Rocket answers to everyone who complains about 3D view

[soulfirez 901]

Do those of us that confess to being 'hardcore' use such things as TeamSpeak or Skype? 

playing hardcore doesnt make you hardcore lol its merely a name for a higher difficulty level ( i some times do and sometimes dont use teamspeak ) oh wait is it a realisim thing your saying meta gaming lol.

 

Your point ?? how many 3rd view players do the same thing ?? Thats the strange thing with a game it can be more or less realistic and hardcore is more realistic doesnt make it real....

 

Hey id prefer everyone used in game chat i wish everyone would stop turning your gama up i wish alot of things but turn of point 1st person is the harder view to play the game in hence why its called a harder difficulty in this case hardcore could have just been called hard or very hard.

[dallas 5195]

If you have a problem without third person, you have...problably very low standards for yourself.

Maybe I do, but that's none of your fucking business and nothing to do with this discussion. 

 

Bottom line is as I already said, RV isn't a first person exclusive experience. I've got no problem with playing within the DayZ parameters and don't need to dictate everyone else's preferences as long as they stay within the parameters. So you already have 1PP exclusive servers and many of them are quite active and yet, you're keeping yourself busy with that's going on on 3PP servers.

 

You can't accept reality, which is this discussion is a moot point.

[minime1000 78]

Good man rocket.....stick to your 2 guns :)

 

Even give them a little ego stroke by calling it hardcore :)

 

Playing 1st is basically saying you dont want the possibility for someone to see you without you seeing them (which is very possible IRL), then you are making the game EASIER on yourself....not harder. But you all keep thinking its "hardcore" and the most of us will just use this feature as intended. To immerse ourselfs in the world, and compensate for things first simply cannot simulate. Also knowing we have another challenge in the game world to deal with that you all just ran away from :P

 

There is no deviding the dev team at the moment, the only difference is a binary number changed to dissable 3rd. Yes going to take a lot of devs a lot of time to switch that....its really gonna hurt development speed.

 

Where....anywhere....does Dayz claim to be a competitive fps game. Its so much more than that, but i feel the 1st only brigade can only see it as counterstrike with loot :(

This is some olympic level of mental gymnastics

[Martmital 436]

playing hardcore doesnt make you hardcore lol its merely a name for a higher difficulty level ( i some times do and sometimes dont use teamspeak ) oh wait is it a realisim thing your saying meta gaming lol.

 

Your point ?? how many 3rd view players do the same thing ?? Thats the strange thing with a game it can be more or less realistic and hardcore is more realistic doesnt make it real....

 

Hey id prefer everyone used in game chat i wish everyone would stop turning your gama up i wish alot of things but turn of point 1st person is the harder view to play the game in hence why its called a harder difficulty in this case hardcore could have just been called hard or very hard.

 

 

The 'hardcore' referred to those of you who beat their chest about such servers, not about your prowess.  Personally I find both views to have its advantages and disadvantages and I'm quite happy to switch between the two when the need arises.  It's an in built feature of the game and one I will use to aid my survival.  You say that you use TeamSpeak every now and again, is that because it's advantageous?  The difficulty setting is not hard wired, it's the skill of the guys trying to kill you.

[Pain0815 (DayZ) 23]

...  The difficulty setting is not hard wired, it's the skill of the guys trying to kill you.

 

No skiII needed if you can Iook around obstacIes without expose yourseIf. If you want fair and reaIistic shootouts you need to pIay hardcore.

 

If you dont want them then you can go reguIar. but there the fights are more arcade and unreaIistic. someone can spot you, take aim on you and track you down without getting in sight of you, even for just a second...

 

3rd person view was good for arma coop gamepIay but it destroyes person versus person gamepIay in my eyes.

 

I pIay on rv engine since 2001 and i Iike pIaying arma coop in 3rd but when it comes to pvp 3rd shouId be disabIed.

Edited January 26, 2014 by Pain0815

[tommes 331]

Maybe I do, but that's none of your fucking business and nothing to do with this discussion. 

 

Bottom line is as I already said, RV isn't a first person exclusive experience. I've got no problem with playing within the DayZ parameters and don't need to dictate everyone else's preferences as long as they stay within the parameters. So you already have 1PP exclusive servers and many of them are quite active and yet, you're keeping yourself busy with that's going on on 3PP servers.

 

You can't accept reality, which is this discussion is a moot point.

Why so hostile all the sudden? I just pointed out that people clinging to 3PP obviously have low(er) standards for themselves. If you don't want to accept that then who's in denial?

