M4 in your hands and Mosin on your back, or visa versa?

[extremistcouch 9]

I would say it depends on the type of area you are in, if you are in the city you can expect close combat encounters making the m4 the best choice.

if you are closing in on a city or are out there in the open then mosin is generally the better choice.

[extremistcouch 9]

did i just triple posted? sorry

[dallas 5195]

^^ ;)

Prefer M4.

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

I would say it's not worth carrying two rifles at all.  Better off with the Mosin and a handgun.

This.

 

After killing a bandit carrying a pristine M4 (mine was mostly broken), a Mosin with long range scope (which was nice as I was looking for one) and an FNX45, I realised I couldn't carry both rifles at once and had to make a choice about which one I should take. I opted for the Mosin, and here is my reasoning...

 

1) M4 is very good at close quarters, but not so much at range.

2) FNX45 is good at close quarters, and not at all at range

3) Mosin is excellent at long range but far too cumbersome for close quarters

 

The choice is a fairly logical one for me. To be combat effective, one needs to be able to engage at range and at close quarters. Given you can only really carry one rifle without fannying about throwing stuff on the floor, and the M4 doesn't really do range, the Mosin is the obvious choice. I deemed the huge advantage at range for the Mosin to outweigh the effectiveness of the M4 in close quarters compared to the pistol. Plus I don't have to fanny about throwing stuff on the floor to use a different weapon.

[somethingbloody 118]

Fuck it. Too much fiddling. I carry a Mosin, .357 and a 45. If they make the M4 receivers a component I might keep it in my pack for a friend or a freshie who seems trustworthy enough.

Actually, that would be quite good. Offer a freshie an M4, drop it on the ground as components. Tell him you will shoot him if he draws it.

[IJx 1]

M4 roughly 4kg with rounds

Mosin roughly 4kg

 

Thats 8kg + some crap in backpack ( usually a lot ) - seems like a huge weight to carry around.

 

 

But yeah - if your into pvp m4/mosin - huge benefits. 

 

Mmm Not really, considering that I ain't the most built guy myself, and when I take long hiking trips, i've got at least 32kg of stuff with me in a backpack (that's mounted with a frame, of course).

[byrgesen 1341]

Mmm Not really, considering that I ain't the most built guy myself, and when I take long hiking trips, i've got at least 32kg of stuff with me in a backpack (that's mounted with a frame, of course).

 

But do you run for 50km all day long with that gear?

I think not mate :) Or you would be very very fit hehe.

Sure i go hiking alot aswell, with 20-30kg of gear, but i sure as hell cant even run 5km with that without having to take a long break.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Byrgesen

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

Fuck it. Too much fiddling. I carry a Mosin, .357 and a 45. If they make the M4 receivers a component I might keep it in my pack for a friend or a freshie who seems trustworthy enough.

Actually, that would be quite good. Offer a freshie an M4, drop it on the ground as components. Tell him you will shoot him if he draws it.

Being able to completely strip an M4 and store it in a backpack appeals to me for some reason. And, like you say, you could give the bits to someone knowing it'll take them enough time to put together that you'll be able to slip away without getting shot in the back. This would also give the option of introducing more components to make different versions of the M4 (like the Mk18 CQBR, with its shorter upper receiver/barrel). The same could also apply to the AK-47/74M and its variants.

Similarly, being able to strip a pistol down into its component parts (frame and slide) means they can be gifted with a lower risk and introduces the option of further customisable parts (different slides, for example, polymer frames for reduced weight, that sort of thing).

Edited January 20, 2014 by Monkfish

[-Gews- 7443]

Mosin in your hands and Mosin on your back >>>

[Nainakai 42]

Most of the time, I go with a mosin on the back, fnx/magnum sidearm. 

 I have at times carried a second mosin in my hands for no reason but making sure no one else found it.

 

If it was viable, and did not slow me down, I would go with a M4 in my hands, mosin on the back.

 

 You can not climb a ladder with a item/weapon in your hands ,-  However: If you're going down a ladder, you can drop the weapon on it, hop on the ladder, and then while in first person, just take the weapon into your hands and continue the climb down, I have been unable to do this when going up a ladder though. 

 Oh, and on a sidenote - if you climb down a ladder like that, you have to drop the weapon on the ground and pick it back up once you get down, because it acts rather strange if you'd try to shoot with it.

 

 *Edit*

 

 Would be neat if we at some point will be able to find three-point slings so we don't have to throw our rifles on our backs before climbing.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Nainakai

[somethingbloody 118]

Being able to completely strip an M4 and store it in a backpack appeals to me for some reason. And, like you say, you could give the bits to someone knowing it'll take them enough time to put together that you'll be able to slip away without getting shot in the back. This would also give the option of introducing more components to make different versions of the M4 (like the Mk18 CQBR, with its shorter upper receiver/barrel). The same could also apply to the AK-47/74M and its variants.

Similarly, being able to strip a pistol down into its component parts (frame and slide) means they can be gifted with a lower risk and introduces the option of further customisable parts (different slides, for example, polymer frames for reduced weight, that sort of thing).

I like that idea. The component system would allow for more gun variation without having to actually make entirely new guns.

