payday 2 M4 and weapons compared to dayz

[Weedz 1105]

 

OP, not sure what you're complaining about.  I can snipe targets at about 200-250 yards with the DayZ M4 no problem.  Beyond that it gets rather difficult, but that's kinda like a real AR-15.  Seems realistic to me...  You just need the MP mods on the gun.  

That's exactly what the problem is. If something is at 200M you shouldn't ever consider it "sniping". Pretty much anyone who's familiar with and uses guns can hit a human sized target at least 8/10 times at 500M with any AR-15 type weapon. I shoot pest birds with my highpowered BB/pellet-gun off my barn roof at 150M easily from my computer chair leaning way over unbalanced out my bedroom window and that is by far my least accurate "gun".

Edited March 23, 2014 by Weedz

[So Sexy 259]

Im sorry if I was rude, but after going through mandatory service, I will not be questioned by people who dont even know how hard it is.

Peace :D

[-Gews- 7443]

An SKS is a WW2 rifle with an effective range of under 400M...

 

An AKM can be accurate up to 1000M

 

400 is not slightly more than 1000

 

 

 

Soviet dispersion figures for SKS and AKM:

 

[Weedz 1105]

 

Soviet dispersion figures for SKS and AKM:

 

Random columns of number mean absolutely nothing especially when they aren't even in the same format and have nothing to indicate what they are showing. For all I know that could be showing the dispersion for under 200M. There is also huge flaws with the charts why are the numbers so wildly off from each other randomly they start almost the same and end exactly the same but are way off in the middle? Does one of the guns lose accuracy at 200M then gain it back at 400?

 

Were the guns tested on the same day at the same time? Was it the same weather? Was it outside or inside? Was the humidity the same? Were they using bullets manufactured in the same place in the same batch?

 

You can also clearly see that the AKM starts becoming closer to the accuracy of the SKS the farther down you go eventually becoming a tie at the bottom. The SKS loses accuracy at a much higher rate then the AMK in those charts. I've also seen the chart on the left and that isn't even the entire thing; what did you do cut off the bottoms of the charts because they show the AKM becomes more accurate?

 

... So thank you for proving my point that the AKM is more accurate at farther distances I guess?

 

The SKS is an absolute POS weapon that was used for about 2 days in WW2 before being replaced by superior weaponry.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Weedz

[recoil333 6]

 

 

Random columns of number mean absolutely nothing especially when they aren't even in the same format and have nothing to indicate what they are showing. For all I know that could be showing the dispersion for under 200M. There is also huge flaws with the charts why are the numbers so wildly off from each other randomly they start almost the same and end exactly the same but are way off in the middle? Does one of the guns lose accuracy at 200M then gain it back at 400?

 

Were the guns tested on the same day at the same time? Was it the same weather? Was it outside or inside? Was the humidity the same? Were they using bullets manufactured in the same place in the same batch?

 

You can also clearly see that the AKM starts becoming closer to the accuracy of the SKS the farther down you go eventually tying it at the bottom. The SKS loses accuracy at a much higher rate then the AMK in those charts. I've also seen the chart on the left and that isn't even the entire thing ... So thank you for proving my point that the AKM is more accurate at farther distances?

 

I'm here to put a rest to this pathetic argument and get back on topic.. Listen weeds, playing with airsoft guns and copying and pasting from google doesn't make anything you say true. I have an SGL-21 AK variant in 7.62 x 39 mm and I can print at 650 yards with nearly 0.3 MOA groups... Stop posting numbers of what guns are capable of, cus clearly YOU'RE not capable of getting good groups with any platform, specifically the AK, you just fuckin suck... I have no military training keep in mind, I'm just a doctor.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Recoil

[Weedz 1105]

And yes OP I just did the Payday 2 free weekend and the M4 does in fact feel almost exactly the same as it does in this game.

 

 

 

I'm here to put a rest to this pathetic argument and get back on topic.. Listen weeds, playing with airsoft guns and copying and pasting from google doesn't make anything you say true. I have an SGL-21 AK variant in 7.62 x 39 mm and I can print at 650 yards with nearly 1 MOA groups... Stop posting numbers of what guns are capable of, cus clearly YOU'RE not capable of getting good groups with any platform, specifically the AK, you just fuckin suck... I have no military training keep in mind, I'm just a doctor.

