to look for the loot you want to find, its not hard to kit out your character at all. I personally love how hard it is to find sniper scopes/pistol red dots. Those should be icing on the cake after you have everything else you need to survive anyway. I just hope once they add more 'realistic' sniper rifles (i.e. .308, .3006, etc) that the mosin gets uber nerfed. Mostly due to the fact that a mosin irl would be less accurate than any of the rifles currently in game.

Suppose there will be random loot respawn and you don't know what you will find?

 

I have everything I need except long range vision. And in DayZ that can be lethal.

[makomachine 263]

I guess we might as well all stop posting then.

 

Suppose there will be random loot respawn and you don't know what you will find?

 

I have everything I need except long range vision. And in DayZ that can be lethal.

 

LRS is fairly easy to find - but you got to get into the hot zones, or at least on the fringes...

[mgc 92]

LRS is fairly easy to find - but you got to get into the hot zones, or at least on the fringes...

Would it be safe to assume barracks or jails will spawn them?

[makomachine 263]

Would it be safe to assume barracks or jails will spawn them?

Hangers, ATC catwalk, and mesh covered barricades at tent areas.