gannon46 788 Posted March 23, 2014 I know its weird but I was playin payday 2 me and a friend we play dayz a lot....I mean a lot. so I got the default weapon and its an M4 would you believe and I've tested it to see they act the same are the devs wanting weapons like this all arcade and shit. if so this is crap it works for payday but not dayz come on fellas its not the halflife engine and we are not shooting cops though that would be nice I miss the cop zeds I liked putting them down fuck the police but anyway anyone else notice this. play payday use the M4 variants and tell me this isn't the same gun. its good for the same range and everything fucking bullet spread. please give us authentic weapons I don't care if I get one shot'ed I want authentic weapons like they are in real life. they won't do it because it would be to badass one shot from an M4 from 500M would be a death sentence. and I've shot these weapons they can do that range I shot one for a few hours with a 120 rnd drum a bipod and a scope it was a colt H-bar. I was shooting the primers out of empty shot gun shells at 300 or more meters and I'm no military trained fucker I'm a CIV so don't give me that we are CIV bullshit. the first gun I ever fired at the age of 10 was a full auto TEC-9. so make it realistic or make this some arcade dumbass shooter if so then we oldschool bastards that know how weapons work and have actually shot these weapons in REAL life will be disappointed and that's bullshit if you ask me. screw these gamer fly by night hype sucking noobs give us what we want a simulator with realistic weapons fuck balancing I want realism. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SFRGaming 718 Posted March 23, 2014 As much as I wish this could have been a bit more formal, I have to agree with you. I use an AR-15 on a daily basis and I know how an AR-15/M4A1 should handle. Dean is taking a WarZ-type approach to weapons by making them stupidly inaccurate in hopes to reduce KoS but the fact if the matter is, make the rest of the game realistic, then the weapons arcadey can be a bit awkward. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electi 149 Posted March 23, 2014 Realism pls.I do not want another arcade, there is tons of this. Go hardcore, go realism and you will win. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gannon46 788 Posted March 23, 2014 As much as I wish this could have been a bit more formal, I have to agree with you. I use an AR-15 on a daily basis and I know how an AR-15/M4A1 should handle. Dean is taking a WarZ-type approach to weapons by making them stupidly inaccurate in hopes to reduce KoS but the fact if the matter is, make the rest of the game realistic, then the weapons arcadey can be a bit awkward.having the weapons be horribly inaccurate doesn't stop KOS we all learned that. and its a disgrace to me to see the SKS outperforming a platform that I know and love. its not our fault the gun was designed to be so badass if a gun/toll is garbage then it should be garbage(sorry AK lovers but the gun is trash in real life just a spray pray weapon made for CIV's to fight occupations). KOS is not going to go away and in my opinion it shouldn't you have the right and freedom to kill who you want and to be smart enough to know how a tool performs should be the advantage. the reason I think they don't is everyone would have an M4 and noone would pick up this Russian trash. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electi 149 Posted March 23, 2014 having the weapons be horribly inaccurate doesn't stop KOS we all learned that. and its a disgrace to me to see the SKS outperforming a platform that I know and love. its not our fault the gun was designed to be so badass if a gun/toll is garbage then it should be garbage(sorry AK lovers but the gun is trash in real life just a spray pray weapon made for CIV's to fight occupations). KOS is not going to go away and in my opinion it shouldn't you have the right and freedom to kill who you want and to be smart enough to know how a tool performs should be the advantage. the reason I think they don't is everyone would have an M4 and noone would pick up this Russian trash.Does not agree about m4, but agree about weapon issue, that's it is not like in real life at all.BTW. any weapon can be accurate if you know hot to use it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SFRGaming 718 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) having the weapons be horribly inaccurate doesn't stop KOS we all learned that. and its a disgrace to me to see the SKS outperforming a platform that I know and love. its not our fault the gun was designed to be so badass if a gun/toll is garbage then it should be garbage(sorry AK lovers but the gun is trash in real life just a spray pray weapon made for CIV's to fight occupations). KOS is not going to go away and in my opinion it shouldn't you have the right and freedom to kill who you want and to be smart enough to know how a tool performs should be the advantage. the reason I think they don't is everyone would have an M4 and noone would pick up this Russian trash.Well, keep in mind the purpose for the weapons when they were designed. The AK was given the tank commanders as a "Last Defense" stage to lunge