I think every bad action except hacking is justified in this game

[komadose 190]

i agree. people are taking this game too seriously at this point. it's an alpha for testing purposes. exploits can only be fixed as they are found and abused.

 

i for one, would not like to waste my time playing this "legitly" at this point, since there are so much killer-bugs in this game ready to slap a big fat ALPHA-sticker to your face. happened too many times.

 

i'm liking where this game is headed, but for now, i'm just fooling around in it.

[deebz1234 243]

KOS is fine, spawn killing is fine. These are just human nature based actions.

 

Combat logging is not...it is cheating essentially.

Server hopping as well is not, it is cheating the system.

 

I have never once logged, MOD or SA. Face the music, kill or be killed.

 

I will continue to server hop until the current mechanic is fixed...which should have been patch #2.

(loot spawn timers...)

[Oledirty 0]

No op. I haven't once combat logged. Not even while trying to investigate a mysterious radio broadcast in elektro (just now).

So no. NOT all of us are on your pathetic level of exploit abuse. SOME of us can play a game fairly and with a sense of integrity.

I DID server hop quite a bit in the beginning, but only so I could get a sense of the game and where loot spawned, and with what frequency. Never once did I do it to gear up and hunt bambis, or anyone for that matter. All of the characters I hopped with ended up dying when I tested walls on multi floor buildings for clipping issues.

So NO. I am NOT on the same level as you.

Im not JUDGING you per se, but just asking you to not bring me down to your level based on some wild assumption that just because YOU don't play with integrity, that everyone else doesn't as well.

 

 

<reads post and ironically hears Metallica's- Holier than Thou. playing in the background>

Cute! /golfclap

Edited January 27, 2014 by Oledirty

[Ozar 108]

[edit]: why am i actually reacting to this.

 

grml

Edited January 27, 2014 by Ozar

[Grimey Rick 3417]

This includes,

 

[a]killing new spawn - [i was held up a dude of 5 guys who handcuffed and killed me execution style].

KoS - target pratice

[c]Bunny hopping - gear up fast easy mode

[d]glitching

[e]combat logging - funny moments

 

etc etc

 

To me, alphas been a learning experience. Let's face it you have all done one or two of the above. It's a game after all and it's all about entertainment. Agree?

 

Thanks, I feel a lot better.

 

Last night I came across two new spawns on the coast who were looking for supplies and general guidance. They had nothing to trade for my services, so, to their dismay, I began to move on.

 

I hadn't gotten ten feet when one of them jogged up behind me and grabbed me with a firm, yet gentle grip. In a breathy, sultry voice, she asked, "Sir, if I may, would you take payments of... a more unconventional means?"

 

I froze. I had to think with my head. I had to remain in control. "Uh, I, erm..." I stammered, unable to properly communicate my thoughts. Jesus, what was happening to me?

 

She slid her hand down my TTsKO Pants, taking hold of something large and wooden. All control went out the window.

 

With reckless abandon, she withdrew my Weapon Cleaning Kit from my pants and began stroking my Mosin Nagant with such vehemence that I nearly passed out in blissful rapture.

 

Needless to say, I then gave them all the help they needed.

[shadowjack 254]

Those that use exploits are just one step away from hackers. The only reason they won't hack is they actually fear getting caught.

[Etherimp 1323]

For the record: I'm judging you. 

You're a piece of shit of a person, you're a bad player, and you should re-evaluate your life.

 

a: Killing new spawns takes zero skill and there is nothing to gain from doing it. The guys who held you up and handcuffed you on the coast were assholes and you're an asshole if you do it to others. I have been playing DayZ mod for about a year, and been playing SA since release day. I bought my best friend a copy of the game and he's taking time out of his life to play with me.. He has a wife and a full time job, and I have a full time job.. He's new to the game and trying to learn. Granted, being killed as a fresh spawn IS part of the game, but only because SOME people who play this game are garbage. Point being, if you want this community and this game to thrive and grow, you are potentially turning off new players every time you abuse/harass them on the coast. For this reason alone, it's a lame thing to do.

 

b: KOS .. I really have no problem with KOS. While I would rather there be some player interaction, the fact of the matter is that KOS is part of the game. So I don't disagree here.

