Allow Server Configurable Pve Only

[o5pr3y (DayZ) 77]

Well it is your story, but we all have to follow the same basic rules, which is the core game tbh.

Removing PVP changes the entire game into something else, somehing not DayZ.

 

It would be like removing the hunger/thirst system tbh. Its an essential core part of the game and it should be there at all times.

 

And if it's on a private server, dictated by the host's rules, why would it matter to you?

That's what fails to make sense to me.

 

Like I said, I don't want it to detract any progress from what the game is going to become, I just don't see why everyone goes up in arms over it. Especially when it has no effect on you. 

 

Some people like to play survival in Minecraft, some like to play Creative and just build. Neither one effects the other.

[dallas 5195]

I would probably never put much time in a PvE server, but why limit the option?

 

So long as it's on a private hive way down the road in this game's development, and doesn't detract from the main game's progress.

 

Furthermore, its extremely hypocritical for you guys to shout "Dayz is your story" and then tell people they're playing it wrong.

DayZ is your own experience, but you're telling people they aren't allowed to rob or kill you, because your personal story is about friendship, free trade and rainbows? DayZ is a story about survival, hardship and close encounters. DayZ is also a story about random acts of kindness and friendly encounters, but these are only so profoundly felt, because two estranged players risk everything they have to trust each other, in a hostile and ruthless environment. 

 

If you disable PvE there's no emotional depths to the friendly interactions between strangers in DayZ.

 

There's just two dudes standing around, weighted down by their backpacks full of the best gear with nothing to use it for. 

 

As for private servers, I'm sure they'll come at some point and then you'll be able to disable PvP and allow everyone to spawn with fully kitted M4s and hundreds of rounds of ammo and then they can go around killing all the zombies from a safe 500 meter distance and really feel like they are actors in the Hollywood version of "The Road" where the good guys always win and never have to worry about hardship. 

 

Right now DayZ is working as an MMO as intended and if you want to rent a server, you gotta keep it public and help accommodate and maintain the MMO aspect of DayZ. I'm sure at some point, you'll be able to limit your survival experience to friends and family, where you know everyone in your little personal zombie holocaust is your best friends, on your teamspeak channel and play in harmony, with socialized healthcare for zombies and mankind and crimerates at zero percent, just like Rocket intended DayZ to be...

[o5pr3y (DayZ) 77]

 

As for private servers, I'm sure they'll come at some point and then you'll be able to disable PvP and allow everyone to spawn with fully kitted M4s and hundreds of rounds of ammo and then they can go around killing all the zombies from a safe 500 meter distance and really feel like they are actors in the Hollywood version of "The Road" where the good guys always win and never have to worry about hardship. 

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 And as stupidly simple and boring as that sounds, why would it affect you?

[Terminatus732 2]

why is nearly everyone thinking this is so a bad idea?


if there are some NO KOS or PVE only server NOONE!!!!!!!! will force you to join and if people want to play the game the friendly way let them play it friendly!!!

So stupid people think: "OH NO.. this game isn't fun anymore without shooting everyone instantly. You will ruin the game with No Kos mimimi"

 

I say shut it and let the people decide if they want to play friendly ( on a friendly server) or not friendly

 

Auto kick/ban for players kiling players on a friendly server would be awesome!

 

Wish everyone a good day

 

Terminatus

[byrgesen 1341]

And if it's on a private server, dictated by the host's rules, why would it matter to you?

That's what fails to make sense to me.

 

Like I said, I don't want it to detract any progress from what the game is going to become, I just don't see why everyone goes up in arms over it. Especially when it has no effect on you. 

 

Some people like to play survival in Minecraft, some like to play Creative and just build. Neither one effects the other.

 

Because the devs have seen the clusterfuck, which came from the mod, because of to much freedom.

Thats also one of the reason they want to keep EVERYTHING in the same DB, both public and private servers.

 

And it will have an effect on me and on the entire community, excatly like the mods had a giant impact on the community and split it into several smaller groups.

This is they're chance to make a game, which brings it all together again, instead of doing, what is already done with the mod, and divide it into 20 smaller "games" with different content.

[dallas 5195]

It kind of offends the core concept of DayZ.

 

DayZ goes against the industry consensus of catering to the dumbest and most casual gamers, dumbing down gameplay so much, that a 5 year old can play it without getting upset, while people, who enjoy being challenged and surprised by the unpredictable are left bored and unchallenged, because the marketing department has veto to everything that scares away casual gamers and sales.