 

But that's basically the main theme of this whole 3PP:on vs. :off discussion where one side practically does nothing else than telling the other side to fuck off and leave 'em the choice to be low.

Well, don't worry. Nobody's gonna take that choice off you. Especially not me. I don't have the power. I stopped caring anyway. I just hope there will be enough populated 3PP:off servers for the real men amongst us.

[tommes 331]

It's an in built feature of the game...

...that can be turned off easily. But only men do that. Character shows not in what one can't do but in what one refrains of doing despite having the power to.

[Martmital 436]

...that can be turned off easily. But only men do that. Character shows not in what one can't do but in what one refrains of doing despite having the power to.

 

Ah yes, #74 on the 'Man List', play games in nothing but first person...

[dallas 5195]

Why so hostile all the sudden? I just pointed out that people clinging to 3PP obviously have low(er) standards for themselves. If you don't want to accept that then who's in denial?

 

But that's basically the main theme of this whole 3PP:on vs. :off discussion where one side practically does nothing else than telling the other side to fuck off and leave 'em the choice to be low.

Well, don't worry. Nobody's gonna take that choice off you. Especially not me. I don't have the power. I stopped caring anyway. I just hope there will be enough populated 3PP:off servers for the real men amongst us.

 

I just thought adding a little angry acting to this dead discussion would benefit everyone.

 

Edited January 27, 2014 by Dallas

[TEST_SUBJECT_83 465]

How about this?

If the enemy cant be seen in FPP, then said enemy wont be rendered in 3PP until they peek or turn around the corner.

Or, you can implement invisible walls for the camera, so if your against a wall the camera will stop before it lets you see over or around it?

The ladder being my choice.

I personally despise 3PP and wish it removed from the game completely, but I know and except that that will never happen.

DayZ should be a FPP game period, but it's not so people need to except it and think of constructive solutions or just shut up, because bitching and moaning isn't gonna get us anywhere.

[Zombie Jesus 723]

...that can be turned off easily. But only men do that. Character shows not in what one can't do but in what one refrains of doing despite having the power to.

 

Lol hyperbole much? 

 

Men raise children as a good fathers and are good in the community (real life). Children ascribe manliness ratings to inconsequential bullshit. 

[tommes 331]

I raise my children not to use 3PP or other lame shit and believe me, I'd spank that out of you guys too.

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

Both have their advantages. I play on both, mood dependant. If I want immersive experience I go 1st.

Edited January 28, 2014 by Michaelvoodoo25

[DeatHTaX 1217]

...that can be turned off easily. But only men do that. Character shows not in what one can't do but in what one refrains of doing despite having the power to.

 

Or maybe people are just playing a video game the way they want to...I prefer hardcore over reg but i'm not gonna sh*t on someone for wanting to play with 3pp. its their choice, it doesn't make me superior

[eleventhavenue 204]

Well, as KoS put it, 3PP:On is a shit magnet, so don't remove it.

To all those who play on 3PP; Keep it up, you're doing great!

I'm even meeting friendly players nowadays. I guess all the pro snipers are too afraid to get on a server without magical periscopes...

[tommes 331]

Or maybe people are just playing a video game the way they want to...I prefer hardcore over reg but i'm not gonna sh*t on someone for wanting to play with 3pp. its their choice, it doesn't make me superior

Sure they prefer. Sure it's their choice. Sure they can do whatever they want to, but what other than your choices define you as a person...or in this case, as a player?

[Subject42 20]

I like this solution if the hives are strictly disconnected from each other (it shouldn't ever be possible to switch from hardcore to regular and vice versa), so we have the hardcore servers where all that hard mode immersion survival features can be implemented for the real gamers to do business and we have those regular servers where all those noobs and KoS style players can do their little plays :)

[DemonGroover 8836]

Well with 1st/3rd person hives i can now play seriously on Hardcore and be a complete dick on the Regular hives.

 

Sounds great!

[PhillyT 554]

I am thoroughly entertained by the apparent supposition that 1PP players are somehow better than or more capable than 3PP people.

[tommes 331]

I am thoroughly entertained by the apparent supposition that 1PP players are somehow better than or more capable than 3PP people.

Who knows? The 3PP crowd doesn't put itself to the test. They could be great. They just chose not to.

[soulfirez 901]

I am thoroughly entertained by the apparent supposition that 1PP players are somehow better than or more capable than 3PP people.

better or more capable thats subjective but whats not is the fact that playing only in 1st person is harder hence why first person servers are listed as the harder difficulty. So i aint trying to say i am better because i play 1st only but i prefer more of a challenge....