 

c: Server Hopping.. Another factor that ruins the fun for everyone and only detracts from your own experience. This isn't World of Mother Fucking Warcraft. We don't care what your gear level is. Nobody does. Nobody is impressed by it. This game isn't about accruing the best possible gear. It's about surviving on whatever gear you happen to have. Try playing the game legit. Who knows? You might surprise yourself and have an organic experience. I know your generation is entitled and has been spoiled on EZMODE video games and sports where everyone wins, but just like how this isn't World of Warcraft, it also isn't the Special Mother Fucking Olympics. You don't get a gold medal just because you participated. DayZ is about stories.. Interactions.. Creating your own legend, your own tale of heroism or infamy.. What's your story? "Today I logged in and looted an airfield, logged out, into another server, looted another airfield, logged out, logged into another server, looted another airfield, then I got shot because I'm an idiot... Oh well, another day of server hopping to get all my precious gear back tomorrow." Pathetic.

 

d: Glitching .. I'm mixed on this one. Depends on the glitch. If you're duping gear, that's lame. If you're carrying an extra weapon, or you use paint to fix your Magpul handgrip, it's kind of fair game.

 

e: Combat logging.. This just proves you're a trash player. Why even play the game? Oh.. let me guess, you don't want to lose your precious gear that you server hopped for hours to get? Yeah, I understand.. Fuck you.

[Nebulae3 422]

Add camping/sniping Airfields to that list. :)

[crazyandlazy 376]

On topic, I didn't mean to piss anyone off. I was just stating my thought of accepting everything except hacking[other player actions].

 

I don't applaud those acts but I believe one should not cuss out/get angry over the other person for being total scum. It's what makes this game so interesting. I just find it strangely funny how some heros demand respect and obediance to "moral codes" like he is god or something. I had this one obnoxious geared "hero" giving me a gun only to start preaching about how to play the game so I punched him unconscious and ran[i did not take his loot, mind you].

 

There are fake heros and fake bandits. True heros are caustious, cunning, and smart. I mean how else are you going to aid people? Some are not to be trusted. Real heros are silent and respectful not omg you combat logged you are such a noob. I am not a hero nor a bandit but I always giggle like a girl if the other player goes *poof*. I am going off on a tangent here about real/fake heros and bandits. What do you guys think?

 

 

One you didn't mention ghosting: too far, if you ghost I don't think you should be playing this game

 

 

I didn't mention ghosting because I don't want to list out all the exploits. Hence, I said etc etc.

[frosti 2165]

Add camping/sniping Airfields to that list. :)

 

This takes patience and skill.

[Etherimp 1323]

On topic, I didn't mean to piss anyone off. I was just stating my thought of accepting everything except hacking[other player actions].

 

I don't applaud those acts but I believe one should not cuss out/get angry over the other person for being total scum. It's what makes this game so interesting. I just find it strangely funny how some heros demand respect and obediance to "moral codes" like he is god or something. I had this one obnoxious geared "hero" giving me a gun only to start preaching about how to play the game so I punched him unconscious and ran[i did not take his loot, mind you].

 

There are fake heros and fake bandits. True heros are caustious, cunning, and smart. I mean how else are you going to aid people? Some are not to be trusted. Real heros are silent and respectful not omg you combat logged you are such a noob. I am not a hero nor a bandit but I always giggle like a girl if the other player goes *poof*. I am going off on a tangent here about real/fake heros and bandits. What do you guys think?

 

 

 

I didn't mention ghosting because I don't want to list out all the exploits. Hence, I said etc etc.

 

 

I think you're being a hypocrite. 

 

You're telling people what it means to be a hero or a bandit. I have my own ideas of what heroes are and bandits are... Neither of them are very "present" in the game right now, seeing as most people just run around airfields server hopping for loot, KOSing everything they see, or combat logging the second someone engages them. Oh, then there's the kids who sit at Kamyshovo shooting fresh spawns.

 

Heroes save peoples lives.. End of story. If someone gave you a gun, they were trying to be helpful to you. Maybe you should have taken their advice and learned something.

 

Bandits hold people up and steal.. They aren't NECESSARILY murderers.. Which is what we mostly have right now.

[crazyandlazy 376]

I think you're being a hypocrite. 

 

You're telling people what it means to be a hero or a bandit. I have my own ideas of what heroes are and bandits are... Neither of them are very "present" in the game right now, seeing as most people just run around airfields server hopping for loot, KOSing everything they see, or combat logging the second someone engages them. Oh, then there's the kids who sit at Kamyshovo shooting fresh spawns.

 

Heroes save peoples lives.. End of story. If someone gave you a gun, they were trying to be helpful to you. Maybe you should have taken their advice and learned something.

