So, about the Mosin's new compensator...

[-Gews- 7443]

So we're getting this new muzzle device for the Mosin.

What does it do? It increases accuracy.

By how much? Same as a bipod plus prone.

Does it reduce recoil or muzzle flip? Nope.

So that got me thinking:

Yeeeeah, almost time to drop those M4s... if that compensator can do that for the Mosin, looks like the AK-74's gonna be insane.

[BuddyRP 41]

would be really nice to see more parts for the mosin especially something like that. nice find

[Timecharge 28]

where did you find this weapon part? looks like you are in a barn but did you find it in there or are you just inspecting it in there?

 

secondly, have you tested it? if so is it like the long-ranged scope where as it gets more and more damaged it becomes less effective?

Edited January 22, 2014 by Timecharge

[-Gews- 7443]

where did you find this weapon part? looks like you are in a barn but did you find it in there or are you just inspecting it in there?

Not my screen; Phantasm found it on a test server. It's been there since the day of release, it just wasn't added to the loot.

Btw, this thread is mostly about the AK-74M's muzzle device...

[Deity 54]

Not my screen; Phantasm found it on a test server. It's been there since the day of release, it just wasn't added to the loot.

Btw, this thread is mostly about the AK-74M's muzzle device...

The muzzle device itself if I'm not mistaken is stock, so if you wanted to use a suppressor/silencer you would have to remove the muzzle break on the end, or at least I hope that's how BI does it

Edited January 22, 2014 by Deity

[-Gews- 7443]

The muzzle device itself if I'm not mistaken is stock, so if you wanted to use a suppressor/silencer you would have to remove the muzzle break on the end. 

 

Yes.

 

 

Anyways the AK-74's device looks almost exactly the same as the one we will soon be finding for the Mosin. It's likely to be better designed as well.

 

 

 

So logically, the AK-74 should get from its muzzle device, by default, the same accuracy-enhancing benefits that the Mosin gets from its compensator, no?

 

 

 

Should be a fully-automatic laser beam.

[Areos (DayZ) 106]

It matters little to me in the end. The moment a proper battle rifle is introduced, I'll be all over it like flies on shit.

[Deity 54]

Yes.

 

 

Anyways the AK-74's device looks almost exactly the same as the one we will soon be finding for the Mosin. It's likely to be better designed as well.

 

 

 

So logically, the AK-74 should get from its muzzle device, by default, the same accuracy-enhancing benefits that the Mosin gets from its compensator, no?

 

 

 

Should be a fully-automatic laser beam.

It probably will actually but not the same extent. Got to take into account the barrel length of the Mosin compared to the Ak-47M, and the fact we're comparing a bolt action to a fully automatic gun. Idk too much about the 5.45 round compared to the 5.56 either.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Deity

[The Beast of Chernarus 20]

So many threads, so many people to teach about guns. Ok what you see there is a compensator, basically to help use the muzzle blast from reducing the barrel rise due to recoil. It allows for more follow up shots, at the expense of a louder report from the gun.

 

Will it make your Ak47/74/2000 and more accurate?  No. Again it alloaws for a faster follow through, so better shot placement but your AK's accuracy will be relatively be the same. The issue with the AK not being as accurate as the M4 or the Nagant has to do with the design flaw, wel not flaw per se but how it was designed. The gas tube which is bigger than the M4 is attached to the barrel that pushes a big piston connected to it. In the M4 the gas passes through the barrle which the pushes the bolt assembly in the reciever rather than attached to the barrel, so the AK has a lot of flex when you fire it (slow mo picts on Youtube would show you how much  flex compared to others). This causes it to not be as accurate as the M4 and certainly not as accurate a s abolt action rifle like the Nagant.

Why this design? Remember it was designed with Soviet tactics in mind where there is a massive charge, your job is to unload as much ammo on the enemy while running en masse... this is also why the first firing position for its lever is the "Auto" then the "Semi"

[Deity 54]

So many threads, so many people to teach about guns. Ok what you see there is a compensator, basically to help use the muzzle blast from reducing the barrel rise due to recoil. It allows for more follow up shots, at the expense of a louder report from the gun.

 

Will it make your Ak47/74/2000 and more accurate?  No. Again it alloaws for a faster follow through, so better shot placement but your AK's accuracy will be relatively be the same. The issue with the AK not being as accurate as the M4 or the Nagant has to do with the design flaw, wel not flaw per se but how it was designed. The gas tube which is bigger than the M4 is attached to the barrel that pushes a big piston connected to it. In the M4 the gas passes through the barrle which the pushes the bolt assembly in the reciever rather than attached to the barrel, so the AK has a lot of flex when you fire it (slow mo picts on Youtube would show you how much  flex compared to others). This causes it to not be as accurate as the M4 and certainly not as accurate a s abolt action rifle like the Nagant.

