Do people still server hop?

[dgeesio 1034]

Since they added the new "feature" I honestly think people are jumping even more than ever..

 

I have yet to go to a airfield that wasn't looted no matter how many or how little players are on the server. There have been many times where the servers shuts down when I'm in Cherno. By the time I make it to Bolota after the restart at least 1-3 hoppers have already beat me and if I'm lucky I might catch one near the last prison when there extra greedy..

 

I also sat above Bolota airfield and watch for 5hours one 2 days ago. I can't say it was worse but I sure as hell can tell you it doesn't seem to be helping. Like WTF are these paid Chinese farmers like in WOW?

 

I sure as fuck am not going to wait 5mins to hop servers..But then again I wasn't even the hopping type in the first place. Seems like a cheap trick/ band aid to a bigger issue.

 

cause people will wait 5 minutes !!!

 

chance of getting gun and running from any other location to next location = more than time to wait for login to another server = hopping = more loot in less time !

 

so people will continue to hop even with 5 minutes waiting in between.

 

until loot is fixed and respawn then it wont stop hopefully its sorted soon.

[mgc 92]

Loot respawning will allow for more time between server resets. It helps to combat the effects of server hoppers (no loot on server within 30 mins of server restart), but it wont do anything to change the mindset of those who see kitting as a prereq. for fun, rather than part of the fun.

 

Hopping works because players know what to get when and where. loot respawn just gives those players more whens. Randomized (time, place, grade and type) loot would decrease their whats, whens and wheres and would keep everybody guessing as to where the m4 is.

[frosti 2165]

cause people will wait 5 minutes !!!

 

chance of getting gun and running from any other location to next location = more than time to wait for login to another server = hopping = more loot in less time !

 

so people will continue to hop even with 5 minutes waiting in between.

 

until loot is fixed and respawn then it wont stop hopefully its sorted soon.

 

Nope.

 

What is more effective when loot respawns?

 

Wait for it to respawn or server hop while you wait for loot to respawn?

 

People will server hop even more when loot respawns becouse you will get even more loot when server hop and faster, when loot respawns, you don't even have to wait on server restarts.

 

Loot respawning will make server hopping even worse.

Edited February 12, 2014 by Frosti

[Mdogg2005 447]

If people were playing the game the way it's supposed to be played hopping would not be an issue. Only because they can't take it that they can't find anything they hop. When will it get in peoples minds that the game is about hardships and not about getting geared up in guinness world record time?

Too bad there are morons that argue: "HURR DURR THERE IS NO 'WAY THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED' IT'S A SANDBOX HURR DURR."

 

I agree that it completely ruins the point of the game but there are stupid idiots on the forums who claim that server hopping is a valid play style and that we shouldn't tell them any "right way to play" since to us, their way is wrong and to us their way is wrong.

[TwinSpire 49]

There's nothing wrong with respawning loot every 10 minutes, as long as the loot doesn't respawn all at once and has less chance of spawning items, when there are already items that have spawned before the most recent respawn.

 

 

True but I assume the devs are no where near implementing a whole new "balanced" based on previous/historical loot system.  

 

Honestly it sounds too complex compared to spawning loot every couple of hours (2-4 I would guess) and increasing the locations that spawn these high value loot items + reducing spawn % + increasing similar function items.

[DirtyscumbagLith 270]

The developers of this game completely missed the pt, if you want my honest opinion.

 

Issue- 99% of guns show up at military bases or AF. So naturally, people go there.

 

When a server resets, everything is dumped in its slots, so people farm until its gone.

 

FIX:

 

1. make guns appear in other spots as well. the ak-47 is the most popular gun on earth- and sold the most in russia- you're telling me its not realistic for it to appear in a house?

2. make weapons/loot appear randomly in any building, so its unknown where it will appear...ie...guns in homes, etc...not just in MB or AF's.

3. make loot appear at random times, just not at the start of the game so there's no need to find "a fresh server"

 

Implement these ideas and SH dies right there.

 

When Im a bambi and I see 38/40 server, I skip it and go to a low pop server like everyone else in the world. So thats kind of like SH'ing as well, so lets all get off our high horse and quit preaching.

[rybo 171]

Nope.

 

What is more effective when loot respawns?

