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So much fail in this thread  :rolleyes:

 

You guys can argue BS myths about each gun all you want, I don't really care, I just hope that if the development team wants the guns to be a accurate representation of their real life counter parts they hire someone with the appropriate experience to consult them.

 

Until then, I suggest to them to not listen to random people without any real credentials. These are the same kind of people who while AT THE RANGE have called my AR-15 a AK, and my 1917 Enfield a Mosin.

 

With that said, I own or know someone who owns pretty much every weapon they've announced as being in development. I'm sure I could get the developers some range time with those weapons if they need first hand experience.

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Its just a game.

Just like football is "Just a game". Yet people yell and scream about that too.

Try another cop-out response.

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While not a fan of how it was stated, I agree - we need realism in the M4's accuracy. It's largely ignored by me now as having to dump way too many rounds at an individual for a kill makes mag capacity pointless. More stealth and realism is the ticket for me.

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Not everyone is a fan of Russian made weapons. Making the AK better than a modern M4A1 is kind of showing a strong set of favoritism over realism.

In fact just make both the AK and M4A1 very accurate weapons and both Americans and Russians would be happy. End of story.

Yup give the weapons their real life accuracy and everyone is happy.

Btw aks are quite accurate more accurate than stock mosins and SKS.

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Just like football is "Just a game". Yet people yell and scream about that too.

Try another cop-out response.

See, you bit.

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See, you bit.

No, it's just a cop-out response. I am telling you to try another.

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Yup give the weapons their real life accuracy and everyone is happy.

Btw aks are quite accurate more accurate than stock mosins and SKS.

I bet you the SKS is still going to be more accurate than the AKM lol........ until tweaks.

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Yup give the weapons their real life accuracy and everyone is happy.

Btw aks are quite accurate more accurate than stock mosins and SKS.

Yugo SKS is actually slightly more accurate than an akm, or even a milled ak47.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16

 

*cough*

They're both different weapons, but they'll both kill you. So can a rock.

 

Anyways, I haven't noticed poor accuracy on the m4. I guess you mean accuracy while running and gunning and such? Because if I stop to line up a single shot, it usually hits.

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Not saying if this is realistic or not, but the way to make the M4 accurate in Dayz is to get pristine magpul parts.

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Yeah I sure do love it when games make my past years as a professional FPS player and lifetime of owning and operating just about every gun there is mean absolutely nothing. I especially love when they do it so badly my character is a worse shot than I was when I was 5 in real life.

 

No need to be so butthurt, ofc its garbage, that is why everyone uses it ))

Everyone uses it because they can survive out in the elements better and they cost 5$ to make because they are made (badly) in China. Has nothing to do with how good they are. They have a lower rate of fire, lower effective range, lower muzzle velocity and the bullets are much less lethal with a direct hit to a human body (even with body armor 5.56 is still better) as they go right through not fragment and puncture every major organ like 5.56 does. The only thing the AK has going for it is that it is slightly better at penetrating through objects to hit targets behind. Getting hit by an AK is like getting ran through with a long thin knife; getting hit by an M4 is like someone detonating a mini grenade inside your body.

 

How could anyone possibly think that a fatter, heavier, slower traveling, slower spinning bullet could possibly be as accurate? There is a reason they switched to 5.45 with the AK-74 and it wasn't because the 7.62 was too good so they thought they had an unfair advantage.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16

 

*cough*

They're both different weapons, but they'll both kill you. So can a rock.

An M16 isn't an M4 ... not even a little bit.

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People need to stop confusing the M4 and M16.

M16: full-sized rifle. Used by National Guard and some US Army units.

M4: carbine, used by most Regular US Army units, has 3rnd burst capability.

M4A1: carbine, capable of fully automatic fire. AFAIK, issued to Special Forces, special Infantry, etc, but will (starting in 2014) be replacing the M4 and M16.

Sorry, it is just aggravating.

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An M16 isn't an M4 ... not even a little bit.

 

..... "not even a little bit"  The weapons are so ridiculously similar outside of the length of the barrel and the gas tube...

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..... "not even a little bit"  The weapons are so ridiculously similar outside of the length of the barrel and the gas tube...

You know barrel length is pretty much everything with a gun right? Let me know how that sawn-off .50 cal sniper rifle works for you. The barrel is drastically shorter which causes less spin and less muzzle velocity.

 

M16 is for long range accurate engagements (hence the nickname longbow) the M4 is made for modern war on terror close quarters city fighting. Ask any soldier who fought in Iraq or Afghanistan which they would prefer to use. They won't say M16.

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having the weapons be horribly inaccurate doesn't stop KOS we all learned that. and its a disgrace to me to see the SKS outperforming a platform that I know and love. its not our fault the gun was designed to be so badass if a gun/toll is garbage then it should be garbage(sorry AK lovers but the gun is trash in real life just a spray pray weapon made for CIV's to fight occupations). KOS is not going to go away and in my opinion it shouldn't you have the right and freedom to kill who you want and to be smart enough to know how a tool performs should be the advantage. the reason I think they don't is everyone would have an M4 and noone would pick up this Russian trash.

hahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaha I'd take my maadi over an M4 or variant any day.

