Ammunition should be extremely rare

[celestiun 4]

Military issue should be relatively rare indeed.

 

Civilian arms and shot should be quite common.

I feel like its more common to find people with M4's and mosins than it is using a revolver or a pistol

which is silly and assult rifle should be an exremely rare item indeed yet every other time (1/2 poeple) i find an M4

as for the ammo I find pile's of it all the time but no pistol clips anywhere to be found! cant use .45 without a clip.

In this new update they noted they would be reducing the rarity of the gun spawns, which i liked because it means less KOS and more feeling out people and drawing a gun when things get really hairy not just at first sight.

[soulfirez 901]

Rare? Yes. "Extremely" rare? I'll pass on that. I'm really not interested in playing a game in which the primary combat mechanic is beating each other over the head with shovels and axes. Because, rest assured, if people don't have ammo they're not suddenly going to stop killing each other. For evidence of this you need only visit the beach at the moment and see how many people try to beat you to death with their bare hands. Lacking ammo doesn't make people friendly.

 

Further, the notion that rare ammo will make people "think before shooting" is misguided in my opinion. If ammo becomes extremely rare, I'm personally going to want to kill you more on the off chance you have a few rounds on you. If I spend 1-2 bullets to murder you and you have more than 2 on you, then I've made an ammo profit on the deal.

Possible true there mate (not against KOS or for it) but if you fire 1 or 2 at a person and miss fire a couple more kill the guy and find you ruined the little ammo he had on him your at a loss or if he wearing jeans and t shirt you may not want to waste any bullets at all.

 

I dont want rare ammo for Pvp prevention lol but because i feel it would be rare or atleast a hell of alot more scarce than it is now lol . In 2 hours going nowhere near mil bases i can be packing 40 plus mossin rounds just seems a little easy but that might just be me

[celestiun 4]

Actually, I am against server bouncing to find equipment - when you reach a military barrack: You can just bounce enough servers to get a complete military set.

And that's not alpha issue at all, but a core game design at the moment.

 

-Ori

^

this is why you always run into bandits with way to much firepower for their own good, they dont care about shooting you up because killing you is worth more to them than anything they found and they can always just go server bouncing to refill their supplies.

Its a problem, and I'm patiently waiting for a fix

[Boonie 216]

i wonder if the ammo spawns will eventually spawn new and different ammo types and at the moment they just spawn what is available, I suppose if it was alpha then that could be the case, oh hang on.... :rolleyes:

[soulfirez 901]

I'm fairly certain that military isn't going to keep one magazine of ammunition in their bases. I myself have thousands of rounds and dozens of magazines for my firearms, and I'm not even military or police. And for that matter, ammo isn't as common as you think, every time I have been through a military base I am lucky to just find an empty FNX mag.

strange cause thats more like the way id like to be finding ammo lol maybe i have just been lucky all the times i have hit bases cause the large ones if i walk away will less than a couple hundred rounds its rare.

 

As i mentioned i can easily acrew ammo for a mossin or an fnx without going near a base ( strangely the only ammo i have trouble finding is the .357

 

Most ammo at a real military base is stored away locked up in a fashion that you wouldnt be able to get at it unless you had alot of time and gear to get it out ( well it is in australia i doubt your countrymen leave there ammo laying about in the military )

Edited January 22, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Hethwill_Khan 233]

Give me marbles and slingshots...

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/165963-name-weapons-that-should-be-in-dayz-sa/page-4#entry1691335

[-MadTommy 367]

Sometimes I wonder if anyone on this forum has any common sense or knows anything about firearms,

 

LOL only a yank would say that.  It is not meant as a insult in any way.. just for most of us common sense and firearm knowledge are not linked :)

[RangerFire 25]

strange cause thats more like the way id like to be finding ammo lol maybe i have just been lucky all the times i have hit bases cause the large ones if i walk away will less than a couple hundred rounds its rare.

 

As i mentioned i can easily acrew ammo for a mossin or an fnx without going near a base ( strangely the only ammo i have trouble finding is the .357

 

I personally feel as though all ammo should be a cross between Mossin and .357 in terms of rarity.  And that mags should be more like the pistol.  It would create interesting standoffs as mags are easily ruined if you take someone down with a gun.  Therefore you would be looking at more hold ups and more interesting banditry.

[Nebulae3 422]

Im not a KOS killer so i am not defending it from that stand point lol but um a 7.62 from 600 m in a un armoured person ( depending on hit location) is um quite lethal in real life sure if your wearing a tac vest with the plates in it ( not yet implemented??) that will stop them but a rain coat lol your going to die or at best be severely screwed up !!

