Why Private Hives should be limited when they become available

[oregonized 673]

I already reported him and provided a link to this thread on the report. I even said "It gets exciting on page 4".

A wasted report and a waste of moderator time.  Just because you don't like something someone has to say and you egg them on in an attempt to get a negative response kind of makes any report you make invalid and might get yourself a warning/suspension.   ;)

[antonioajc 500]

A wasted report and a waste of moderator time.  Just because you don't like something someone has to say and you egg them on in an attempt to get a negative response kind of makes any report you make invalid and might get yourself a warning/suspension.   ;)

:rolleyes: And how do you know that?

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

I already reported him and provided a link to this thread on the report. I even said "It gets exciting on page 4".

I'd be fine if he had any actual points for private hives that do this kind of stuff. He is literally supporting servers that remove all challenge out of the game with one statement-

 

"You can't tell people how to play or how to run their server they spent their hard-earned moneys on!"

 

Suuuure. Except for the fact that having players spawn in with sniper rifles and allowing them to find a helicopter every 5 meters spits on the whole point of the game...

 

Oh, throw in the fact that donator incentives can screw other players over. Having it so you can give $25 for a spawn loadout with an assault rifle and tons of steaks allows players with more real life dough to have advantages over players with less real life dough, which isn't fair.

 

Admin abuse becomes a problem, too, when the staff can get rid of another player who bests them in combat with a simple ban.

 

Overall, it isn't a fun experience.

[Capo 323]

Are you so immature that you can't handle being proven wrong?  

 

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

He made no points worth noting and looked to be crying because some people had donor incentives or more vehicles on the map.  Have you even playd the mod lately?  I haven't played on any servers with donor incentives or any ridiculous shit like you guys claim.  Oh, that's right... you chose to play on those servers, then cry about it on the forums.

 

Are you so immature that you can't handle being proven wrong that you have to resort to insulting my name?  Yes, let's talk about things that don't help your cause shall we.

How can you tell that a person is "crying" when they are typing out a coherent response on a keyboard.

 

You seem to belittle anyone who thinks that pay2win donator incentives are something that we shouldn't have in DayZ is just a crybaby and needs to go on another server.

 

Though, what is the point with replying to you anymore? We're just feeding the fire. You're obviously too stubborn to acknowledge any of our points. You are wrapped around your shallow defense, all cozy. There is no getting you off of that.

 

Also, for someone who says we are "crying" about this, you do seem to respond to this thread VERY quickly. For someone who apparently doesn't care and thinks we are just a bunch of crybabies without any points other then our unmanly tears, you have been spending an awful lot of time in this thread, despite doing nothing but replying to people and telling them to stop their "QQ".

[oregonized 673]

I wasn't questioning your intelligence or calling into question your sexual orientation. I was calling you out for a number of very mean-spirited posts you've been making lately, far worse than any other refular poster that doesn't have the grammar or spelling of an angry teenager, meaning that I feel it's at least worth pointing out in the hopes you'll knock off all the ad hominem and venomous snipes.

Do I get overly aggressive at times? Sure. But you hhave successfully derailed a number of conversations into flaming, and I'm not sure if that's your goal.

Back on track - One thing I hate about private servers is admin abuse. As Acadia said, Rust is almost exclusively private servers. I've had to build up a number of characters because I seem to inevitably do something to piss off an admin, i.e. not kiss his ass. This means I either get raided because the admin and his friends get unlimited C4 -somehow-, or I shoot the admin in the face and get kicked.

I know it's a bias, so I don't want to make it the sole basis of my argument, but I've yet to play any non traditonal FPS games with private servers and active admins who didn't arbitrarily kick / ban people simply because they felt like it. Hell, every DayZ server had this happeninf until BI basically made it against the rules.

And sadly, Rust already has official servers that are essentially unplayable because they're so full of people who don't give two fucks because their "real" character is on one of the private servers.

You comment about me making insulting comments to people then continue and insult me at the same time.  This is all while you are telling me to work on my personal insecurities and that I don't have to resort to belittling people.  Classic stuff, by the way.

 

So what was that you said about ad hominem attacks and venomous snipes?

 

Yes, admin abuse sucks but there is a wonderful thing called choice, which allows you to choose a different server that better suits your taste. It's amazing, I know.

[Capo 323]

You comment about me making insulting comments to people then continue and insult me at the same time.  This is all while you are telling me to work on my personal insecurities and that I don't have to resort to belittling people.  Classic stuff, by the way.

 

So what was that you said about ad hominem attacks and venomous snipes?

 

Yes, admin abuse sucks but there is a wonderful thing called choice, which allows you to choose a different server that better suits your taste. It's amazing, I know.

 

ignore the derailing, and look at my picture, evidence has been provided. 

[oregonized 673]

I'd be fine if he had any actual points for private hives that do this kind of stuff. He is literally supporting servers that remove all challenge out of the game with one statement-

 

"You can't tell people how to play or how to run their server they spent their hard-earned moneys on!"