several high-caliber rounds within a short distance. The M4A1, deriving from the M16, was used to give US soldiers a gun that is more accurate, smaller, and more person-friendly than the M14. Also had a LOT less kick. Does not agree about m4, but agree about weapon issue, that's it is not like in real life at all.BTW. any weapon can be accurate if you know hot to use it Yes, but remember, the AK was built loosely for easy field stripping and durability against natural elements, but the gun shakes (the barrel mostly) due to the vibrations. This causes the first AK model to be inaccurate. After the AK, when the AK-74 and the AKM were released, a lot of the shaking and shuddering was fixed. And while the guy above might have exaggerated slightly, the M4A1 (AR-15 in my respective terms) is a really accurate weapon. I use one every weekend and can say its VERY easy to shoot and accurate even when bone-stock. Edited March 23, 2014 by Shadow134 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
So Sexy 259 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) having the weapons be horribly inaccurate doesn't stop KOS we all learned that. and its a disgrace to me to see the SKS outperforming a platform that I know and love. its not our fault the gun was designed to be so badass if a gun/toll is garbage then it should be garbage(sorry AK lovers but the gun is trash in real life just a spray pray weapon made for CIV's to fight occupations). KOS is not going to go away and in my opinion it shouldn't you have the right and freedom to kill who you want and to be smart enough to know how a tool performs should be the advantage. the reason I think they don't is everyone would have an M4 and noone would pick up this Russian trash. LOL, AK trash, better than your M4 anyday, reliable and accurate up to 500m, at least it was in my hands during service, so no need to hate on a rifle, that you most likely never held in your hands, just because everyone loves it since its so damn good. Edited March 23, 2014 by So Sexy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gannon46 788 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) LOL, AK trash, better than your M4 anyday, reliable and accurate up to 500m, at least it was in my hands during service, so need to hate on a rifle, that you most likely never held in your hands, just because everyone loves it, because its so damn good.500m your full of shit. the only thing that gun has is reliability that it if you couldn't stick it in mud and it shoot then you wouldn't have such a hard on for the gun is garbage compared to the M4 get out of here troll go back under your bridge. and yes I have held one and it only felt right from the hip. most of the guns are stamped steel not milled from a solid block your probably some gangster wanna be that calls it a chopper. blah give me a snail drum you take your 75 rnd drum and we go at it while your sprayin i'll take 2 second to line up one shot and your fuckin dead. Edited March 23, 2014 by gannon46 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
So Sexy 259 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) 500m your full of shit. the only thing that gun has is reliability that it if you couldn't stick it in mud and it shoot then you wouldn't have such a hard on the gun is garbage compared to the M$ get out of here troll go back under your bridge. Stop the bullshit please, it was 500m , so relax and dont even try telling me that its not truth, since I shot it with my own hands, hit ~10 out of 12. Edited March 23, 2014 by So Sexy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gannon46 788 Posted March 23, 2014 I'm not gonna debate with a moron. AK=garbage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SFRGaming 718 Posted March 23, 2014 Stop the bullshit please, it was 500m , so relax and dont even try telling me that its not truth, since I shot it with my own hands, hit ~10 out of 12.Which AK model were you issued? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
So Sexy 259 Posted March 23, 2014 I'm not gonna debate with a moron. AK=garbage No need to be so butthurt, ofc its garbage, that is why everyone uses it )) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
execpro22 128 Posted March 23, 2014 I know its weird but I was playin payday 2 me and a friend we play dayz a lot....I mean a lot. so I got the default weapon and its an M4 would you believe and I've tested it to see they act the same are the devs wanting weapons like this all arcade and shit. if so this is crap it works for payday but not dayz come on fellas its not the halflife engine and we are not shooting cops though that would be nice I miss the cop zeds I liked putting them down fuck the police but anyway anyone else notice this. play payday use the M4 variants and tell me this isn't the same gun. its good for the same range and everything fucking bullet spread. please give us authentic weapons I don't care if I get one shot'ed I want authentic weapons like they are in real life. they won't do it because it would be to badass one shot from an M4 from 500M would be a death sentence. and I've shot these weapons they can do that range I shot one for a few hours with a 120 rnd drum a bipod and a scope it was a colt H-bar. I was shooting the primers out of empty shot gun shells at 300 or more meters and I'm no military trained fucker I'm a CIV so don't give me that we are CIV bullshit. the first gun I ever fired at the age of 10 was a full auto TEC-9. so make it realistic or make this some arcade dumbass shooter if so then we oldschool bastards that know how weapons work and have actually shot these weapons in REAL life will be disappointed and that's bullshit if you ask me. screw these gamer fly by night hype sucking noobs give us what we want a simulator with realistic weapons fuck balancing I want realism. 