[Karmaterror 982]

Who knows? The 3PP crowd doesn't put itself to the test. They could be great. They just chose not to.

 

3rd users use first for combat all the time, so we choose to have both at our disposal. That completely negates your argument that we are unwilling to try. 1st has a lot of advantages, so does 3rd (outside of combat, for both immersion and story building). Some are great in 1st, but why should that mean when running alone in the woods they carnt enjoy a bit of 3rd, see that gear they worked hours for, connect with the character , tell....there story.

 

You now trying to bait 3rd users by insinuating that they have lower standards is comical. You have no real reasons why the hive split is a bad thing, and the good far outweighs the bad. And thats why you now resort to this bs attempt at smearing 3rd users, by questioning who we are as people.....really just get over it and enjoy the 1st person servers that the devs kindly enabled. Maybe even thank them for doing it.....but no i bet you will just keep on trying to propose that we are lesser people.....most of your posts only enforce the elitest view of most 1st only advocates.. 

 

You attempting to cast judgement on others based on such a trivial yardstick, and the attempt to smear 3rd users, speaks more to your true nature than anything anyone could ever say.

[Chucknorris405 83]

Not a good choice all it does is fragment the community but more importantly it encourages those who exploit this crutch and kills any sort of immersion.

 

FPV only across the board would have been a fantastic change one has to wonder wtf they are thinking by keeping tpv in its current state.

 

If they did first person only they would lose tons of players. Look at which servers are the busiest. I personally hate 3rd person but am forced to play it due to the fact i get sick with any extended amount of time in first person.  No ones way is the best way to play and if we are forced to go with the most popular way 3rd would win out.

[tommes 331]

3rd users use first for combat all the time, so we choose to have both at our disposal. That completely negates your argument that we are unwilling to try.

Try what? 3PP:off? You guys don't. And what argument of mine is negated by that? Don't see one.

1st has a lot of advantages, so does 3rd (outside of combat, for both immersion and story building). Some are great in 1st, but why should that mean when running alone in the woods they carnt enjoy a bit of 3rd, see that gear they worked hours for, connect with the character , tell....there story.

Nobody cares about what you're doing alone in the woods. It's just pretty pathetic if you can't give up 3PP.

 

You now trying to bait 3rd users by insinuating that they have lower standards is comical. You have no real reasons why the hive split is a bad thing, and the good far outweighs the bad.

Baiting? I'm merely stating this unwillingness to give up aides like 3PP says something about what kind of player you are. If you never play games on a harder setting your skill level will always be limited.

Nobody was talking about the hive. Don't give a damn about the hive.

And thats why you now resort to this bs attempt at smearing 3rd users, by questioning who we are as people.....

...as players. But how you play reflects on how you take on things in life as well I believe.

really just get over it and enjoy the 1st person servers that the devs kindly enabled. Maybe even thank them for doing it.....but no i bet you will just keep on trying to propose that we are lesser people.....most of your posts only enforce the elitest view of most 1st only advocates.. 

 

You attempting to cast judgement on others based on such a trivial yardstick, and the attempt to smear 3rd users, speaks more to your true nature than anything anyone could ever say.

Well, most of my judgement derives from the way the 3PP camp behaves in discussions here.

I don't think im elite. You guys just make me stand above by presenting yourself so low.

How about you give me something to see you as level peer?

[Karmaterror 982]

How about giving us an answer to some of the quetions the first crowd coviniently ignores every time. AKA...

 

How does any 3rd exploit effect you while you enjoy your 1st person server?

 

How exactly do we present ourselfs as low? We are all equal....the fact that you need something to see me as a level peer, and dont, by default, treat everyone as such, again enfoces your elitest views. We do not try to force our playstyle as the best, we never try to say that 1st should be removed entirely, because we know others prefer it and ....heres the kicker.....respect how others want to play the game.

 

And btw....comparing 3rd to a easier difficulty is a flawed comparison. Playing in 1st only makes you safer and bypasses something that is a challenge within the game. You have basically made playing easier by making it less likely to be spotted. And this is my point entirely, you assume that 3rd players are the type to not adjust game difficulty to high, thats just false. Id much rather play l4d on expert if im going to do a campain for the challenge. I would play dayz on a real "hardcore" mode with limited loot and harder hitting zombies....but i would still want 3rd.

 

To sum up what i mean.....

 

Dean chose an engine with 3rd perspective

He then chose to list it as a feature

He then chose not to remove it

 

Yet people that like 3rd have low standards....

 

The man just climbed Everest......yeah low standards indeed.

Edited January 28, 2014 by Karmaterror