 

Aye, I wear a helmet & vest, so it might be harder.. However, it's not about to KOS - if you see a person spawn near top of the tower at Airfield or sniping nearby the mountainside - the person is there to camp someone else who are unlucky to get spotted by him/her. So it's either you or someone else, but survivial is not to play this game like BF4 or CoD in my opinion.

It's a lot more fun when you are trying to be hidden and observe the environment what's going on the map.

Maybe you hear distant gun fired when you're silent - lets investigate kind of approach without getting involved in fire fights is fun and u save amo! hehe. 

This kitten only use amo to defend myself. 'grin' 

 

-Ori 

Edited January 22, 2014 by Ori42

[soulfirez 901]

Aye, I wear a helmet & vest, so it might be harder.. However, it's not about to KOS - if you see a person spawn near top of the tower at Airfield or sniping nearby the mountainside - the person is there to camp someone else who are unlucky to get spotted by him/her. So it's either you or someone else, but survivial is not to play this game like BF4 or CoD in my opinion.

It's a lot more fun when you are trying to be hidden and observe the environment what's going on the map.

Maybe you hear distant gun fired when you're silent - lets investigate kind of approach without getting involved in fire fights is fun and u save amo! hehe. 

This kitten only use amo to defend myself. 'grin' 

 

-Ori 

The vests in game currently dont have the plates in them so offer little to no small arms fire protection the balistic helm sure it will deflect a glancing shot hit it square on not so much ( depending again on range.)

 

In my last 80 hours of play i have killed 8 people all of them either trying to kill me ( died alot more than 8 times lol) or were camping the spawn areas sniping (kamy and such ) so i felt no need to communicate anything more than a bullet ( hate spawn killers) i usually try communicate when i met someone or avoid depending on situation lol .

 

I find far more joy in interactions with people than shooting them without a word lol 

 

But if i have to shoot someone i dont want it to be like a cod or BF where it takes an unreal amount of bullets hence why i have been for more than 8 years an arma players its a far better simulation of actual combat ..

Edited January 22, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Niner 27]

strange cause thats more like the way id like to be finding ammo lol maybe i have just been lucky all the times i have hit bases cause the large ones if i walk away will less than a couple hundred rounds its rare.

 

As i mentioned i can easily acrew ammo for a mossin or an fnx without going near a base ( strangely the only ammo i have trouble finding is the .357

 

Most ammo at a real military base is stored away locked up in a fashion that you wouldnt be able to get at it unless you had alot of time and gear to get it out ( well it is in australia i doubt your countrymen leave there ammo laying about in the military )

LOL. I know right. Same with the firearms, why are they just laying around the barracks, I would be fairly certain they count the rifles after they fire them at a range. I would love to see the unused military building be turned into an armory, with like, a huge chain around the door and everything, you'd have to have bolt cutters or maybe liquid nitrogen spray to get in there. I can only dream.

[captainvette2112 84]

 

Ammunition should be rare. High caliber ammunition should be extremely rare. 5.56mm shouldn't spawn more then food in some locations.

 

No it shouldnt.... this is a game after all.   Ammo = fun/exciting game experience.

[Raptor05121 32]

First of all, the mosin in real life fires the 7.62x54r round, r for rimmed cartridge. Don't ever stick a Russian 7.62 in your 308 rifle in real life (308 being the same designation as the NATO 7.62x54 round). There is a very minor difference, which is why you must buy that specific ammo for a mosin at the store. The devs do a bad job of defining the round itself in game right now.

 

 

You've got it all wrong.

 

a 7.62x54r is nothing but. There are no other names for it.

 

the "Russian 7.62" or "Soviet 7.62" is the 7.62x39, which is used in the AK-47.

 

A 7.62x51mm NATO and .308 Winchesters are TWO completely different rounds. The 7.62x51 NATO was derived from the .308 Winchester. It typically has less pressures due to a thicker brass wall and less powder.

 

A .308 Winchester is a .308 Winchester. It CAN be interchanged with the 7.52x51 NATO, but there some circumstances where you can and cannot, depending on chamber of the firearm, power, brass thickness, etc. It is the same thing as .223 Remingon vs 5.56x45 NATO.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Raptor05121

[Meeshe 170]

Figure out how to stop server hopping, cool guy, yahoos first please.  Everyone else will be without ammo to fight back against these "heroes" (ahem..sarcasm) when they come griefing with the ill gotten 2000 rounds of ammo that  they gathered up on a bunch of low pop servers.

[Proper Gander 45]

You've got it all wrong.

 

a 7.62x54r is nothing but. There are no other names for it.

 

the "Russian 7.62" or "Soviet 7.62" is the 7.62x39, which is used in the AK-47.