You also claim you have a 181 IQ and own your own hospital so ... cool story bro? Your intelligence is showing again too ... what does a brand new 500$ (farthest from original ever made) civilian model AK variant have anything at all to do with mid 1900's military SKS and AKMs? Yet again you just fill a thread with useless crap that doesn't even have anything to do with what people are talking about and brag about things that make you look like a lying idiot.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Weedz

[recoil333 6]

 

And yes OP I just did the Payday 2 free weekend and the M4 does in fact feel almost exactly the same as it does in this game.

 

 

 

You also claim you have a 181 IQ and own your own hospital so ... cool story bro? Your intelligence is showing again too ... what does a brand new 500$ (farthest from original ever made) AK variant have anything at all to do with mid 1900's ones?

 

I edited my post due to a typo.. It was 0.3 MOA which I really meant. Before I conducted this test, I bought 2 SGL-21's, I buried one of them for 2 years and still achieved this type of accuracy, now get off this thread.

[onkel (DayZ) 5]

No, it's just a cop-out response. I am telling you to try another.

Nice try kid. But i dont care about what you tell me.

You are just words on a white screen to me

Edited March 23, 2014 by onkel

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I edited my post due to a typo.. It was 0.3 MOA which I really meant. Before I conducted this test, I bought 2 SGL-21's, I buried one of them for 2 years and still achieved this type of accuracy, now get off this thread.

 

So, let me get this straight: you're a genius surgeon who owns his own hospital, makes $56,000 a week, owns a small arsenal of guns and can shoot at the level of the Marine Corps?

 

[recoil333 6]

So, let me get this straight: you're a genius surgeon who owns his own hospital, makes $56,000 a week, owns a small arsenal of guns and can shoot at the level of the Marine Corps?

 

Please explain to me how what I'm saying is impossible? It's impossible to be successful in life and engage in different hobbies such as shooting firearms?

Edited March 23, 2014 by Recoil

[Weedz 1105]

So, let me get this straight: you're a genius surgeon who owns his own hospital, makes $56,000 a week, owns a small arsenal of guns and can shoot at the level of the Marine Corps?

 

 

No no, this was at ~600M with an AK that had been buried for 2 years (probably used iron sights too) and he was banging out targets better than a marine recon sniper. He is actually one of the greatest marksman in the history of earth.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Weedz

[GrappleX 354]

Please explain to me how what I'm saying is impossible? It's impossible to be successful in life and engage in different hobbies such as shooting firearms?

Well, seeing as how you lied about your job and income, very badly, everything else you have to say is therefore questionable.

 

Considering that posts you've made in other threads show you to be kind of an asshole, nobody is going to take anything you say remotely seriously.

 

Not even a little.

Edited March 23, 2014 by GrappleX

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Please explain to me how what I'm saying is impossible? It's impossible to be successful in life and engage in different hobbies such as shooting firearms?

 

Yeah, no, you're right. I apologize for questioning the motives of a world-renowned surgeon with such exotic hobbies. After a rough day at the hospital saving children with various diseases, stopping off at the firing range on the way home (I bet you don't even get out of your car, you probably just drive by the range shooting your AK sideways OG-style), you decide to lay down a verbal onslaught on the DayZ forums. That's cool.

 

I am honored.

 

No no, this was at ~600M with an AK (probably iron sights too) and he was banging out targets better than a marine recon sniper. He is actually one of the greatest marksman in the history of earth.

 

i lol'd

[recoil333 6]

Well, seeing as how you lied about your job and income, very badly, everything else you have to say is therefore questionable.

 

Considering that posts you've made in other threads show you to be kind of an asshole, nobody is going to take anything you say remotely seriously.

 

Not even a little.

Please explain to me how I lied? Everything I said still stands. On the other thread I was simply presenting constructive criticism to someone who forgot there's a life outside the computer..

 

 

No no, this was at ~600M with an AK that had been buried for 2 years (probably used iron sights too) and he was banging out targets better than a marine recon sniper. He is actually one of the greatest marksman in the history of earth.

This shooting was done while standing, there was a light breeze and I was using tech sights, if you're not familiar with them use google. It's a form of iron sight, yes. Is that impossible just cus you're not capable of doing it? Put down the airsoft and pick up a real gun when you're old enough boy.

[Weedz 1105]

Yeah, no, you're right. I apologize for questioning the motives of a world-renowned surgeon with such exotic hobbies. After a rough day at the hospital saving children with various diseases, stopping off at the firing range on the way home (I bet you don't even get out of your car, you probably just drive by the range shooting your AK sideways OG-style), you decide to lay down a verbal onslaught on the DayZ forums. That's cool.

