More Effective, Less Frustrating, Hopper/Logger Solution

[Solopopo 330]

Ok ill forget the mountains of flawed logic and contridiction to earlier posts and just state the obvious then for about the 10th time if you dont want server hopping to happen why do you wish to implement a system that is easier to server hop than the current one,

 

Forget reading or responding to anything else i have said just make a logical explanation for that statement....

Still haven't read a word you've said. Thanks for the bumps though. 

[Solopopo 330]

No, I unfortunately read all of it. You're not playing at a disadvantage when you refuse to server hop. Just because someone has more bullets than you doesn't mean they're any harder to kill. I am all for a better system than we currently have implemented, trust me. It definitely has its weaknesses. I don't like being forced to wait x numbers of minutes because I accidentally clicked a server one above or below my intended target. Ah well.

 

In the meantime, it is what it is. I'm sure something more effective will eventually be put in-game. But this is not it.

Then this would be a better example of what's been happening: over-complicating everything, which Ghostflux already pointed out. I'm doing it if others are doing it. How does this simple message get missed? You really just wrote a fucking paragraph because I used the word "advantage." Jesus Christ. And it is an advantage in terms of time.

 

I'm sure they will change it eventually. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[doctorbadsign 645]

I am not trying to justify myself. That's what the "unapologetic" in "unapologetic server hopper" means. Do I enjoy the benefit of server hopping? Yes, that is why I do it first and foremost. That is why any player does it.

 

Also, it does get me into the action quicker, and that part I like. However, I don't like the negative consequences it has on the game. I would prefer if it were not impossible, so I will contribute what little I can in an effort to stop it, but I will do it unapologetically until it is stopped. 

 

What is so difficult to understand? Is it really that hard?

 

Do I like cigarettes? Yes. Do I like that I smoke cigarettes? No. 

 

 

Your position is so incredibly inconsistent, its ridiculous.

 

I agree with the sentiment that server hopping has negative consequences on the game, and on that principle I do not do it. Where you fall down is you fail to live up to your standards and principles.

 

Don't kid yourself, you are not helping to stop it by doing it.

 

And you are trying to apologize for it, that's where all this "I'm helping to make the game better" bullshit comes from. You just said it, you do it because you enjoy the benefits of it, first and foremost. Stop trying to make excuses for it.

 

People like you ruin the game for every legit player out there plus you make it difficult for developers to see what loot needs balancing and where etc, you have no excuse.

[Solopopo 330]

Your position is so incredibly inconsistent, its ridiculous.

 

I agree with the sentiment that server hopping has negative consequences on the game, and on that principle I do not do it. Where you fall down is you fail to live up to your standards and principles.

 

Don't kid yourself, you are not helping to stop it by doing it.

 

And you are trying to apologize for it, that's where all this "I'm helping to make the game better" bullshit comes from. You just said it, you do it because you enjoy the benefits of it, first and foremost. Stop trying to make excuses for it.

 

People like you ruin the game for every legit player out there plus you make it difficult for developers to see what loot needs balancing and where etc, you have no excuse.

Jesus Christ dude are you shitting me with this? Just stop. I don't care why you think I do it. I do it. I post about it. Fuck you. Stop with these fucking way off topic why I server hop bullshit posts. I don't fucking care anymore. 

 

I'm not responding to bullshit like this anymore. If you post about me, and not the discussion, you're being ignored. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[doctorbadsign 645]

Jesus Christ dude are you shitting me with this? Just stop. I don't care why you think I do it. I do it. Fuck you. Stop with these fucking way off topic why I server hop bullshit posts. I don't fucking care anymore. 

 

The last resort of someone with no merit, justification or decent argument. To throw their toys on the floor and shout insults (edit: nice of you to remove the part where you called me a retard ;) ).

 

None of this is off topic, you made a suggestion that sounded like a server hopper wanting to make things easier for themselves, I just made things clearer by pointing out that this was the case by showing people you are a self-proclaimed server hopper.