 

It affects me, because I see DayZ as an MMO and if suddenly half the servers, starts selling sniper starter kits for server donations, every second server you join will have 500 functional vehicles and every civilian house spawns top tier weapons, then pretty soon, casuals will have turned DayZ into teamfortress, where you're able to spawn right inside Balota and DayZ is reduced to a 200m² death match arena. I'm sure there'll come a time, where carebears are allowed to kick players from their servers, if they get killed and lose the gear, they've so easily acquired, but why the hell would we want to rush this?

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

I would probably never put much time in a PvE server, but why limit the option?

 

So long as it's on a private hive way down the road in this game's development, and doesn't detract from the main game's progress.

 

Furthermore, its extremely hypocritical for you guys to shout "Dayz is your story" and then tell people they're playing it wrong.

DayZ is "your story", but like real life, in DayZ your character do not exist in a vacuum, the game isn't trying to make you feel like you're a hero, that's something you have to earn for yourself.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

why is nearly everyone thinking this is so a bad idea?

if there are some NO KOS or PVE only server NOONE!!!!!!!! will force you to join and if people want to play the game the friendly way let them play it friendly!!!

So stupid people think: "OH NO.. this game isn't fun anymore without shooting everyone instantly. You will ruin the game with No Kos mimimi"

 

I say shut it and let the people decide if they want to play friendly ( on a friendly server) or not friendly

 

Auto kick/ban for players kiling players on a friendly server would be awesome!

 

Wish everyone a good day

 

Terminatus

 

Here is a question for you to answer then. Why should they spend any development time on a specific version of the game that isn't the one they want to make?

[KerrSG1 113]

Again, no one has provided one coherent single argument how allowing PVE only servers will affect THEM if they want to stay on PVP servers.  None.  It's just 'I'm offended'  Well, tough.  You aren't free from being offended.  There is no protection or guarantee no one will ever offend you.  Get over it.

 

Secondly, people keep saying how the goal is for everyone to be geared up at start with servers that give you fully kitted M4s.  Who said that?  No one.  There are still environmental factors, disease, food/water and zombies to worry about.  The zombies will become more numerous and more dangerous as time goes on, so there will be increasing PVE threat as times goes on.  Is there much threat now if a server was PVE?  No, but so what?  You still aren't being forced onto something you don't want to play.

 

Lastly, this quote is most telling:

 

There's just two dudes standing around, weighted down by their backpacks full of the best gear with nothing to use it for. 

 

This should tell you exactly what this player's mindset is.  "Get gear because the only purpose is to kill other players."  It should be clear now exactly what this player believes, that this game is designed and meant only to be a people killer in game, that there is no other purpose for anything in the game.  Bravo for outing yourself.

[KerrSG1 113]

Here is a question for you to answer then. Why should they spend any development time on a specific version of the game that isn't the one they want to make?

 

Increased sales.  They are a business after all.

[tobias winfro 305]

Sorry to the OP but you aren't going to get people to see your vision of the game. After reading a lot of the pro PvP posts, all I am seeing is "don't you dare try to ruin my fun by not letting me rob or kill you". In time, when we are further along in development, I'm sure people will get their private hives. For now we must all put up with the douchebaggery that seems to gravitate toward Dayz. Yes I enjoy certain aspects of PvP and PvE but right now we can only play the hand we are dealt but I would imagine if the might orlok or one of the other forum mods proclaimed their love for PvE environments most of these people would be kissing ass and giving beans like crazy.

Don't get too upset about being killed, that's the beauty of Dayz. You find stuff and make due while you're alive, then rinse and repeat. It sucks but its the end of the world. One question for the OP, do you watch the walking dead? Cause that isn't always sunshine and roses....just sayin

[tobias winfro 305]

Sorry, double post

Edited January 30, 2014 by Tobias Winfro

[KerrSG1 113]

Love the Walking Dead, but the problem with the comparison is after they put a bullet in the head of The Governor he's not going to respawn and continue to be a douche bag.  The same would be in real life if someone like that was murdering people, once put down they're gone, they don't get to come back and continue to grief.

[Zuulass 45]

having PvE would be really boring

you could maybe make a group of people and kill all the zombies in an area

but then another group comes and takes all the loot

you cant kill them so they walk away as you angerly look at them

[KerrSG1 113]

having PvE would be really boring

you could maybe make a group of people and kill all the zombies in an area

but then another group comes and takes all the loot

you cant kill them so they walk away as you angerly look at them

 

That's based on your interpretation of how this game is supposed to be played.  Others feel differently.  Would it harm your game play on a PVP server at all for with other people doing that on a PVE server?

 

Also, your concern is flawed regarding loot.  Loot is not a finite resource.  It respawns, the server restarting creates more.  There is no true 'scarcity' of supplies.  The only true way to make that kind of thing scarce would be to have a one time spawn of supplies and then never again.  A can on a shelf doesn't appear after I checked there last time, it's either there to begin with or it will never be there in the future.

