Third person view removal from SA discussion

[svisketyggeren 662]

Dunno if it has been mentioned before in the thread...very few ppl think about it. When ur in 3rd person view there is no way for another player to know what direction u are looking at. Ur character may look one way while u look the other...makes it hard to sneak up on 3rd person users. Just another example of how 3rd person view destroys tactical gameplay.

[Karmaterror 982]

Dunno if it has been mentioned before in the thread...very few ppl think about it. When ur in 3rd person view there is no way for another player to know what direction u are looking at. Ur character may look one way while u look the other...makes it hard to sneak up on 3rd person users. Just another example of how 3rd person view destroys tactical gameplay.

 

Never in all my time on Arma 2 or Dayz have i encountered that (and i got alot of hours logged) . Sure thats not lag, or they didnt just see ya with free look? Any links to show this happening?

[Ken Bean 175]

Dunno if it has been mentioned before in the thread...very few ppl think about it. When ur in 3rd person view there is no way for another player to know what direction u are looking at. Ur character may look one way while u look the other...makes it hard to sneak up on 3rd person users. Just another example of how 3rd person view destroys tactical gameplay.

So instead of fixing it, you are removing it? That's for sure the best way to handle things. Hope your doc doesn't think the same.

Edit: Also what Karmaterror said.

Anyway, there are populated 1st person server out there. The Oculus Rift will at least fix the limitations of my monitor. It's just weird and brocken that you stay in the middle of an open field and can't see shit.

Really. This always breaks it, I'd go mad with that 1st person view only. And frankly, how are you not recogniseing it? Hey, totaly immersion, lets look through that shoe carton.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Ken Bean

[captainvette2112 84]

As said, first person view feels limited and trapped.

Especially if I'm in the middle of nowhere in the game, I have to "escape" that opressive limitedness.

Sorry, if I cant describe it better, but that's how broken 1st person view for me is.

It also has it's roleplayelements. I want to see my character doing survival stuff.

And I don't know where my ingame body exactly is. Can't tell if the feed are in or outside that bush.

 

You just hit on another HUGE point beyond the pure mechanics of the shitty first person view in this game.  Watching your character doing stuff. 

 

This is after all a kind of hybrid MMO not a full blown shooter is it not?  There is a reason MMO's are 3rd person... so that you can view your character interacting with the world

[roguetrooper 201]

3rd person is not cheating. That what everybody can do or has access to is not cheating. It may be unrealistic, but it isn't cheating.

 

Concerning realism. How can sitting in a soft chair in a warm room with a fridge and microwave in range be a realistic simulation of survival "out there"... in a world with fantasy monsters. How can hitting a few keys in a chair be realistic survival? Reading the word "bleeding" on a screen does not make you feel pain. Rendered rain does not make you feel coldness.

 

The idea with not rendering movable objects (I would add everything lootable/takeable) when the characters' eyes can't see them is quite interesting.

 

In my personal opinion in 1st-person-only-view there is something missing in comparison to real-life-view (I think this is what mentioned "situal awareness" is referring to). RL view somehow feels like a mix of ingame 1st and ingame 3rd person view though you can't see anything your RL-eyes have no direct line of sight to (excluding mirrors or optical devices).

[Ken Bean 175]

The idea with not rendering movable objects (I would add everything lootable/takeable) when the characters' eyes can't see them is quite interesting.

Yep, but one still should hear them though.

In my personal opinion in 1st-person-only-view there is something missing in comparison to real-life-view (I think this is what mentioned "situal awareness" is referring to). RL view somehow feels like a mix of ingame 1st and ingame 3rd person view though you can't see anything your RL-eyes have no direct line of sight to (excluding mirrors or optical devices).

QFT

(sad thing is you can say that a billion times and one...)

[Ken Bean 175]

Why should we care who leave the game any way? As long as you already paid, from a business perspective whether you stay or not doesn't really hurt future sales.

I get the feeling DayZ was adopted by people who are not part of the target demographic for FPS games.

There indeed are other games. If DayZ loses it's flavour, then..

People are only playing what they want to.

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

I like the 3rd person view, The map is too good for it to be singles out as 1st.

 

As they say everywhere "If you don't like it, don't use it"

 

And for the advantages it has, it has negatives also, like aiming and firing in a straight line (I know because I'm shite at shooting in 3rd)  Yeah you can look over walls but when the new sound is implimented hopefully this can add further immersion for 1st person players.

 

Lets be honest most don't like 3rd because they are scared of losing their gear, plain and simple.

[svisketyggeren 662]

Having a minority detrmentily effect our game experiance because they are not happy with what they have been given (which is pretty much what they wanted) is shitty. You want thousands of people to change how they play bases on a vocal few. 

