Why The Distinction Between Civilian/Military Weapons Is Bad, And You Should Feel Bad

[eleventhavenue 204]

I must praise you americans for your composure, the way he just said ´´Triple Threat´´ without wavering... :D

 

I do think that LMG's certainly could have a place in DayZ. Unless it's (for the game scope) some ridicilous weapon like a 500 kg air-dropped bomb or a 9M113 launcher. I think the biggest question when adding weapons should be ´´Will it fit the setting?´´, not ´´Will it be OP?´´ I don't really think a weapon truly can be OP in a game like DayZ.

But if LMG's are coming, I would like a weight-based encumberance system coming as well, if nothing else because such a system would impact potential LMG users a lot.

[pacific_coast 632]

relevant?

[Window Licker 504]

Any weapon (be it an M107, PKM, AKM, or Red Ryder) can be included, inasmuch as it is properly balanced by rarity, maintenance requirements, encumbrance, and ammo/magazine rarity. So why would we limit the scope of potential weaponry in DayZ?

Yeah I stopped reading here not because I'm lazy... but I can't think of a way to finish that sentence. But mostly because this is something I really agree with you on, my big question would be "can they make that item balance properly?" for this to happen they need to consider server hopper's and people who use their servers as their own personal loot farms.

[Katana67 2907]

Yeah I stopped reading here not because I'm lazy... but I can't think of a way to finish that sentence. But mostly because this is something I really agree with you on, my big question would be "can they make that item balance properly?" for this to happen they need to consider server hopper's and people who use their servers as their own personal loot farms.

 

Right, that's all part of it. It's nothing to do with the weapon, but how it's implemented. Server hopping is a contributing factor in discouraging overall rarity.

 

The reason (even if they don't know it) that people had an issue with the M107, DMR, AS50, etc. was that these weapons were relatively easy to find, re-arm, didn't encumber the player, and had ZERO maintenance requirement. They were common occurrences for these reasons. However, they were also common occurrences (like you say) due to the ease of transference from server to server, in addition to the ability to store these items server-side. 

 

None of these issues is at fault, nor is the weapon itself. But combined, it creates a situation which is consequence-less. That's where I take the stance that you can put whatever you want in the game, inasmuch as there is a consequence (or series of consequence) which justifies the power of said inclusion.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

Well written post......I don't feel bad

[odin_lowe 3686]

Even if everyone is opposed to it, I would love a P90... Favorite weapon in the world. If we get mods or an editor I'll probably make it if possible. Nice post. :thumbsup:

[Valadain 270]

Maybe hes thinking in terms of any weapon can kill with one hit period if the person knows how to use it right.

 

Automatic weapons aren't designed specifically to kill better, they are designed with a tactical advantage in mind. Namely, suppressing fire. Keep the enemy from shooting back and in a controlled position. Keep them from flanking while you flank.

 

The US military has mostly gone from fully automatic to three round burst fire. Why? Because fully automatic fire doesn't provide much advantage and you can only carry so many bullets. People are worrying over rarity, when there's no weight or exhaustion mechanics yet. If they implement that right as well as proper damage from bullets, it really won't matter much what gun you have as long as you are good with it. You aren't going to run around with a thousand rounds of saw ammo on you. You are going to walk, and huff, and puff, and probably get shot trying to get wherever you are going. Anti-Material? Yeah, not carrying ten magazines of .50 on you either. Sure you'll get, say, a dozen nice and painful shots. Then you have an expensive club for a weapon.

 

So basically, until you get up to mounted weaponry, where you can basically just evaporate both a target and all cover near the target, skill wins.

[agouti 105]

 

 

They need to put these in than if there going to do anything. Plus its Terkish made so its not to fare fetched.

 

 

It's called a drilling and the germans have been making them for centuries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_gun

 

Nubs.

Edited March 20, 2014 by agouti

[Katana67 2907]

Even if everyone is opposed to it, I would love a P90... Favorite weapon in the world. If we get mods or an editor I'll probably make it if possible. Nice post. :thumbsup:

 

Just as long as 5.7x28mm is hard to find and P90 mags are even harder to find! Not to mention tough to maintain. All for it.

[Sebidee 167]

This is where the American influence comes in to play. According to many forumites an M16 is as essential a household object as a toaster, and falls firmly into the area of 'civilian' weapons.

[Weedz 1105]

This is where the American influence comes in to play. According to many forumites an M16 is as essential a household object as a toaster, and falls firmly into the area of 'civilian' weapons.

That's weird considering it is illegal for anyone to own a fully automatic weapon in america. Especially civilians.

 

 

 

 

And sorry OP but I'm not going to feel bad because you can't understand that military weapons are the ones that spawn in military buildings and civilian weapons are ones that spawn in barn and residential buildings and try to claim that everything is a military weapon because someone might have used it at one point 75 years ago in some random countries military but are now widely used civilian hunting and home defense weapons.