 

Bandits hold people up and steal.. They aren't NECESSARILY murderers.. Which is what we mostly have right now.

 

How am I being a hypocrite when I asked "What do you guys think?". When I said "What do you guys think" in regards to my idea of real hero/bandit, it's pretty clear cut that I am not claiming I hold the absolute truth and everyone should hit the road.

 

You and the other guy needs to chill the heck down. It's a game. You don't need to be condencding to every bad player. They paid $30 for entertainment. I lol'd at you saying "kids who sit at Kamyshovo". No need for name calling. I hate them too and guess what it is so satisfying bookmarking the server and getting your revenge. Gives us a new objective.

 

There were two occasions where I met a hero who gave me a magnum. The first asked me if I needed anything. I said no and he said do you have any weapons. I said a wrench... you could see on my back. He then asked if I wanted a magnum with 6 bullets after holding me up and inspecting me. I said sure. He said ok trade me something and I said I have a can of sphagetti. He said cool and we traded and he then left me immediately after dropping the gun. That to me is a real hero.

 

The second occasion occured just recently. This guy immediately held me up and asked hey hey hey you! you want a gun? I said sure. He said well do you know how to play? I said yeah bro I just got killed by ___ and respawned[i don't remember what but I was killed in a gunfight and mentioned this to him]. He then said here take it, I dropped it on the ground. While we waited he started preaching. I said dude thanks but I know how to play. It was taking a while and he continued yapping. I was not going to listen to a lecture so I decided to punch his face in to which he fell unconsious with him yelling I am going to kill you you stupid noob etc etc. I am not a jerk so I didn't take his m4 or his handgun. Just ran the heck out of there giggling.

 

In short, you have to admit some heros are a bit self righteous and don't get angry at me but you sound a little bit uppity imo. It's a game.

Edited January 27, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[BL1P 252]

C, D and E are exploits where as A and B are game play styles

[eleventhavenue 204]

I don't agree. It does sound horribly boring.

Especially the server hopping... getting into a full server is irritating, I don't understand why people would want to mess with the servers when they got into a good one...

[Etherimp 1323]

 

How am I being a hypocrite when I asked "What do you guys think?". When I said "What do you guys think" in regards to my idea of real hero/bandit, it's pretty clear cut that I am not claiming I hold the absolute truth and everyone should hit the road.

 

You and the other guy needs to chill the heck down. It's a game. You don't need to be condencding to every bad player. They paid $30 for entertainment. I lol'd at you saying "kids who sit at Kamyshovo". No need for name calling. I hate them too and guess what it is so satisfying bookmarking the server and getting your revenge. Gives us a new objective.

 

There were two occasions where I met a hero who gave me a magnum. The first asked me if I needed anything. I said no and he said do you have any weapons. I said a wrench... you could see on my back. He then asked if I wanted a magnum with 6 bullets after holding me up and inspecting me. I said sure. He said ok trade me something and I said I have a can of sphagetti. He said cool and we traded and he then left me immediately after dropping the gun. That to me is a real hero.

 

The second occasion occured just recently. This guy immediately held me up and asked hey hey hey you! you want a gun? I said sure. He said well do you know how to play? I said yeah bro I just got killed by ___ and respawned[i don't remember what but I was killed in a gunfight and mentioned this to him]. He then said here take it, I dropped it on the ground. While we waited he started preaching. I said dude thanks but I know how to play. It was taking a while and he continued yapping. I was not going to listen to a lecture so I decided to punch his face in to which he fell unconsious with him yelling I am going to kill you you stupid noob etc etc. I am not a jerk so I didn't take his m4 or his handgun. Just ran the heck out of there giggling.

 

In short, you have to admit some heros are a bit self righteous and don't get angry at me but you sound a little bit uppity imo. It's a game.

 

 

 

You were being a hypocrite by saying you don't like to be told how to play by others, then by saying "heroes and bandits are SUPPOSED to be like (whatever)".

 

To the rest of it.. I'm not angry. I'm not up-tight. I just don't condone people abusing game mechanics and ruining the fun for other people who also payed their 30 bucks. That's the entitlement issue I was referring to. "I PAID 30 BUCKS SO I DESERVE TO PLAY HOW *I* WANT TO EVEN IF IT FUCKS THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE!"

 

That's like walking into a restaurant, paying 30 bucks for a steak, then taking a shit on the table and announcing that YOU deserve to do that because YOU paid 30 bucks! "WHAT?! WHY YOU TELLIN' ME HOW TO EAT?! I PAID 30 BUCKS TOO!"