 

Wait for it to respawn or server hop while you wait for loot to respawn?

 

People will server hop even more when loot respawns becouse you will get even more loot when server hop and faster, when loot respawns, you don't even have to wait on server restarts.

 

Loot respawning will make server hopping even worse.

 

Very true and we must all not forget this!

[soulfirez 901]

cause people will wait 5 minutes !!!

 

chance of getting gun and running from any other location to next location = more than time to wait for login to another server = hopping = more loot in less time !

 

so people will continue to hop even with 5 minutes waiting in between.

 

until loot is fixed and respawn then it wont stop hopefully its sorted soon.

hmmm yeah right it will be fixed then will it ??? how fast do you think loot will respawn??? it take what 5 min to server jump so what do they need to set loot to respawn in less than 5 minutes..... they jump for the quickest loot to speed there then coming deathmatch (usually bambi killing on the coast why cause this is where the most people are they didnt want to wait for loot ya think they will wait for players no they will go where they get the fastest kills.

 

1 server  1 character private hive style is only thing that stops these people jumping the loot not respawning is just an excuse they use.....

 

If rocket makes loot respawn in less than hour it will kill survival element of game.. Yay so what we going to end up with a BF game on a larger map with either server hoppers or loot farmers if it quick respawn ...

[CS14 133]

IMHO sever hopping is just as bad as it was before. In all reality 5-30 minutes of waiting really is not that bad. How? Simple. Log onto an empty server and spend a good half hour searching one of the airfields or other military bases. By the time you are done it should be roughly a half hour. After a half hour of game play just switch to another server and poof, no more wait timer. Even then five minutes really isn't that bad for those who just keep hopping after a few minutes of looking.

[dgeesio 1034]

server hopping hasnt stopped because you have to run from say behrizino to airfield for eg takes longer than it does to hop to another server in a known loot spot

 

so it comes down to at moment time taken to get to high yield loot area vs waiting for server hop time of 5 mins max. thats why people are still hopping as you cant run  anywhere from gun to gun in 5 minutes to check if there is a gun at the next high yield spot.

 

until loot is respawn people will just hop hop hop.

[DaveAzoicer (DayZ) 135]

Yepp.

Killed 3 server hoppers who tried to kill me even thou I warned them several times to not go through the door.

One of them almost got me as well. Good thing I had Wez with me. Managed to patch me up before I bleed to death.

 

Annoying that the Defib, doesn't seem to work.

[Window Licker 504]

Nope.

 

What is more effective when loot respawns?

 

Wait for it to respawn or server hop while you wait for loot to respawn?

 

People will server hop even more when loot respawns becouse you will get even more loot when server hop and faster, when loot respawns, you don't even have to wait on server restarts.

 

Loot respawning will make server hopping even worse.

I'ma start by saying this is a half baked poorly thought out post, haven't thought it thru entirely....

I've noticed that loot spawning is somewhat random. in that a building with say 10 spawn locations will only spawn items in 6 of those locations (unconfirmed) with the variety of loot that spawns in locations across the map.  Once weapons become rare spawning items, then server hopping won't be particularly viable.

 

For example each server can only spawn ONE M4 at a time, the cool down before it spawns again might be an hour, add in all the locations an M4 can spawn there's a bunch of the outpost's around they spawn in the schools/tech/whatever the fuck building's there are so many place's they can currently spawn that if the numbers where slashed like that it would be so unlikely and time consuming to server hop to get one that people would be like fuck this shit.

 

Not only that but anyone who had one would be marked for death by anyone that saw them, while this does nothing for it now I can see things getting very interesting and paraniod in the future.

[sidwulf 69]

It's less, but obviously not solved.

 

The solution is real simple though, just let zombies spawn inside of high-loot buildings, and in the areas around them. If you try to server hop anywhere near those buildings, you're going to get mauled before you can even spawn properly. Of course if you still intend to server hop, you must now not only face a horde of zombies, but you'll also have to expose yourself to players outside. Which means server hopping could be countered pretty easily.

 

Good shit, you have to work for you loot.

[Ghostflux 100]

There is, loot farming.