 

Also when people complain about military weapons in DayZ they aren't talking about M4s and LMGs they are talking about the kids who think it's fun to camp on top of a hill with a sniper rifle for 6 hours straight so they can shoot 3 people. That's not a survival game.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Weedz

[Deathlove 2286]

This is where the American influence comes in to play. According to many forumites an M16 is as essential a household object as a toaster, and falls firmly into the area of 'civilian' weapons.

[Valadain 270]

This is where the American influence comes in to play. According to many forumites an M16 is as essential a household object as a toaster, and falls firmly into the area of 'civilian' weapons.

 

It would not be the M16 as that is expensive as heck here and generally a pain to buy. The AR 15, however, is the semi-automatic counterpart and will look to anyone pretty indistinguishable from "military" weapons and is extremely popular, yes.

 

You realize that the whole premise of this game entirely justifies the mentality you are mocking. 

[Valadain 270]

That's weird considering it is illegal for anyone to own a fully automatic weapon in america. Especially civilians.

 

 

 

 

And sorry OP but I'm not going to feel bad because you can't understand that military weapons are the ones that spawn in military buildings and civilian weapons are ones that spawn in barn and residential buildings and try to claim that everything is a military weapon because someone might have used it at one point 75 years ago in the military. Also DayZ hasn't even existed for 2 years yet.

 

That actually isn't quite true. You can own an M16 in the US, it is just going to cost a ton of money and a whole lot of red-tape.

[Katana67 2907]

That's weird considering it is illegal for anyone to own a fully automatic weapon in america. Especially civilians.

 

And sorry OP but I'm not going to feel bad because you are to dumb to know that military weapons are the ones that spawn in military buildings and civilian weapons are ones that spawn in barn and residential buildings and try to claim that everything is a military weapon because someone might have used it at one point 75 years ago in the military. Also DayZ hasn't even existed for 2 years yet.

 

Well, you're wrong on the first point. In the United States, you have to register your Class III weapon (including automatic weapons) with the ATF, get a tax stamp, and pay upwards of 10-60k USD and you can own an automatic weapon as a civilian.

 

And, give it one month, and DayZ will have existed for two years. April 2012 is when I started playing. Sorry, just the facts.

 

Not saying that every weapon is a military weapon. I'm saying that the titles ARE IRRELEVANT.

[OrLoK 16188]

Hello there

 

To me the distinction between Civilian and Military weapons is as one of the above posters said.

 

Military is still in use or recent

 

Civilian is either out of service or never widely adopted by he military.

 

Obviously this does not cover every eventuality.

 

Id like to see more civ style weapons as in my mind it fits the DAYZ ethos better. If I want millions of guns I play Arma. Thats just how I think. Not necessarily God given truth handed down on a stone tablet, just how I feel.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

 

EDIT: I just want to clarify, when we use these terms I think we ALL know what we mean, the same with clip or mag.

Edited March 20, 2014 by orlok

[pacific_coast 632]

winchester/IBZ 12 ga = civilian

 

m4a1 = military

 

akm = military

 

sporter 22 = civilian

 

ect ect ect

[Vladimir Ilyich Lenin 2]

I want a Red Ryder in DayZ now. That would be such a novelty gun, and probably could trick people into thinking you are armed.

[Weedz 1105]

 

winchester/IBZ 12 ga = civilian

 

m4a1 = military

 

akm = military

 

sporter 22 = civilian

 

ect ect ect

Yep not that hard. OP is the only one I've ever encountered who is confused by what is a civ or military weapon in the game.

 

 

I want a Red Ryder in DayZ now. That would be such a novelty gun, and probably could trick people into thinking you are armed.

People don't care if you're armed or not in DayZ

Edited March 20, 2014 by Weedz

[Deathlove 2286]

I want a Red Ryder in DayZ now. That would be such a novelty gun, and probably could trick people into thinking you are armed.

 

CLASSIC! xD

[pacific_coast 632]

I want a Red Ryder in DayZ now. That would be such a novelty gun, and probably could trick people into thinking you are armed.

lol @ doublepost deathlove

[Deathlove 2286]

lol @ doublepost deathlove

How could anyone not think this?! XD

[Vladimir Ilyich Lenin 2]

 

CLASSIC! xD

DayZ wants to incorporate Realism right? Imagine getting shot in the eye by a BB gun... Ahaha. Actually, they could then add Eye Patches!!!

Edited March 20, 2014 by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[hells high 676]

I'm saying that it's all in how you use the weapon, not solely in what the weapon is. They are both capable of killing another player, based upon how they're used. I can take an AKM-wielding player out with a Mosin-Nagant.

 

An assault rifle has strengths and weaknesses, a bolt-action has strengths and weaknesses as well. It's up to the player/operator to exploit these strengths or not.

 

The innate properties of the weapon are not the sole determinant in how effective it is.

 

Of course, a weapon is just a tool and its up to the user. However I'm sure its not lost on you as to why the world's militaries use modern, high powered assault rifles instead of bolt action rifles.

[Sebidee 167]

 

That's actually my favourite episode of family guy :) it's all true!

 

EDIT; I've already replayed the clip 3 times

Edited March 20, 2014 by Sebidee