Hold up, this just made me remember the HK417. That fires 7.62x51. I'm not sure it is actually as modular as the M4 though. I imagine the only thing that would mount on that would be the stock.

[AlfalphaCat 66]

But do you run for 50km all day long with that gear?

I think not mate :) Or you would be very very fit hehe.

Sure i go hiking alot aswell, with 20-30kg of gear, but i sure as hell cant even run 5km with that without having to take a long break.

 

Right, and that is a pack that he probably takes the time and effort to pack in a balanced manner.  Can you get a long rifle in there, or you gonna just let it flop around on your back.  You could strap it onto a pack, but that would make it inconvenient to use.

 

The word cumbersome was created for a reason.  Feasibility is not all about the weight of items.

Edited January 21, 2014 by AlfalphaCat

[minime1000 78]

M4 in hand. Will dominate medium to close range and at long ranges you can suppress before changing to nugget.

[korpisoturi (DayZ) 127]

M4 with pristine MP parts and acog. Mosin sucks ass if you don't hit with first shot.

[Sencha 100]

Neither, I keep a pistol in my pocket so people can't see that I'm armed. Because running around with a mosin or an m4 is just begging to be shot on sight.

 

 

I like that idea. The component system would allow for more gun variation without having to actually make entirely new guns.

Hold up, this just made me remember the HK417. That fires 7.62x51. I'm not sure it is actually as modular as the M4 though. I imagine the only thing that would mount on that would be the stock.

 

The HK417 is basically an HK416 that fires a larger round, and the HK416 is basically just an M4 of overall higher quality manufacturing. It's actually more like a G36 than an M4, but the technicalities of piston systems would probably go right over your head. Sufficed to say, to the layman it looks like an AR15, it functions like an AR15, but it's German made, so it's better than an AR15.

 

When it comes down to German vs American weaponry, you always go with German.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Sencha

[blacklabel79 949]

M4 with pristine MP parts and acog. Mosin sucks ass if you don't hit with first shot.

 

in soviet russia mosin sucks you...oh wait that came out wrong.

[Blazing87 14]

M4A1 in hands and another M4A1 in my inventory :D .Have the long rage scope and a bipod,i only need the mosin now.

[Boonie 216]

I tried this yesterday, spent a good 3 hours getting pristine parts for my M4 had a mosin with LR scope on my back. Went and had a drink from a well when my M4 disappears although my character still has his hands in the holding weapon positions. The gun has gone! Bizarre but its alpha so I can live with it.

 

When looting I found it a pain as I couldn't access any of my protector cases or ammo boxes when holding both guns so I took to hiding my mosin and retrieving it after a loot run. Think 1 weapon will be the future for me oh and my 357 for clearing houses.

[Mr Jizz 313]

What happens if you have one in your hands and one on your back when you log out? Sorry if its a stupid question, but it basically makes/breaks the whole matter from my POV.

[InflatedLyric 39]

What happens if you have one in your hands and one on your back when you log out? Sorry if its a stupid question, but it basically makes/breaks the whole matter from my POV.

when logging back in use your hotbar, I usually move mosin to my hands the fnx45. The M4 drops to the ground. If I hit mosin hotkey and then the M4 hotkey, the M4 shows in my hands and on the ground. So I end up dropping it to pick it up off the ground anyway.

[Judopunch 523]

The only con is that you have to put one of them down to change weapons. It's not a very rich discussion topic.

Thats your opinion. And your either simple or just want to feel superior. There are clear advantages for having to drop each weapon in favor of the other one. If you cant see the strategic impact, you should find another forum to troll.

[excitable1 156]

m4 in hand..mosin on back....pistol in back pack along with sawed off shotty...

[real meatshield 424]

Neither. One or the other but not both. Too cumbersome to switch or retain them.

I will do both, if I find a good one and a friend is in need... but thats it.

[ploulaf 89]

I'd like some pros and cons.  Sacriel said something about it the other day, but I wasn't really paying attention.  

in an ideal world, it's the way to go. you can handle any combat situation. It's awesome to be able to snipe AND to spray and pray, and you can switch weapon depending on what the situation is. Plus you look incredibly badass with 2 guns.

 

Reality check: it's a pain in the ass. Can't sprint fast, and always have to put your gun on the floor and pick it up at any action you do, eat, climb ladders and so on. Result: you are stuck to the place your gun is and whatever is happening, if you want to see it again you'll have to get your ass back where you left it. That means no panic flee to a far place.

 

The only thing that could be cool is leaving the mosin somewhere strategic, let's say a rooftop. Then switch to M4, leaving mosin there when enemies enter the close-range-area. But again, worst enemy is server respawn in that case.

 

 

 

If you travel a lot: M4 or mosin+gun, my 2 cents. Find a friend to get the other rifle and play side by side. Plus, it's cooler to be two than to be you.

Dual rifle is to establish a camp, put mosin at strategic place and leave it there.

Edited February 6, 2014 by ploulaf

[Nails 150]

Its like Battlelog in here.

 

Please don't demean all of us lol. For all of it's arguments I actually think this forum is somewhat productive.

 

As for OP's question: I think SKS replaces one of the weapons in question.