 

I am honored.

He also hits the targets on the side of the paper not the front too just cuz he's that good and he can.

 

 

It's a form of iron sight, yes.

called it

Edited March 23, 2014 by Weedz

[GrappleX 354]

Please explain to me how I lied? Everything I said still stands. On the other thread I was simply presenting constructive criticism to someone who forgot there's a life outside the computer..

 

 

 

Well, if you were to make 56,000 a week, that would be 2.5 million dollars a year.

 

Yeah, without any proof, nobody is going to buy that.

 

Defend it all you want, but nobody will belive you.

Edited March 23, 2014 by GrappleX

[-Gews- 7443]

Random columns of number mean absolutely nothing especially when they aren't even in the same format and have nothing to indicate what they are showing. For all I know that could be showing the dispersion for under 100M

It hardly matters what exactly it's showing when they've given the SKS slightly less dispersion, which was the point - Russians themselves seem to have considered it more accurate than the AKM.

SKS has a longer sight radius and is generally considered slightly more accurate. The AKM is not a rifle designed to "be accurate up to 1000m", that's just the maximum range on the rear sight. The same settings are on the SKS.

Anyways those columns are vertical and horizontal mean deviation from 100-800 meters, I believe for infantry under combat conditions... it is used to calculate hit probability and is really not very useful.

For example an infantryman with an SKS fires at a 1m(X) x 0.5m(Y) target 500 meters distant, this would mean about a 30% chance of him missing the target. With the AK a 45% chance of missing. I think.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Gews

[Daemonkid 493]

Please explain to me how what I'm saying is impossible? It's impossible to be successful in life and engage in different hobbies such as shooting firearms?

If you're the same guy that I remember.

Arn't you also getting blowjobs from like, every and all your female patients?

Shouldn't you be getting blown by an imaginary lady right about now?

[recoil333 6]

Yeah, no, you're right. I apologize for questioning the motives of a world-renowned surgeon with such exotic hobbies. After a rough day at the hospital saving children with various diseases, stopping off at the firing range on the way home (I bet you don't even get out of your car, you probably just drive by the range shooting your AK sideways OG-style), you decide to lay down a verbal onslaught on the DayZ forums. That's cool.

 

I bet the only rough day you ever had was spilling breast milk on your keyboard kid..

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I bet the only rough day you ever had was spilling breast milk on your keyboard kid..

 

[GrappleX 354]

I bet the only rough day you ever had was spilling breast milk on your keyboard kid..

 

Right?

 

Working at imaginary hospitals is so hard.

 

Plus you had 15 girlfriends in 2013 alone.

 

Hard work managing all of that cyber tail.

[Weedz 1105]

stuff

Way to ignore 90% of my post and just reply to the parts you choose while ignoring the rest.

 

Those charts show that the AKM catches up to the SKS at 800M and that the SKS loses accuracy at a much higher rate than the AKM starting at 300-400M and like I said I've seen the left chart and that isn't the entire thing they go up to 1000M so my guess is the bottom is chopped off because they show the AKM becomes more accurate.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Weedz

[recoil333 6]

If you're the same guy that I remember.

Arn't you also getting blowjobs from like, every and all your female patients?

Shouldn't you be getting blown by an imaginary lady right about now?

Yea, that's me but that's off the topic of this thread..

 

 

Right?

 

Working at imaginary hospitals is so hard.

 

Plus you had 15 girlfriends in 2013 alone.

 

Hard work managing all of that cyber tail.

So anything that you would never be able to achieve in your life is imaginary? If I thought that way, or any leader figure in a high power position none of us would ever get anywhere in life... It's not impossible to date 15 girls in 2013 (I broke up with them all), nor is it impossible to OWN and WORK at a hospital as a spinal surgeon.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Recoil

[Grimey Rick 3417]

"I AM A SUCCESSFUL SPINAL SURGEON. I OWN MY OWN HOSPITAL. I DATED 15 WOMEN LAST YEAR. I MAKE $56,000 A WEEK. I AM AN EXPERT MARKSMAN. I HAVE NEVER DIED IN DAYZ. I HAVE MANAGED ALL OF THIS FROM MY MOM'S BASEMENT."

 

Edited March 24, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[Daemonkid 493]

http://www.beckersspine.com/orthopedic-spine-industry-leaders/item/3250-100-of-the-best-spine-surgeons-and-specialists-in-america

 

So then. which one is you?

If you're as skilled as you say, surely you would be in this Top 100 list.