 

Now go back to server hopping and enjoy all the loot you didn't earn in all that action that you just teleported into.

Edited February 13, 2014 by DoctorBadSign

[Grimey Rick 3417]

The last resort of someone with no merit, justification or decent argument. To throw their toys on the floor and shout insults (edit: nice of you to remove the part where you called me a retard ;) ).

 

None of this is off topic, you made a suggestion that sounded like a server hopper wanting to make things easier for themselves, I just made things clearer by pointing out that this was the case by showing people you are a self-proclaimed server hopper.

 

Now go back to server hopping and enjoy all the loot you didn't earn in all that action that you just teleported into.

 

[Solopopo 330]

The last resort of someone with no merit, justification or decent argument. To throw their toys on the floor and shout insults (edit: nice of you to remove the part where you called me a retard ;) ).

 

None of this is off topic, you made a suggestion that sounded like a server hopper wanting to make things easier for themselves, I just made things clearer by pointing out that this was the case by showing people you are a self-proclaimed server hopper.

 

Now go back to server hopping and enjoy all the loot you didn't earn in all that action that you just teleported into.

You are retarded. It was made clear from the start that I server hop.

 

What a waste of time this whole thing was. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[Magaz97 41]

You say this, yet your're feeding the thread yourself. I'm really becoming disgusted with this community right now. This is what comprises the SA community? Children who can't spell or debate worth a damn? Really just sad. The majority of people who have posted in this thread are actually offended by server hopping, as if it were some mortal sin. I actually feel bad about myself for playing SA now. 

Ooh.. right in the irony.

[doctorbadsign 645]

You are retarded. It was made clear from the start that I server hop.

 

What a waste of time this whole thing was. 

 

Thanks, I'll leave it unsaid what I have in mind to respond to that with out of respect for the forum rules :)

[Mdogg2005 447]

The only people who bitch and moan about this system are server hopper and combat logger. Really. That's what it is. Normal player will never get it by the timer, ever. So nice try op, but no. It's perfectly fine.

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I've been hit with the timer on several occasions.  Join a server with an admin who only wants his clan in that auto kicks people without the tag?  Boom.  Timer.  Server disconnects or times out and you need to rejoin it or another one?  Boom timer.  Friends log in so  you go to switch to your hardcore character to play with them?  BOOM TIMER.

[soulfirez 901]

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I've been hit with the timer on several occasions.  Join a server with an admin who only wants his clan in that auto kicks people without the tag?  Boom.  Timer.  Server disconnects or times out and you need to rejoin it or another one?  Boom timer.  Friends log in so  you go to switch to your hardcore character to play with them?  BOOM TIMER.

No one is debating the system we have now is far from perfect i havent read one post that suggested such...

 

On the other hand many people have stated even with its flaws its far better than what has been suggested by the OP...

 

A man who happily ignores any statement that shows the holes in his system is happy to throw insults but attempts to take some mock moral high ground when he is paid in kind. He has entered no debate here at all, has changed his position on reason so many times i have lost count.

 

When asked to explain how its better when pointed out the flaws stamps his feet in a manner can only be described as childish and says wont answer to you.

 

Has exclaimed disgust at a community who have taken offence to his idea and i ask what grounds does a man who is openly exploiting trying to premote a system that only benefits his style of play have to be disgusted in us if he looked in the mirror the disgust should be obvious to him

[pinealogik 3]

This thread is shit, just let it die.

[doctorbadsign 645]

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I've been hit with the timer on several occasions.  Join a server with an admin who only wants his clan in that auto kicks people without the tag?  Boom.  Timer.  Server disconnects or times out and you need to rejoin it or another one?  Boom timer.  Friends log in so  you go to switch to your hardcore character to play with them?  BOOM TIMER.

 

Yeah I've been hit with the timer as a legit player too for similar reasons.

 

Having said that, I happily accept it.