276 posts and he still hasn't figured out the concept of paragraphs.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Etherimp 1323 Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Edited March 23, 2014 by Etherimp 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathlove 2286 Posted March 23, 2014 M4A1 needs to be fixed. If they end up making the AKM more accurate than the M4A1 im going to be fucking pissed. I can respect the AKM for what it is but with magpulls and other attachments M4A1 should be a feared weapon not a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grimey Rick 3417 Posted March 23, 2014 Which AK model were you issued? Give him a while to search Google in a panicked state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taco86 156 Posted March 23, 2014 Yes, but remember, the AK was built loosely for easy field stripping and durability against natural elements, but the gun shakes (the barrel mostly) due to the vibrations. This causes the first AK model to be inaccurate. After the AK, when the AK-74 and the AKM were released, a lot of the shaking and shuddering was fixed. No idea about the ak74, but the stamped akm is actually very slightly less mechanically accurate than the milled ak47 when fired in semi auto mode... The akm is however more accurate when fired at high rates of fire or in full auto due to a factory installed 45° muzzle break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathlove 2286 Posted March 23, 2014 Give him a while to search Google in a panicked state. Already found it for him. XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hannibaldaplaya 1095 Posted March 23, 2014 Stop the AK hate. ;_; Also-The assault rifles are more accurate in Left 4 Dead 2 then they are in DayZ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathlove 2286 Posted March 23, 2014 Stop the AK hate. ;_; Also-The assault rifles are more accurate in Left 4 Dead 2 then they are in DayZ.Not everyone is a fan of Russian made weapons. Making the AK better than a modern M4A1 is kind of showing a strong set of favoritism over realism. In fact just make both the AK and M4A1 very accurate weapons and both Americans and Russians would be happy. End of story. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taco86 156 Posted March 23, 2014 Deathlove, I don't think it has anything to do with appeasing the overly nationalistic slow blinkers among us... It has to do with wanting some form of realism (in terms of weapon performance) in this supposed survival "Simulation". The AKM should not be as accurate as an m4a1... AKM grouping should be between 3-4 MOA at 100m, m4a1 is less than half that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathlove 2286 Posted March 23, 2014 Deathlove, I don't think it has anything to do with appeasing the overly nationalistic slow blinkers among us... It has to do with wanting some form of realism (in terms of weapon performance) in this supposed survival "Simulation". The AKM should not be as accurate as an m4a1... AKM grouping should be between 3-4 MOA at 100m, m4a1 is less than half that.I know dude but there are tones of ppl that think the AKs are the END ALL BE ALL weapons. : / Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SFRGaming 718 Posted March 23, 2014 I know dude but there are tones of ppl that think the AKs are the END ALL BE ALL weapons. : /This is because AK's are the most known weapons when regarding video games, movies, commercials, jokes, anything really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weedmasta 784 Posted March 23, 2014 I'm not gonna debate with a moron. AK=garbage You really have no clue about guns do you? (And yes, it is a rhetorical question) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemonkid 493 Posted March 23, 2014 Each weapon does what it was designed to do in real life remarkably. The AK was issued as a tankers weapon. It's first iteration was to lob a many rounds at the enemy as fast as possible. It's a good spray and pray weapon.The later variants improved the accuracy of the weapon. The M4A1 is a precision rifle, it is designed to accurately engage targets to 500m. It has fullauto mode for when engagements require putting as much lead down range as possible.What i'm getting at is, the AK was designed as a weapon to put as much lead down range as possible. While the starting of the AR series was a precision rifle.Both designs are pretty much similar in their intentions now. Accurate fire at long ranges, and sending walls of lead at targets in a close engagement.The AK does walls of lead better, while the M4 does precision shooting better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