 

 

Why do u say 1st person users are a minority...all polls in the past indicate 1st person users to be a strong majority in the game.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Why do u say 1st person users are a minority...all polls in the past indicate 1st person users to be a strong majority in the game.

Not even close. There are far more 3rd person players than 1st person. They just don't bother going on to the forums. They're too busy enjoying the game..... in 3PV. :D

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Not even close. There are far more 3rd person players than 1st person. They just don't bother going on to the forums. They're too busy enjoying the game..... in 3PV. :D

By choice or because it's kind of mandatory to remain competitive?

[Karmaterror 982]

Why do u say 1st person users are a minority...all polls in the past indicate 1st person users to be a strong majority in the game.

 

look at the server numbers, 1st are de-populating already and 3rd still packed.  Like medic says most are just silently happy with the game.

 

 

By choice or because it's kind of mandatory to remain competitive?

 

Plenty of level playing field space in those 1st servers...no need for 3rd to be competitive there ;)

Edited January 5, 2014 by Karmaterror

[BwickFS39 9]

By choice or because it's kind of mandatory to remain competitive?

Alot of people I know use if for by choice smiply from the days of playing ACE2 on Arma 2. I use it by a combination of choice and for medical purposes. I honestly believe from my experiace in Arma 2 that 3rd person provides a better experaince by that is just me. It is already nearly impossible to hit anyone beyond 20 feet in 3rd person anyways. Hip firing should never as accurate as ADS. And for you who say 3rd persons ruins immersion I don't think so, I honestly think it adds because atleast in my mind It feels way more fuild then first person, and makes the game feel more that way also. Heres an idea lock the FOV to a low setting to nerf any advantage you think it gives. I honestly do not see any advantages because 9 times out of 10 an engagment will be at distance and you won't be corner camp. And oh that brings me to another point get rid of 3rd person get rid of lean because you easliy still camp corners in 1st person. Thats just my 2 cents on the issue.

[JoakimTAA 4]

Not the problem. If people want first person servers let them go enjoy unpopulated servers. The rest of us shouldn't be forced into a first person server because they can't handle not being able to camp a corner.

Third person makes for so boring combat though.. Just standing behind a wall and popping out to shoot when the enemy is not looking. With first person you have to listen, risk by peaking corners and actually show yourself to see the enemy. When ever i get in a fight now it is just 3p behind a wall looking towards the enemy waiting for him to make a move, which is WAY more campy than 1st person! 

[reapers239 57]

I really hate this "My play style" mentality forced on other player, we have an option in the game and options are always good. Demanding to remove something is narrow thinking when its working fine. If you don't like third person view then don't hit enter on your number pad. If also you really hate still how it is, go play something else or better yet go make you own game. Again pointless thread and when it has been talked over to death and third person is still here.

Like I said I use both and I like both for different reasons, though I play in first person most of the time.

[dallas 5195]

Why should we care who leave the game any way? As long as you already paid, from a business perspective whether you stay or not doesn't really hurt future sales.

I get the feeling DayZ was adopted by people who are not part of the target demographic for FPS games.

DayZ is not a fps.

DayZ mod was not a fps.

ArmA 3, ArmA 2 and Armed Assault weren't fps games either.

Operation Flashpoint wasn't either.

It could be played like a fps true, but it would also be played a third person game or as a RTS in tactical view. We've be having a completely other discussion, if DayZ mod had always been restricted to fps and if the DayZ standalone had launched as a strictly fps, but now we're just day dreaming.

And while we all can fantasize about "if I were in control, I'd simply delete all the features I don't like" reality is that you can't simply remove the most popular feature, when you've already moved 825,000 copies over the counter. This like saying, "If I was Rocket, I'd remove PvP tomorrow" and you'd be really disconnected from reality, if you didn't expect a major public backlash.

It's not third person players's responsibility, that first person players are disloyal to first person servers. If you want to play on full servers, you gotta be willing to fill up the servers yourself, instead of asking for affirmative action so third person players will be forced to join the servers, you, yourself has abandoned.

Dunno if it has been mentioned before in the thread...very few ppl think about it. When ur in 3rd person view there is no way for another player to know what direction u are looking at. Ur character may look one way while u look the other...makes it hard to sneak up on 3rd person users. Just another example of how 3rd person view destroys tactical gameplay.

The player model's head move and turn, when you freelook in third person, which is why you can never get a nice screenshot of your face. Edited January 5, 2014 by Dallas

[tommes 331]

Is that a serious statement?

Dead serious. It would work and I'd be happy.

[Gerandar 212]

Why should we care who leave the game any way? As long as you already paid, from a business perspective whether you stay or not doesn't really hurt future sales.