Why this design? Remember it was designed with Soviet tactics in mind where there is a massive charge, your job is to unload as much ammo on the enemy while running en masse... this is also why the first firing position for its lever is the "Auto" then the "Semi"

Which AK-74 are you referring to btw? The one's that use the 7.62 or the 5.45?

[-Gews- 7443]

I may as well come out and say it plainly: I hate how this device has been implemented and this thread is sarcastic.

 

I'm pointing out how the new compensator's dispersion-removing effects make absolutely no sense.

 

Nor is it at all consistent when you have the same device stuck on AK-74s by default.

 

 

 

 

What, does it turn the Mosin into some kind of Wunderwaffe, but the same device does nothing on a Kalashnikov?

[The Beast of Chernarus 20]

Which AK-74 are you referring to btw? The one's that use the 7.62 or the 5.45?

Both, the design is virtually the same. Hell even for my AK-2000 that uses the 5.56, its not the round but the design of the gas chamber.

[Deity 54]

I may as well come out and say it plainly: I hate how this device has been implemented and this thread is sarcastic.

 

I'm pointing out how the new compensator's dispersion-removing effects make absolutely no sense.

 

Nor is it at all consistent when you have the same device stuck on AK-74s by default.

 

 

 

 

What, does it turn the Mosin into some kind of Wunderwaffe, but the same device does nothing on a Kalashnikov?

What do you mean it doesn't make sense? It helps eat some of the recoil the gun has when it fires, by re-directing the forces from the bullet when it's fired up and back towards you, and, this is something we need to keep, it has a bigger muzzle flash and noise as well if I'm not mistaken

[-Gews- 7443]

What do you mean it doesn't make sense? It helps eat some of the recoil the gun has when it fires, by re-directing the forces from the bullet when it's fired up and back towards you, and, this is something we need to keep, it has a bigger muzzle flash and noise as well if I'm not mistaken

 

You're thinking real life.

 

It doesn't reduce recoil, redirect any gas or change the noise and flash in-game.

 

Like I said, it just gives your gun the same accuracy as bipod plus prone. That doesn't make any sense.

[The Beast of Chernarus 20]

You're thinking real life.

 

It doesn't reduce recoil, redirect any gas or change the noise and flash in-game.

 

Like I said, it just gives your gun the same accuracy as bipod plus prone. That doesn't make any sense.

Maybe they are working on it, it will not be a wonder weapon, just control the recoil so it would be faster for you to work the action and fire. More useful for the AK really as that thing goes full auto. Most use it in the nagant cause in real life its recoil is a bitch.

[Deity 54]

You're thinking real life.

 

It doesn't reduce recoil, redirect any gas or change the noise and flash in-game.

 

Like I said, it just gives your gun the same accuracy as bipod plus prone. That doesn't make any sense.

Ah yeah I see your point. (sorry brains not really on right now had a long day lol). Yeah they wouldn't or at least shouldn't help with accuracy unless we're talking about shooting multiple targets as fast as you can, I know I'm talking about real life again, but to straight up add accuracy is stupid and makes no logical sense at all.

[rickenbacker 190]

You're thinking real life.

 

It doesn't reduce recoil, redirect any gas or change the noise and flash in-game.

 

Like I said, it just gives your gun the same accuracy as bipod plus prone. That doesn't make any sense.

 

OK, that's just wrong. Especially considering that the devs seem to focus on fairly accurate weapons handing so far. A muzzle brake shouldn't affect accuracy at all, only recoil and muzzle climb. Which of course would make it very nearly pointless on a bolt action rifle, but then that's why they generally don't have them in the real world.

[Capo 323]

Reckon the devs dropped the ball on this one, 

 

first point - that muzzle brake is for the m44 model of mosin nagant, not the m91/30 that we use in game.

What affect does this have you ask? well:

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mosin-nagant/60152-91-30-muzzle-break.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090209063659AAZtbHz

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120226203009AASObBC

http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3556

 

basically attaching an m44 clamp compensator to an m91/30, from what I gathered from those websites, means that eventually you're going to end up shooting your own muzzle off. Because they don't fit that model. 

 

Secondly, a muzzle brake reduces kick, it doesn't make it easier to hold steady, some kind of explanation from the devs would be nice, i can understand if this is an alpha thing and they're just testing it, but i dunno why they couldn't have just made the gun have a better accuracy in the first place.