 

A 7.62x51mm NATO and .308 Winchesters are TWO completely different rounds. The 7.62x51 NATO was derived from the .308 Winchester. It typically has less pressures due to a thicker brass wall and less powder.

 

A .308 Winchester is a .308 Winchester. It CAN be interchanged with the 7.52x51 NATO, but there some circumstances where you can and cannot, depending on chamber of the firearm, power, brass thickness, etc. It is the same thing as .223 Remingon vs 5.56x45 NATO.

 

Thank you!

[hatesauce 99]

Reducing ammo wont do anything but make it more scarce on a given server. People will just do what they always do to get ammo: Server hop.

 

The way things are right now, per server, ammo spawns are not that common.

[Mehsiah 2]

please tell me where you can find enough mags to fill a large backpack in one place. i would say that you are very highly exaggerating 

 

I spent about 30 mins to 1 hour last night (2 server hops) at the W Airstrip... Filled up 1 ammo box of 5.56/ another box is 85% full. Also found 3x 60/60's carts.

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

No it shouldnt.... this is a game after all.   Ammo = fun/exciting game experience.

*antigame

 

Its supposed to be realistic and harsh, not necessarily fun/exciting.

[Whyherro123 2283]

In the final product, there should be far more "civilian" weapons, with accompanying ammunition, than purely "military" guns and ammo. Shotguns, bolt-action rifles, and handguns should appear far more often, if only for the simple fact that there are (were? zombie apocalypse after all) far more civilians in Chernarus than military personnel. Plus, "civilian" arms should be more "useful" than military ones, especially for hunting. Example: shotguns, shot for hunting, slugs for people. vice versa/etc

[MethHeadMario 27]

ORLY.

 

You are pointing out an obvious problem since the beginning of the game...the flaw in the loot system. I don't think they will ever get rid of that problem as long as they use this method of spawning items. And to the "It's an alpha it's an alpha" preachers, it's not an alpha problem.

 

Let's wait until they add more russian weapons, this game reeks too western anyway.

 

What you are NOT understanding is that this is a testing phase of the game and how can they test the game if they make items to rare to be found often enough to test. IT IS ALPHA !!!

But you are right about it not being an Alpha problem because it is NOT a problem.. This is something you would worry about in an open beta or maybe even closed beta but not Alpha.

You also have to think about how many items are in the game (and den) how many items there will be in the game in 6 months or so. Items will get thinned out as new items are moved in.. What method of spawning items would you put into the game?

[-MadTommy 367]

It would be much more fun if when you get ambushed by bandits they were mostly armed with axes and bats.. with the odd shotgun or pistol with minimal ammo.  Getting attacked would be much more intense and fun than the ..blam blam that we have now.

Edited January 23, 2014 by MadTommy

[blurhitz 244]

Yeah last time I had 320 bullets counting in my backpack.... '-'

[Lancer 2-2 14]

Military issue should be relatively rare indeed.

 

Civilian arms and shot should be quite common.

 

 

Military equipment and ammo should be available in military camps like it is now, but I find the problem is the number of military camps available. In the mod (vanilla) we had NWAF, NEAF, there was some stuff around Balota but I never found anything there, then the spread out hunting towers and the rare re-spawning chopper crash site.

 

In the SA we have NWAF, NEAF, NE ship wreck, Balota, Zelenogorsk, the military base not far from zelenogorsk, a military base south of the NWAF.

 

So in terms of military weapons, ammunition, uniform and other gear it is in plenty of stock given the number of areas.

 

I believe the military base at Zelenogorsk should be removed, the base south of the NWAF also removed and Balota transformed into a civilian airstrip.

 

Hunting Rifles and rifle ammunition, binoculars, hunting backpacks should be rare spawns in the hunting towers.

Mosin Nagant should be able to spawn anywhere, but also rare along with it's ammunition.

 

Then you have two versions of the AK, military version which spawns in the military camps which can also have rails for attachments, then the regular wooden stock civilian one which is a rare random spawn, but of course both share ammo so ammo for this can be a little more common as will be ammo for shotguns which could be found almost anywhere, especially barns (I miss barns, they used to be a key location in the mod but are now useless, cannot even find wood in them).

 

Pistols, well we should have a more civilian model pistol which could be found almost anywhere (not common) a long with ammo, the magnum should be rarer with military pistols restricted to the bases.

 

Btw regarding the scopes (Woodland Warrior), I don't know if it is just my bad luck, but I have so far only found one "worn" quality red dot scope for an M4 (which vanished after this latest patch) and so far I have found 3 PU scopes, 2 ACOG and 1 other red dot all damaged, badly damaged or ruined and so nearly pointless to use.

 

 

I don't have a problem with the ammo, it is just how many military bases we have, especially now the map feels small after you get the gist of knowing your way around.