 

it all depends on the AK. my maadi has a 20" barrel so its very accurate and much quieter than my friends milled sam7 classic. I prefer the 74 to either but I prefer the AK format to any other rifle. Easy of use can't be beat.

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You know barrel length is pretty much everything with a gun right? Let me know how that sawn-off .50 cal sniper rifle works for you. The barrel is drastically shorter which causes less spin and less muzzle velocity.

So let me know if I'm getting your argument right here...  The weapons share over 80% commonality in terms of parts, they fire the same round and they are variants of the same base system...  Both barrels have a 1/7 twist,  Yet somehow, a 10% difference in muzzle velocity means "not even a little bit" in terms of similarity??!?

 

You wut m8?

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So let me know if I'm getting your argument right here...  The weapons share over 80% commonality in terms of parts, they fire the same round and they are variants of the same base system...  Both barrels have a 1/7 twist,  Yet somehow, a 10% difference in muzzle velocity means "not even a little bit" in terms of similarity??!?

 

You wut m8?

Good point. That is why nobody cares if they are using an M16 or an M4 in combat and I'm sure that having more than 1/4 of the barrel chopped off doesn't have any effect either right? They just wanted to change how it looks but ran out of spray paint. A 10% difference when your numbers are in the thousands is a substantial difference.

 

 

 

Yugo SKS is actually slightly more accurate than an akm, or even a milled ak47.

The fact that you think this is remotely true tells me you're getting your information from CoD not real life.

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Weedz...  You're getting overly defensive here...  I'm not, nor have I ever said that a 10% difference in terms of Muzzle velocity is not a substantial difference...  I have actually debated against individuals who underplay the difference in muzzle velocity when looking at terminal ballistics and most specifically the amount of energy the bullet has (about 15% more than a 14.5 inch barrel) and it's increased "fragmentation" range.  That being said, the weapons, in terms of how they operate, are built, and are employed are EXTREMELY SIMILAR.  Trying to claim  that they are not (which you did) is simply ignorant, a stance your holding onto based on pure ego...

 

To put it simply...  Both the m16 and m4 are essentially ar15s...  The m16 is a full sized ar15 utilizing a full length gas tube, and a different buffer assembly resulting in lower pressures (less heat on the bolt) and slightly less recoil as well as 10% more muzzle velocity and about 15% more muzzle energy when directly compared to the m4...  While there are certainly differences between the two rifles, they are still very similar.

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Give him a while to search Google in a panicked state.

Funny kid, let me guess, you are another "proud US marine" ?

And why should I be panicked? :O You guys think you are so cool because you have read a lot of books and material on the internet, and maybe even held a pistol in your hand, nobody cares what model is the stock, which one would be the best in thory etc etc, you just need to know 2 things, how to aim and clean your rifle, the rest is bullshit.I would look at you after 11 months of digging trenches and crawling with a rifle, pathetic.

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The fact that you think this is remotely true tells me you're getting your information from CoD not real life.

 

Ok dude, just stop trolling.

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OP, not sure what you're complaining about.  I can snipe targets at about 200-250 yards with the DayZ M4 no problem.  Beyond that it gets rather difficult, but that's kinda like a real AR-15.  Seems realistic to me...  You just need the MP mods on the gun.  

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Funny kid, let me guess, you are another "proud US marine" ?

And why should I be panicked? :o You guys think you are so cool because you have read a lot of books and material on the internet, and maybe even held a pistol in your hand, I would look at you after 11 months of digging trenches and crawling with a rifle, pathetic.

Look now he is stalling for time because he couldn't find anything.

 

While there are certainly differences between the two rifles, they are still very similar.

Earth and Venus are very similar too ... but good luck living on Venus.

 

 

Ok dude, just stop trolling.

Facts aren't trolling.

 

An SKS is a WW2 rifle with an effective range of under 400M and was designed as a safe fallback in case the AK turned out to be shitty ... which it wasn't. They were replaced almost immediately after being created because they were basically a semi-auto AK-47 ... The original AK-47 made in 1940's not new ones or an AKM which blows an AK-47 away in every aspect.

 

An AKM can be accurate up to 1000M

 

400 is not slightly more than 1000

 

The only way you would think an SKS is good is if you've never used one other than in a videogame that made it super accurate and do more damage because it is a semi-auto rifle.

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Id rather have a well balanced thought out game. If you want super realistic why arnt you playing arma or something? My fun would be greatly diminished if some camping prick could pick me off from 500m with one shot from an m4 while im getting a drink of water as a newspawn.

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Id rather have a well balanced thought out game. If you want super realistic why arnt you playing arma or something? My fun would be greatly diminished if some camping prick could pick me off from 500m with one shot from an m4 while im getting a drink of water as a newspawn.

 

Super realistic is well balanced.

 

Real life balances itself and even then of course some weapons will be deemed overpowered but then thats when you "balance" that weapon by adjusting its spawn chances not by making it accurate up to 40 feet,

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