[hatesauce 99]

Sorry but what the fuck is "bunny hopping"? I have heard of server hopping before, but no idea what this is. Sounds like some 10 year old care bear rendition of something.

Edited January 27, 2014 by hatesauce

[crazyandlazy 376]

You were being a hypocrite by saying you don't like to be told how to play by others, then by saying "heroes and bandits are SUPPOSED to be like (whatever)".

 

To the rest of it.. I'm not angry. I'm not up-tight. I just don't condone people abusing game mechanics and ruining the fun for other people who also payed their 30 bucks. That's the entitlement issue I was referring to. "I PAID 30 BUCKS SO I DESERVE TO PLAY HOW *I* WANT TO EVEN IF IT FUCKS THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE!"

 

That's like walking into a restaurant, paying 30 bucks for a steak, then taking a shit on the table and announcing that YOU deserve to do that because YOU paid 30 bucks! "WHAT?! WHY YOU TELLIN' ME HOW TO EAT?! I PAID 30 BUCKS TOO!"

 

You have serious diffculty with reading comprehension buddy. I gave my thought of hero and bandit and politely "asked" what you guys[all forum members] thought. Never did I say absolutes such as, "Bandits are suppose to ____ and heros are to ___." Go back and reread my post.

 

To be honest, I am getting a little scared of your rants. You seem to have issues. I already know you are very passionate about wrong doers. I agreed with you in that I hate the same guys as much as you do but I don't necessarily be all bitter about it so as to have them ruin my game. I also don't think they are below me cause It's just a game. I carry on with alternating hero and survivalist playstyles. 

 

What is with the restaurant rant? Ironic you bring up entitlement issues because all I see is you wanting to have everyone be all nice and dandy and avoid cheats and glitches. So what if you lost your character. It doesn't take more than two hours to get that gear back and you can always try getting revenge. I have gotten upset tons of times but I have never had a jerk that caused me so so soooo much stress and discomfort. It's a game. 

 

Also, I believe bad people are needed. How else are we going to see funny videos on youtube[hint: fire extinguisher guy]?

Edited January 27, 2014 by CrazyandLazy

[Alogos 24]

"Pathetic level of exploit abuse"

 

That sounds like judging actually.

yea, sounds like he doesnt know quite what judging is from his ivory tower up there

 

for the record, i've never combat logged or killed bambis either but it doesnt make me better than anyone lol

[Etherimp 1323]

You have serious diffculty with reading comprehension buddy. I gave my thought of hero and bandit and politely "asked" what you guys[all forum members] thought. Never did I say absolutes such as, "Bandits are suppose to ____ and heros are to ___." Go back and reread my post.

 

To be honest, I am getting a little scared of your rants. You seem to have issues. I already know you are very passionate about wrong doers. I agreed with you in that I hate the same guys as much as you do but I don't necessarily be all bitter about it so as to have them ruin my game. I also don't think they are below me cause It's just a game. I carry on with alternating hero and survivalist playstyles. 

 

What is with the restaurant rant? Ironic you bring up entitlement issues because all I see is you wanting to have everyone be all nice and dandy and avoid cheats and glitches. So what if you lost your character. It doesn't take more than two hours to get that gear back and you can always try getting revenge. I have gotten upset tons of times but I have never had a jerk that caused me so so soooo much stress and discomfort. It's a game. 

 

Also, I believe bad people are needed. How else are we going to see funny videos on youtube[hint: fire extinguisher guy]?

 

 

 

My reading comprehension is just fine, "buddy". In your original post (and the topic of this thread), you state, and I quote, "I think every bad action except hacking is justified in this game." You go on to include server hopping and combat logging among those thing which you believe are "justified".

 

The literal definition of "justify" is "show or prove to be right or reasonable."

 

The literal definition of "right" is  "morally good, justified, or acceptable."

 

The literal definition of "reasonable" is "as much as is appropriate or fair; moderate."

 

In short, you believe it is "fair and morally good" to server hop and combat log. This is the topic and assertion which I have been responding to throughout my 3 or so posts in this thread. I do not care what you think a hero is or a bandit is. I only pointed out that by you stating that a hero is "x" and a bandit is "y", you are defining how others should play the game to fit into those roles, which is hypocritical on your part. The fact that you posed a question to your audience after you stated your assertion does not erase the original statement, which was, and I quote: 

 

"There are fake heros and fake bandits. True heros are caustious, cunning, and smart. I mean how else are you going to aid people? Some are not to be trusted. Real heros are silent and respectful not omg you combat logged you are such a noob."