 

Extra attachments for weapons are always great, but don't go around adding things that 

A - wouldn't work for that weapon

B - don't work as they should

 

the bipod and lrs work great,

the PU scope needs to have it's zoom corrected, and then it too will be a beautiful and useful addition to the mosin. There's no reason to be silly though. 

Edited January 27, 2014 by Capo

[KingOfTime 267]

It probably will actually but not the same extent. Got to take into account the barrel length of the Mosin compared to the Ak-47M, and the fact we're comparing a bolt action to a fully automatic gun. Idk too much about the 5.45 round compared to the 5.56 either.

The AK variant that I used to own did not have a compensator, but it was chambered in 5.45x39. The recoil was basically non existent, but the lack of any kind of compensator added a lot of muzzle climb in between shots. All I really know about the 5.56vs5.45 is that the 5.45 will have better penetration, but the 5.56 will cause more damage(potentially, Ive heard that if the bullet doesnt fragment on impact, then it doesnt have much stopping power). In an apocalypse scenario like DayZ, I would take an AK over an M4. Why? Cause an AK can have the shit kicked out of it...even having the bolt get rusted shut, and as long as you can hammer the thing to be unstuck, it will still fire and cycle just fine.

[rickenbacker 190]

I may as well come out and say it plainly: I hate how this device has been implemented and this thread is sarcastic.

 

I'm pointing out how the new compensator's dispersion-removing effects make absolutely no sense.

 

Nor is it at all consistent when you have the same device stuck on AK-74s by default.

 

We don't know how the AK family will be modeled in the game yet. But I agree about the weapons modeling, using a "cone of dispersion" to simulate the human factor, unfortunately causes counterintuitive solutions like this.

 

Putting a compensator/muzzle brake on a real life Mosin wouldn't really do anything. It sure as hell wouldn't make it more accurate, the best result you could hope for would be to enable the user to fire it more times before getting a sore shoulder, and making very slightly faster followup shots. Which is useless in a bolt action anyway.

[deebz1234 243]

it took them 5 posts to understand your initial post haha.

 

im glad you explained it eventually...

[deewd22 32]

So many threads, so many people to teach about guns. Ok what you see there is a compensator, basically to help use the muzzle blast from reducing the barrel rise due to recoil. It allows for more follow up shots, at the expense of a louder report from the gun.

Will it make your Ak47/74/2000 and more accurate? No. Again it alloaws for a faster follow through, so better shot placement but your AK's accuracy will be relatively be the same. The issue with the AK not being as accurate as the M4 or the Nagant has to do with the design flaw, wel not flaw per se but how it was designed. The gas tube which is bigger than the M4 is attached to the barrel that pushes a big piston connected to it. In the M4 the gas passes through the barrle which the pushes the bolt assembly in the reciever rather than attached to the barrel, so the AK has a lot of flex when you fire it (slow mo picts on Youtube would show you how much flex compared to others). This causes it to not be as accurate as the M4 and certainly not as accurate a s abolt action rifle like the Nagant.

Why this design? Remember it was designed with Soviet tactics in mind where there is a massive charge, your job is to unload as much ammo on the enemy while running en masse... this is also why the first firing position for its lever is the "Auto" then the "Semi"

Youre right, but the weapon does not get louder with a compensator, the flash out of the barrel gets drastically more visible. Edited January 27, 2014 by deewd22

[wild_man 4442]

I wish they stop this obsess about M4 :|

 

is America gun don't belong in chernarus and attachment is too much comedy thing

 

everywhere in this country guys stashing USA specialist weapon attach :D

 

WHERE IS #1 GUN FOR EAST EUROPE AND ALL WORLD??? :huh:

 

AK belong there is millions around in this part of world FOR REAL!!!

 

M4 is waste of developer time and efforts :|

 

I prefer standard AK maybe 2 variant with zero attach instead we have BF4 weapon bullshit :huh:

 

I refuse to use m4 is fuck my immersion too much >:(

 

thanks to god for MOSIN!!! :rolleyes:

 

on topic compensator seem to reduce recoil for me :)

Edited January 27, 2014 by KoS

[Space Milk 195]

I'm still scratching my head on why the devs added the muzzle brake to bolt action...

[Proper Gander 45]

Since we're off-topic already, where exactly is Chernarus located, and what is it's recent political background?  I ask because the nation of Georgia apparently has the M4 has its standard rifle.  As for the "realism" of weapons and their characteristics, I don't think that Gews has been incorrect yet (and I hope that the devs do take notice).