 

Not really. Loot farming is simply the result of an incomplete system. It's the result of knowing where loot spawns, and in what pattern or when it spawns. If it's random enough you wouldn't be any quicker by farming as you would by simply searching around like everyone else does. 10 minutes is only a number, it could very well be randomized.

[enforcer1975 1111]

As long as there is no respawning loot, i have no issues with people server hopping.

 

You are supposed to have scarce resources...that's why it's called a survival game.

[Deathlove 2286]

yeah good spots are picked clean within minutes. Before me and a group can even get there sometimes.

[djporternz 644]

Issue- 99% of guns show up at military bases or AF. So naturally, people go there.

Not so fast! The only gun that ONLY spawns at the airfields is the M4. At least, I've never encountered it anywhere else except on a body. It's military, where would you expect it to spawn?

 

Every other gun spawns throughout the map. SKS, Mosin, Shottys spawn in virtually any town or village bigger than a 2~3 buildings. Same with ammo; everywhere.

 

TBH, as others have stated, Server Hopping is here to stay at least until we get Private Hive servers. Or it is squashed with an exponential relog timer, which I think would create too many side issues (as we saw with the whole GPU bug thing recently!).

 

In the mean time, I'd be all for an increase in the login timer to 10 mins or so. 5 mins worked to a point, 10 mins may be enough to get rid of everyone except the hardcore SH crowd.

Edited February 12, 2014 by DJPorterNZ

[Demoth 366]

You are supposed to have scarce resources...that's why it's called a survival game.

 

Let's face reality here. This game is about gearing up as fast as possible and then shooting at everything in sight. As long as 5 people per server are playing this way, it's going to spiral into server wide KOS'ing which further depletes all resources.

 

You can run inland and sometimes find non-looted cities, but after all that, then what? There is no persistent anything yet. No reason to really value your character except for the gear you've managed to acquire.

[Ghostflux 100]

You are supposed to have scarce resources...that's why it's called a survival game.

 

The problem with the current system is that there's a group of people who are overloaded with loot versus people who can't find anything at all. Scarcity isn't the point, it's loot distribution between players. The ideal situation would be a rare number of fully geared "veterans", where it is now mostly the opposite, with most players being fully geared. It makes it increasingly hard for a new player to survive.

[xRann 126]

Not so fast! The only gun that ONLY spawns at the airfields is the M4. At least, I've never encountered it anywhere else except on a body. It's military, where would you expect it to spawn?

All firearms spawn in the "schools"

[Martmital 436]

I haven't been to an airbase or mil base in ages...  if M4 attachments spawned elsewhere I would prolly never go to one.

[Martmital 436]

Not so fast! The only gun that ONLY spawns at the airfields is the M4. At least, I've never encountered it anywhere else except on a body. It's military, where would you expect it to spawn?

 

 

Berezino, the construction site that has the crane outside.  M4 spawns there.

[oregonized 673]

Not so fast! The only gun that ONLY spawns at the airfields is the M4. At least, I've never encountered it anywhere else except on a body. It's military, where would you expect it to spawn?

 

I have found the M4 in numerous places outside of the air fields.  It is definitely rarer though. 

[DirtyscumbagLith 270]

You are supposed to have scarce resources...that's why it's called a survival game.

 

 

That may be true, but how many people are interested in playing a game where you can't find a gun, can't find ammo, barely find food/axe?

 

Game sales would not be where they are at if scarcity of a weapon is so common.

 

I have zero desire to run around weaponless out in a small town, interacting with someone who has an axe and is going to split my noggin in 2 and the only defense i have is to double tap W.

 

This game needs weapons. It just needs a reasonable deployment method.

[DirtyscumbagLith 270]

The problem with the current system is that there's a group of people who are overloaded with loot versus people who can't find anything at all. Scarcity isn't the point, it's loot distribution between players. The ideal situation would be a rare number of fully geared "veterans", where it is now mostly the opposite, with most players being fully geared. It makes it increasingly hard for a new player to survive.

 

I find this to be the players who do not know how to play the game. I read a post yesterday "10 hours and I still dont have a weapon"

Good Lord- nobody is going to hand you a weapon. Go on Youtube and watch the countless videos to learn this game.

 

Right now, I'm nearly fully geared in 40 minutes without server hopping and Im not going to an airfrield. You can do the same. Learn the tricks.