 

Sounds a lot like an assertion to me. "There are fake heros [sic] and fake bandits. True heros [sic] are caustious [sic], cunning, and smart." ... etc.

 

Those are all statements of your opinion/thoughts on the matter. You are asserting that there is a specific definition of a hero, and of a bandit. Yeah, you asked others what they thought, but only after you had asserted your opinion.

 

In response to your assumption that I have "issues".. Uhm, you stated that combat logging and server hopping is "justified", and then you proceed to back-peddle and say "I agreed with you in that I hate the same guys as much as you do but I don't necessarily be all bitter about it so as to have them ruin my game." So.. Are their actions justified or are they deplorable? Are their actions right or wrong? Are they morally sound or objectionable? You're doing a very precarious balancing act here, "buddy". 

 

You say you don't think they're below you? Well, fine... Then we'll assume you're on their level, because I know for a fact they are below me. Anyone who is willing to cheat in a multiplayer video game is ruining the fun for others and is the antithesis of someone who is "doing the right thing". Let's prove this argument through logic, by taking each scenario to it's most extreme point:

 

Scenario 1: Nobody ever combat logs and accepts their fate when they die.. The happily press the "respawn" button and start a new character and go on the quest for more precious gear.... In this scenario, the game is played how it is meant to be played. People die, people kill others, people respawn, and while it's unfortunate that someone has to lose their gear, it is PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE GAME, and is, in fact, the way the game is meant to be played.

 

Scenario 2: Everyone combat logs. Nobody ever kills anyone else because every time there is a shot fired or someone hears footsteps or someone attempts to interact with another person through voice, the other person just instantly combat logs, and loses nothing... At this point, there is literally no reason to play the game. No player interaction happens. No tension. No YouTube videos get made because it's all just constant combat loggers. Handcuffs become useless. Weapons become useless.. PvP grinds to an absolute halt, and you have servers full of players with the best gear in the game who hop in for 1-20 minutes, then randomly disappear and join another server.. Wow, imagine how boring that world would be.

 

What kind of game do you think Dean wants? What kind of game would YOU rather play? What kind of game do you think the majority of reasonable human beings would prefer to play? One where everyone combat logs or one where nobody combat logs? 

Currently, combat logging, exploiting, hacking, and server hopping are unfortunate realities, but that does not make them "justified", which is what your original post called them. I'm sorry if this is not what you really think, because I'm hoping it's not.. But you have to learn at some point that language includes words, and words HAVE MEANINGS, and those meanings are agreed upon through consensus. The consensus of the word "justified" is pretty clear, and ultimately your assertion that those deeds are "justified" is complete and absolute HORSE SHIT. If you just used the wrong word, when you used "justified", maybe you should work on your reading comprehension and start a new thread where you say what you mean, instead of saying some shit you just thought sounded good at the time but really don't stand behind, because with as much back-peddling as you've done in this thread I'm sure even you are having a hard time thinking you believe what you say you believe.

 

Oh, and for the record.. I have never combat logged, I don't get upset when I lose my character, and I don't want everyone to be "nice".. I'm not entitled in the least, and for you to even suggest that I am is absurd. There's nothing I have said (nor done) which could even remotely be construed as "entitled".. Maybe that's another word you should look up, since you're working on your reading comprehension. 

 

Good day to you, kiddo.

 

*dust hands*

Edited January 28, 2014 by Etherimp

[Inception. 9443]

Keep this civilised, if possible, ladies and gentlemen.

--

 

I am personally against combat logging.

[WierdBeard 18]

I'm waiting for the Etherimp/CrazyandLazy slashfic thread to start up.  There are some strong feelings here that can obviously only be resolved with intense snuggling.

[crazykage 1063]

Look guys (no cheaters, not you. I'll get to you in a moment...). You are NOT going to convince these cheaters that what they are doing is wrong. They are NOT going to change their world view because you explain it to them, no matter how eloquently and intelligently you tell them.

You would have better luck explaining the moral consequences of bullying to a bully, in the hopes the bully would change their ways. Like trying to tell them that the reason they pick on others is because, deep down, they feel weak, and need to feel stronger. The bully would just spit in your face, right?

I only responded to this thread to point out to the OP that "NO, not everyone who plays this game has a total lack of integrity when they do so, just because YOU don't." AND to tell him not to try and bring me down to that level.