 

Suuuure. Except for the fact that having players spawn in with sniper rifles and allowing them to find a helicopter every 5 meters spits on the whole point of the game...

 

Oh, throw in the fact that donator incentives can screw other players over. Having it so you can give $25 for a spawn loadout with an assault rifle and tons of steaks allows players with more real life dough to have advantages over players with less real life dough, which isn't fair.

 

Admin abuse becomes a problem, too, when the staff can get rid of another player who bests them in combat with a simple ban.

 

Overall, it isn't a fun experience.

I love how you completely ignore the fact that you do NOT have to play on those type of servers.  

 

 

What is the point you are trying to prove with this picture, other than you didn't use any type of filter?

[Demoth 366]

Yes, admin abuse sucks but there is a wonderful thing called choice, which allows you to choose a different server that better suits your taste. It's amazing, I know.

It's also amazing when you build up a character with time and energy only to have a sore loser toss your progress out because they couldn't stand losing to you.

There have been a lot of good arguments for and against private hives. There have also been some good citations on how private servers harmed people who wanted to play on vanilla servers.

If you wish to continue your alternation between being passive aggressive and overly aggressive, fine. I'll leave you to continue your debate techniques no matter how distasteful I find them. I'm not a mod, so I don't have the power to alter your tone, though I was hoping appealing towards basically saying "you type like someone intelligent so please stop being mean" would work.

[Esolu 320]

Preach brother, preach.

Peach brother, peach.

[antonioajc 500]

 

 

What is the point you are trying to prove with this picture, other than you didn't use any type of filter?

He's just showing how shitty DayZ has become on those servers. Did you even read the titles? I think you're just going to ignore whatever piece of evidence we give to you and pull out any excuse out of your ass. We might as well show you a puppy and you'll tell us how mediocre it looks and make up flaws. Hell, would you even go so far as to stab it to show how we don't need it?

Edited March 9, 2014 by AntonioAJC

[Inception. 9443]

He's just showing how shitty DayZ has become on those servers. Did you even read the titles? I think you're just going to ignore whatever piece of evidence we give to you and pull out any excuse out of your ass. We might as well show you a puppy and you'll tell us how mediocre it looks and make up flaws. Hell, would you even go so far as to stab it?

 

Please don't respond to other users aggressively; if you have a problem with the posts of another user, please only report it and don't reply like that.

Same goes with you OR3GONIZ3D, and the rest of you. Please be nice.

[antonioajc 500]

Please don't respond to other users aggressively; if you have a problem with the posts of another user, please only report it and don't reply like that.

Same goes with you OR3GONIZ3D, and the rest of you. Please be nice.

Yes, sir/madam.

 

As I was saying before the thread got blasted off the rails and over the bridge, Insane Aradia is just showing his/her concern about how the private hive will impact DayZ's population and is showing ways to limit it and cause less damage, if there is any. What I think is that there are going to be CoD servers, but these would be a private hive, meaning that they can do whatever they like on it. Just like on real life, the government can't alter private property and set up rules on it, because the land is owned by someone else.

Edited March 9, 2014 by AntonioAJC

[oregonized 673]

It's also amazing when you build up a character with time and energy only to have a sore loser toss your progress out because they couldn't stand losing to you.

 

Yes, that sucks but what can you do besides move on to a different server?  There are still plenty of choices and you will find that perfect fit at some point.

 

Losing hope after a couple of bad experiences doesn't mean every server is that way or that you need to cry about it on the forums.

 

 

He's just showing how shitty DayZ has become on those servers. Did you even read the titles? I think you're just going to ignore whatever piece of evidence we give to you and pull out any excuse out of your ass. We might as well show you a puppy and you'll tell us how mediocre it looks and make up flaws. Hell, would you even go so far as to stab it to show how we don't need it?

I read the titles and that is where the part I commented about the lack of using the filter comes into play.  

 

Now you can go ahead and continue your shenanigans because you dislike what I have to say, but that only makes YOU look bad.

[Inception. 9443]

Just responding him the way he responds at us.

 

We actually have a rule for users that break rules just because others do. 

[antonioajc 500]

We actually have a rule for users that break rules just because others do. 

Sorry, as I said earlier, I'm half-asleep here.

[Capo 323]

What is the point you are trying to prove with this picture, other than you didn't use any type of filter?

 

 

I'm glad you asked, while the SA has been out for over three months, I would still call that picture an accurate representation of an Australian server search with a 210 ping filter from about June last year, and as you can see, EVERY server is some variation on extra vehicles/spawn with guns. 

 

That being said, what filter set would you use? say, lower the ping filter obviously, I'm not going to play with 200 ping, and of course hide Epoch, breaking point (mods in general) - then we end up with - 

 

basically the same thing, but there must be SOME vanilla public hive servers with people in them, right? RIGHT?