Edited January 30, 2014 by KerrSG1

[Zuulass 45]

That's based on your interpretation of how this game is supposed to be played.  Others feel differently.  Would it harm your game play on a PVP server at all for with other people doing that on a PVE server?

 

Also, your concern is flawed regarding loot.  Loot is not a finite resource.  It respawns, the server restarting creates more.  There is no true 'scarcity' of supplies.  The only true way to make that kind of thing scarce would be to have a one time spawn of supplies and then never again.  A can on a shelf doesn't appear after I checked there last time, it's either there to begin with or it will never be there in the future.

so just sit there and wait for the respawn

and all the zombies are respawned too

so all the work you did is for nothing

 

also it would harm PvP because then all the nice people leave to be safe in PvE and then PvP is just that players that just kill each other

it would disrupt what the game is trying to be

a world of maybe he is friendly maybe he isnt

 

in a real life apocalypse there would be people who KOS and people who are friendly

you dont get to choose

[KerrSG1 113]

also it would harm PvP because then all the nice people leave to be safe in PvE and then PvP is just that players that just kill each other

it would disrupt what the game is trying to be

a world of maybe he is friendly maybe he isnt

 

in a real life apocalypse there would be people who KOS and people who are friendly

you dont get to choose

 

Hate to break it to you, but dealing with those douche bags is causing people to leave the game already, except there are no true PVE servers to go to.  At least if there were PVE servers you would know you could go there, and if you wanted to deal with the aggravation of douche bags, you could go to PVP.  

 

Also, this is a game, which above all else is supposed to be entertaining.  It isn't real life.

[Zuulass 45]

Hate to break it to you, but dealing with those douche bags is causing people to leave the game already, except there are no true PVE servers to go to.  At least if there were PVE servers you would know you could go there, and if you wanted to deal with the aggravation of douche bags, you could go to PVP.  

 

Also, this is a game, which above all else is supposed to be entertaining.  It isn't real life.

hate to break it to you because this game aim to be as realistic as possible

you should just quit playing the game if you cant handle dying so much

or you could wait until private servers are up and you can have everything handed to you like a babby

[dekartz 315]

So basically, OP is saying: "I DEMAND THAT THIS GAME CATER TO HOW I WANT TO PLAY"

 

It's like going on a Battlefield Forum and demanding more swordpay.

 

Or the Chivalry forum and demanding an M4.

 

Or the Civ Forum and demanding more first person gameplay (and an M4)

 

Or the Legend of Zelda Forum and demanding an M4.

 

It's silly and will be met with the obvious resistance from fans of the respective series who enjoy the game as it is. If you want a PVE zombie experience, there are multiple other games that offer this.

 

What you're suggesting isn't a split of "PVE" and "PVP" servers. What you're suggesting is a split of "DayZ" and "DayZ without the PVP" servers. This is an old argument and Rocket has all but said that it won't happen. 

[KerrSG1 113]

Again, no one is able to provide one valid coherent argument how allowing PVE servers will impact their PVP game.

 

Except to call people a 'babby'

[dekartz 315]

Again, no one is able to provide one valid coherent argument how allowing PVE servers will impact their PVP game.

 

Except to call people a 'babby'

 

I believe the community division point raised earlier was a valid and coherent argument.

[KerrSG1 113]

What you're suggesting isn't a split of "PVE" and "PVP" servers. What you're suggesting is a split of "DayZ" and "DayZ without the PVP" servers. This is an old argument and Rocket has all but said that it won't happen. 

 

Again, how does it harm you to have PVP and PVE servers?  It's insignificant coding, it's a switch flipped essentially, and it broadens the game player base and their sales.  Hell, I wouldn't mind playing PVP servers occasionally, but I'd rather invest more time in PVE servers than deal with the typical internet chaff that go to an open PVP server.  As for Rocket, his mind can be changed.

[Zuulass 45]

Again, no one is able to provide one valid coherent argument how allowing PVE servers will impact their PVP game.

 

Except to call people a 'babby'

PvE servers will suck the meaning out of the game

having the PvP in the game makes it what it is

[dekartz 315]

Also, the burden of proof is on you sir. We don't have to prove why there shouldn't be PVE servers, because there already are none, you have to prove why there should be.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Dekartz

[KerrSG1 113]

I believe the community division point raised earlier was a valid and coherent argument.

 

And I pointed out 'nice people' are already leaving the game because of the griefing and KOS of the game as is.  PVE would allow them to stay, and there would likely be inevitable cross over as people play on PVP as well, but would rather stick to PVE on the whole.