I get the feeling DayZ was adopted by people who are not part of the target demographic for FPS games.

 

you are all sorts of special.....this not a strictly FPS game, keep trying to make it one tho.

 

and why should we care about the first person minority? they already paid shut down the failed first person servers and force them back into the normal playerbase.

[tommes 331]

And there we go again.....1st or leave....whats with you people. 

 

Want to punish players that are enjoying the game perfectly well without the bieng forced into 1st. 

 

Our impact on your gampleay experiance, with seprate hives - NONE

 

Your impact on our game play by pushing this agenda - HUGE

 

You are being greedy as hell, you knew 1st was a niche, the mod proved that....the SA is doing a good job of proving it aswell.

You're arguing a non issue...as you guys just always do. I don't have the power to force you and I would settle for the non rendering of out of line of sight objects. Who's butthurt now? Still afraid devs gonna take your precious 3PP out of the game? Not going to happen. So what is your problem? Afraid you can't scope out other people over fences anymore?

The reason I don't respect you guys is that you react like teenagers afraid of somebody taking away their cellphone. You can't live without that little thingy and probably feel physical pain while seperated from it. Grow some balls! Stay on topic! Make some points! Don't attack me! You can't hit me anyway.

[MikeReverb 49]

You're arguing a non issue...as you guys just always do. I don't have the power to force you and I would settle for the non rendering of out of line of sight objects. Who's butthurt now? Still afraid devs gonna take your precious 3PP out of the game? Not going to happen. So what is your problem? Afraid you can't scope out other people over fences anymore?

The reason I don't respect you guys is that you react like teenagers afraid of somebody taking away their cellphone. You can't live without that little thingy and probably feel physical pain while seperated from it. Grow some balls! Stay on topic! Make some points! Don't attack me! You can't hit me anyway.

 

Hahaha, your last point is hilarious, man, and spot on in many cases.

 

I'll admit that at first I'd be dismayed at the loss of third person, but that's only because I'm so used to it. 3rd person controls in DayZ are just like Skyrim, Fallout 3, or Oblivion: not ideal for combat or other situations--I always stayed in 1st person in those games.

 

But to keep yourself alive right now, it's necessary (at least for me). If EVERYONE had to go first person, then I wouldn't mind one bit, honestly. It'd make the game more realistic. Again, it would have to be everyone. :P

[tommes 331]

I think we need more 3rd person ONLY servers. In fact let's go even further with that. How about we just remove 1st person view entirely from the game? Imagine how many people would quit if they lost their precious 1st person playstyle?

Answer: Less than if you removed 3rd person

Oh, please make 3rd person only servers! Please!

Or remove it completely from DayZ! Would be great. Then I can finally delete it from my harddrive and leave you guys to your console style gaming.

I'd only be curious how many actually would play this game without 1st person view.

[serenityrick 218]

The whole "I like to see my character move" is a terrible argument for keeping 3rd person... and "I just like it" is also a terrible argument.

 

It not only adds nothing to the realism of a zombie survival game but actually detracts from it in a very serious way. Take out the PvP element altogether. Once zombies are more numerous and more threatening, exactly how scary will they be when you can see all of them from the safety a fucking wall?

 

So far the only arguments I'm seeing for 3rd person is preference.. whereas the arguments for 1st person are numerous and cogent. 

 

3rd person view isn't cheating.. and anyone arguing that is wrong. But it IS exploitative. And that cannot be debated in any way, shape or form. 

[Gerandar 212]

The whole "I like to see my character move" is a terrible argument for keeping 3rd person... and "I just like it" is also a terrible argument.

 

It not only adds nothing to the realism of a zombie survival game but actually detracts from it in a very serious way. Take out the PvP element altogether. Once zombies are more numerous and more threatening, exactly how scary will they be when you can see all of them from the safety a fucking wall?

 

So far the only arguments I'm seeing for 3rd person is preference.. whereas the arguments for 1st person are numerous and cogent. 

 

3rd person view isn't cheating.. and anyone arguing that is wrong. But it IS exploitative. And that cannot be debated in any way, shape or form. 

 

Realism = zombies. we all agree 3rd person camera needs work not removal. heres a stick beat the dead horse.

[PaxC4T 159]

I'm sure its been said, but I need to say it myself.

Why cant you people just make your own, first person only servers? Seriously.

Why should people have their gameplay altered just because a few people dont like a feature?

[tommes 331]

...we have an option in the game and options are always good.

That is simply wrong. Choice is not always good. People tend to chose everything but wise all over the place on all sorts of occasions. Choice is limited by rules everywhere to make things go round.