 

[Capo 323]

But then of course, who plays video games at 5;15 on a sunday afternoon?

Edited March 9, 2014 by Capo

[Demoth 366]

Losing hope after a couple of bad experiences doesn't mean every server is that way or that you need to cry about it on the forums.

Not crying, and that's not necessary. It has also been more than a "few" experiences.

Like I said earlier, even these public hives that had active admins routinely kicked people for any BS reason they felt like. Even the server my old clan hosts had one person who lost his admin privileges because he was kicking for stupid reasons, but ONLY after BI started to enforce their rules, leading me to believe this would have continued if not for a 3rd party threatening to intervene.

Edit - and to reiterate, when you make those little comments about "crying", you're still coming across as someone trying to slide in little jabs here and there. Again, if your goal is to goad people into flaming. So please don't act surprised when people respond negatively.

And despite writing this, I'm still doing it in a polite manner and without disrespect. I'm not doing it to show "I'm better than you", but because reading more threads tonight, I've seen you post free of any hint of an insult. I'd like to see more so we can hopefully have an actually constructive debate.

We can disagree and never reach an agreement, but this is also about a video game. There is no reason anyone should be taking any threads as a personal insult.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Demoth

[oregonized 673]

I'm glad you asked, while the SA has been out for over three months, I would still call that picture an accurate representation of an Australian server search with a 210 ping filter from about June last year, and as you can see, EVERY server is some variation on extra vehicles/spawn with guns. 

 

That being said, what filter set would you use? say, lower the ping filter obviously, I'm not going to play with 200 ping, and of course hide Epoch, breaking point (mods in general) - then we end up with - 

 

See the part in red.  There is obviously going to be a lot less choices for your area.  If you REALLY have such a huge problem with the choices, please go rent your own server and run it your way.  If you can't afford $20-$25 per month to run a DayZ mod server, I think you have bigger problems to worry about.  I am not trying to be a dick about it, but there is nothing complaining is going to get done about how majority of players prefer playing in a way that you do not.

[oregonized 673]

Like I said earlier, even these public hives that had active admins routinely kicked people for any BS reason they felt like. Even the server my old clan hosts had one person who lost his admin privileges because he was kicking for stupid reasons, but ONLY after BI started to enforce their rules, leading me to believe this would have continued if not for a 3rd party threatening to intervene.

Well, if you or anyone else would like to play on a server with very minimal mods just send me a private message for the info.  

 

You spawn with nothing but a map and flashlight.  There are up to 500 vehicles on the map at once, keymaster mod so you only need one key for all of your vehicles, roaming AI, and AI missions.  It's not completely vanilla, but you won't be finding vehicles every 5 meters or spawning with a full arsenal.  The guy who runs the server is a friend and has a "no admin intervention" rule.  Even if you die or lose something because of a bug or server restart, tough shit.

[Demoth 366]

See the part in red. There is obviously going to be a lot less choices for your area. If you REALLY have such a huge problem with the choices, please go rent your own server and run it your way. If you can't afford $20-$25 per month to run a DayZ mod server, I think you have bigger problems to worry about. I am not trying to be a dick about it, but there is nothing complaining is going to get done about how majority of players prefer playing in a way that you do not.

The other point we are trying to make, successfully or not, is making our own private server still doesn't solve one of the problems; player diversity. When you run a private server you eventually get to know everyone and you don't get that X factor of running into random people all the time.

I played Ragnarok Online on a friend's private server for a couple of months. Aftet a couple of weeks, I pretty much knew all 300 players and how they played, i.e. if they were hostile or friendly. Made the PvP factor very boring.

[Capo 323]

See the part in red.  There is obviously going to be a lot less choices for your area.  If you REALLY have such a huge problem with the choices, please go rent your own server and run it your way.  If you can't afford $20-$25 per month to run a DayZ mod server, I think you have bigger problems to worry about.  I am not trying to be a dick about it, but there is nothing complaining is going to get done about how majority of players prefer playing in a way that you do not.

 

Well that's not entirely true, or fair. Australians and New Zealanders make up a large portion of the community, as can be seen from the unfiltered pictures there are still plenty of people playing the mod or it's derivatives.

 

Secondly, if you live in an area that's lucky enough to have a large variety of servers, that's great for you, but it doesn't help me, or indeed any of the people in this thread (or any of the other similar threads) who have actively stated they had the same problem. 

It's like saying, "wall glitching isn't a priority", because so far, you haven't been shot through a wall. 

 

 

Making your concerns known is the only way to get something done about them, I don't know if the majority of players enjoy that playstyle, or rather if they're just joining the server that actually has people in it, and neither do you. Because, as you can see, it doesn't look like there was ever any choice in the matter, at least in my area. 

[Meenos 47]

agreed

[oregonized 673]

-snip-

Well, if you have suggestions for the game, there is a section of the forum reserved for them.  Just throwing that out there for those who want to make suggestions on how the standalone should be in comparison to the mod.