 

It's just a shame that it won't stop people like the OP from server hopping :/

[Ghostflux 100]

 

I've been hit with the timer on several occasions.  Join a server with an admin who only wants his clan in that auto kicks people without the tag?  Boom.  Timer.  Server disconnects or times out and you need to rejoin it or another one?  Boom timer.  Friends log in so  you go to switch to your hardcore character to play with them?  BOOM TIMER.

I would suggest that you make it a habit of joining official servers near your country rather than clan servers that may be incorrectly configured, or badly managed.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Ghostflux

[mgc 92]

Lets get our terminology straight:

-Serverhoppers are players that switch servers to get good loot fast.

-Players that switch for any other reason (pvp, out of batteries, whatever), just switch.

 

There are several ways to discourage hoppers:

-Make loot spawn randomly. Time, place, grade and type should all vary. This is imo the best solution.

 

-Protect high tier spawns with a no-spawn bubble as an exersice in protecting aboveground bases against ghosting. (this is a tricky 1)

 

-Larger anti-hopper time buffer: After the mandatory 5 min cd (anti player ghosting), start a 15 min cd in which you can only pick up the most basic items. (food, drink, bandages, melee weapons) You can opt not to spawn untill the second timer also runs out.

 

-When switching servers, instead of spawning where you were, you spawn somewhere on the northern or western edge of the map. (confusing but effective)

 

Serverhopping is a good way to test items and countermeasures. (By all means, break the game now rather than later)

Its also a good way to get a quick edge over those that (already) play legit.

Shame on you if you hop for the second reason.

[Solopopo 330]

Yeah I've been hit with the timer as a legit player too for similar reasons.

 

Having said that, I happily accept it.

 

It's just a shame that it won't stop people like the OP from server hopping :/

That's why I made this thread to begin with. It isn't stopping people from server hopping. Then I got crucified, mostly by you, for being honest about my own server hopping. Thanks for contributing. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[doctorbadsign 645]

That's why I made the post to begin with. It isn't stopping people from server hopping. Than I got crucified for being honest about my own server hopping. 

 

Because your suggestion would make it easier for you to server hop. You appear not to want the timer when you join a server.

 

A server hopper that wants to get rid of the timer upon joining a server gets crucified. Like that wasn't going to happen.

[Solopopo 330]

Because your suggestion would make it easier for you to server hop. You appear not to want the timer when you join a server.

 

A server hopper that wants to get rid of the timer upon joining a server gets crucified. Like that wasn't going to happen.

No, that shouldn't happen, when my intention from the start was suggesting an alternative that in my opinion would work better at stopping server hopping. You made baseless assumptions. You disagreed with the idea, and then went on to make everything all about me and my "reasons" which are completely irrelevant to the topic, as if you have a personal vendetta against server hoppers. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[slivniku@gmail.com 93]

your suggestion makes hopping easier (as many have pointed out but you chose to ignore them) - try making a suggestion that would at least in theory improve things, like some others have done in this thread.

 

Interestingly enough, until reading this thread, I though they removed the timer; last 3 evenings playing I never received the timer, although yesterday the server would restart just about every 30 mins - almost felt like a hopper >:(

[Solopopo 330]

your suggestion makes hopping easier (as many have pointed out but you chose to ignore them) - try making a suggestion that would at least in theory improve things, like some others have done in this thread.

 

Interestingly enough, until reading this thread, I though they removed the timer; last 3 evenings playing I never received the timer, although yesterday the server would restart just about every 30 mins - almost felt like a hopper > :(

It may make the act of hopping easier, but it will not make finding loot easier. Loot is being taken at the same rate it always has been by hoppers, because it only takes one hop into a fresh server. Also, this thread wasn't soley about server hopping. It was more about combat logging and addressing it in a way that could simultaneously address server hopping. The current system is not working to stop hoppers swiping loot and occasionally it doesn't stop combat logging. So to say my idea would make things worse doesn't make any sense. It would serve to make hopping more difficult, and dangerous instead of just more annoying. 