For you, the cheaters, yes, I understand there are "grey areas". Doing it ONE time, or to learn about the game, or because you trekked 500 miles to get to "X" spot and found it had been looted, so you hoped, etc... these are minor sins. But combat logging, ghosting, hoping (to "gear up fast easy mode" as the OP put it), hot spawning (whatever the fuck that is. Never heard of it until today), is an exploit. The only difference, in my eyes, between this and using an ACTUAL hack, is the fact that its free and there is no third party program or script.

You are still CHEATING to gain an unfair advantage over others, that is NOT a part of the intended game design. You can say whatever you want. HOWEVER you want. NOTHING will change that fact. And anything you say to yourself to convince yourself otherwise is a lie you tell yourself to justify your actions.

So go ahead and give me shit about my "soapbox" or whatever. I have fucks to give, but you cant have them....

Edited January 28, 2014 by Crazykage

[Judopunch 523]

I hope people hack, cheat, and break the game in every conceivable way. Because this is the alpha, and they can fix all that shit before it goes live.

[Etherimp 1323]

Look guys (no cheaters, not you. I'll get to you in a moment...). You are NOT going to convince these cheaters that what they are doing is wrong. They are NOT going to change their world view because you explain it to them, no matter how eloquently and intelligently you tell them.

You would have better luck explaining the moral consequences of bullying to a bully, in the hopes the bully would change their ways. Like trying to tell them that the reason they pick on others is because, deep down, they feel weak, and need to feel stronger. The bully would just spit in your face, right?

I only responded to this thread to point out to the OP that "NO, not everyone who plays this game has a total lack of integrity when they do so, just because YOU don't." AND to tell him not to try and bring me down to that level.

For you, the cheaters, yes, I understand there are "grey areas". Doing it ONE time, or to learn about the game, or because you trekked 500 miles to get to "X" spot and found it had been looted, so you hoped, etc... these are minor sins. But combat logging, ghosting, hoping (to "gear up fast easy mode" as the OP put it), hot spawning (whatever the fuck that is. Never heard of it until today), is an exploit. The only difference, in my eyes, between this and using an ACTUAL hack, is the fact that its free and there is no third party program or script.

You are still CHEATING to gain an unfair advantage over others, that is NOT a part of the intended game design. You can say whatever you want. HOWEVER you want. NOTHING will change that fact. And anything you say to yourself to convince yourself otherwise is a lie you tell yourself to justify your actions.

So go ahead and give me shit about my "soapbox" or whatever. I have fucks to give, but you cant have them....

 

 

I don't think I am going to get through to any hardcore cheater.. But then, I don't think the OP is a "hardcore cheater".. I think he's ignorant of what he's saying and hasn't fully thought through the consequences of the things he is condoning. 

Here's a fact: Game designers must dedicate resources (read: money) to combat and prevent cheats/exploits/hacks. The cost of that is passed on to the customer. Without cheaters/hackers/exploits, the development time is reduced and the cost of any given project is reduced considerably. Those savings are passed on to the customer.

 

Want a fast development time?

Want cool content?

Want a better performing game? 

Then you shouldn't condone cheating.

 

I understand the argument that games need to be "broken" during Alpha so that those weaknesses/exploits can be sorted out during the development process.. but there's a large difference between bugs (such as painting your attachment = pristine), exploits (seeing through walls), which SHOULD have resources dedicated to fixing them, and the "hacks" which are available from hacker websites.

 

There's an entire industry dependent upon keeping kids cheating in multiplayer games so that they can continue to profit. That's not really what this thread is about, so I won't focus on it.. And I know we don't live in an ideal world, so there will always be dishonest players and poor sports out there, so the development time required to sort out combat loggers will be required one way or another..

 

But wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a perfect world where that wasn't necessary because everyone was just honest enough to play the game the way it was intended? Yeah. It would be.. Unfortunately we have morally bankrupt morons who exploit everything they can to get an advantage in a FAKE WORLD.

[Sinphaltimus 262]

As frustrating as it is (I hate combat loggers and ghosters), I have to agree with the op. Without using this party tools, exploit this alpha, exploit the Hell out of it to ensure its such a well known issue that the devs never forget and are sure to fix it. This is, after all, a test bed. Find more exploits and brag about then. Report them, use them do what ever it takes to make sure they get taken care of as a top priority. The name of the game is survival by any means and these folks are doing just that. Now rig it so they can't. Period.