 

My main point I was trying to make is that I think in game penalty timers are better than out of game penalty timers. Somewhere that got completely forgotten, or completely missed. Oh yeah I remember, it was when I mentioned that I myself am a server hopper and no one could get over it, despite the fact that it would make sense for a server hopper to be well versed on the subject of server hopping. 

Edited February 13, 2014 by Solopopo

[excitable1 156]

This is Alpha. I feel obligated to exploit the game in whatever way possible, without cheating/hacking. That is our job as alpha testers: to make a problem prevalent until it recieves enough attention to be changed. And in the mean time I can benefit from that  :D You don't have to, that's your choice, but maintaining some lofty notion of gaming honor just doesn't seem worthwile to me, especially in the unforgiving world of DayZ

 

 

 

and yes... gaming DOES have honor.

 

there are those that CHOOSE to play within the boundaries of the game.

 

then there are those who CHOOSE to use exploits and glitches to get a advantage over others.

 

from what i can see, your idea makes it easier for you to server hop.

Edited February 13, 2014 by excitable1

[Grimey Rick 3417]

No, that shouldn't happen, when my intention from the start was suggesting an alternative that in my opinion would work better at stopping server hopping. You made baseless assumptions. You disagreed with the idea, and then went on to make everything all about me and my "reasons" which are completely irrelevant to the topic, as if you have a personal vendetta against server hoppers. 

 

Bro, you're either a server-hopper or stupid. I'm going to go with the former since, from your posts that I've read, you seem to be fairly intelligent. However, creating a thread with a "solution" to eliminate server hopping that actually promotes server-hopping, coupled with the fact that you've blatantly admitted to server-hopping and then arguing you're just trying to "fix" the system is making me lean towards the latter.

 

EDIT: Nah, I just think you want to server hop. <3

Edited February 13, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[slivniku@gmail.com 93]

Don't know about the hopping stuff but as far as the log out timer goes, your right, this one doesn't do its job. The player element, the human being connected to that char is still gone instantly when they hit escape. All chance for interaction was lost completely, not like that at all on the mod. That timer (while not alt f4 proof) does the job much better because I can put them into combat and stop the logout attempt outright. 

 

Now I know they found it to be exploitable in private testing, that doesn't mean that they should just give up. And use a system that breaks immersion, doesn't do its job, and is really only offering a free yolo kill on a hopper IF your quick enough to get there. I realluy really hope the devs put some serious time in re-inventing the combat log system, and with what we have now we know its poss to keep a player toon in game and have the server perform a count. So whats wrong with having a live logout, then using the char remains in server as an alt F4/DC safety net? :)

While I agree it limited interaction the first coule of days, but I find people don't really combat-log anymore, so interaction is now again there...

[excitable1 156]

It may make the act of hopping easier, but it will not make finding loot easier. Loot is being taken at the same rate it always has been by hoppers, because it only takes one hop into a fresh server. Also, this thread wasn't soley about server hopping. It was more about combat logging and addressing it in a way that could simultaneously address server hopping.

 

love it....you finally admitted it would make it easier.

 

[doctorbadsign 645]

No, that shouldn't happen, when my intention from the start was suggesting an alternative that in my opinion would work better at stopping server hopping. You made baseless assumptions. You disagreed with the idea, and then went on to make everything all about me and my "reasons" which are completely irrelevant to the topic, as if you have a personal vendetta against server hoppers. 

 

How would it work better to stop server hopping?

 

You loot Balota, go into the trees, log out all the while being able to see who is coming so you can't be killed unexpectedly, hop to a different server and repeat.

 

How does that not make it easier for you? You can stand up to end the timer if you see anyone, thus meaning that you can get away from being killed after logging (safer than current) and you are proposing that you won't get hit with a timer upon log in, so you can go back to looting quicker.

 

How is that not wanting a new system that works out more in favour of server hoppers than current. 

 

Currently you see someone teleport into Balota, loot it then run into the bushes to log out. You kill them. Failing that they have to wait 5 mins to be able to loot again. Your proposition rids the server hopper of both these things. In other words they favour server hoppers...