Sniper Rifles

[Diggydug (DayZ) 331]

We need windage and elevation adjustments like A.C.E for any sniper rifles. It's only fair. You want to try and snipe me, fine. But it should at least take some skill. 

 

Agreed. Strong winds in Chernarus+ (or whatever we're calling it). What with those fast moving clouds and swaying pines. Not that I'd want the snipers in question any more, but if they are added I definitely want other variables to come into the equation.

 

The argument I've seen for all the "it's a zombie survival game" when they want something stupid like blood types when transfusing... guess what.. those high powered rifles are real.. and it's realistic. So why not?

If we have to go through the tedious and stupid process of finding out someones blood type simply because it's realistic, there should be high powered stuff because it's also realistic. Just saying.. 

 

Who said they weren't real? When people argue realism it's generally the logistics of a western special forces rifle of which there are very few in the world (relatively speaking) in some backwoods Eastern European country with nothing of interest to those powers...

And even if western powers got involved why were they bringing high caliber anti-material rifles to combat unarmed mad men? .50 cals are not anti-infantry, even if Hollywood says otherwise.

[-Gews- 7443]

Adding a scope to an enfield does not make it a sniper rifle. There is a difference between a military sniper and a hunting rifle.

Lee-Enfield and Mosin were top of the line MILITARY rifles back when they were introduced. They issued scoped Mosins and Lee-Enfields to SNIPERS.

Sniper rifle.

[strngplyr 26]

so what, what makes you think that you couldnt find it in a military base, maybe youd have to replace your backpack for it or something to make it a pain in the ass to carry around, but just leaving it out? DayZ without AS50 is no real DayZ. The AS50 was always like the high end goal to archive, along with a car.

 

Coming from someone in the military and someone who has lived on/visted dozens of military bases and seen their armories, I have yet to see an AS50 in one. Plenty of M4's, M16's, Biretta M9's, M249, M240B's and L's and M203/320 Grenade launchers, but never a Barret or Barret Equivalent.

 

Though, to be fair, the gun shop down the street sells one.

[Avallanche 121]

Well, everybody is talking about realism vs gameplay and forgeting about the main reason there are not .50 rifles in Dayz. 

 

It's a design decision. Deal with it.

Edited December 21, 2013 by leodacosta

[Knightmare (DayZ) 109]

Well, everybody is talking about realism vs gameplay and forgeting about the main reason there are not .50 rifles in Dayz. 

 

It's a design decision. Deal with it.

 

Tactical. Nuclear. Weapons. Realism.

 

-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM-

 

You are dead.

 

Chyeah! What's this design decision stuff you're mumbling about, can't hear you over the sound of my mushroom cloud baby!

[Boger9 0]

The chances of you seeing one of these in real life is so slim, why would you want to see it in a game based in some back woods European country?

You can achieve one shot kills with many snipers, take your time and AIM.  

 

 I for one think all this arguing could be put to use suggesting rifles obtainable to average joe's making a normal paycheck.  There are thousands.

 

In the end headshots are 1 shot kills anyway.

[ProGamerGov 74]

People that want sniper rifles = mentally handicapped/waste of oxygen.

Seriously, stop suggesting things that will ruin the experience.

AS50 is typical a newbies weapon, only noobs use it. Want a one shot sniper? Get lapua, it#s about the same but not spamable like AS50 is.

One of the great things about the mod was being able to become overpowered in the first place. This isn't a PvP centric game, but some people are arguing like it is and it will ruin there stupid sense of balance in a survival simulator...

If your only argument is weapon balance, please go play the mod. We don't need this turning into constant buffs and nerfs for some stupid sense of balance. Let's try to keep things realistic.

On the actual intelligent side of things, the AS50 is a gas powered rifle and is made by the British. Why would I want to have to rely on gas that would run out because more gas is not coming into chernarus anymore. If it was Russian then I could see that happening but why would a British rfle exist in some part of Russia no one cares about?

Edited December 21, 2013 by ProGamerGov

[lommetyv 47]

Rocket launchers where in the mod, they where extreely rare and nobody used them cause they replaced your backpack which made them unpractical. So yea make the AS50 like that, ill be happy and the rest of you will be to cause the majority will not be using it since like said above its not practical.

Yes, but the thing with the rocket launcher was that it was pretty realistic. If you stood behind someone firing the rocket launcher, you would get killed by the backblast. Make the .50 realistic too, making you break your freakin' arm everytime you fire a shot, because you're just another civilian idiot, who never had any training in operating a .50

[ProGamerGov 74]

Yes, but the thing with the rocket launcher was that it was pretty realistic. If you stood behind someone firing the rocket launcher, you would get killed by the backblast. Make the .50 realistic too, making you break your freakin' arm everytime you fire a shot, because you're just another civilian idiot, who never had any training in operating a .50

Funny thing is in the United States, on many occasions rocket launchers have been confiscated or turned over to police. So it's not far fetched for them to exist.

[DickSharpe 23]

 

-No average person can controll the recoil of an m4 without training.

 

 

Edited for the benefit of strngplyr as he cleary tried to read between the lines and got it wrong: hope this clears thing up for you mate. I have put the edits red so that they can be seen easily.

 

You obviously have little experience of real world firearms (not a dig at you because firearms are not every ones thing or easily obtainable to some people). 

 

However I have to say you are wrong on this. I have no formal military or law enforcement training and I can handle my AR-15 (same platform as M4 just the civilian version) very well. They are in fact incredibly simple to use, put it in the hands of any kid (under supervision of course) who has played COD, BF4, and they will know the basic operation of the weapon such as loading, cocking, safety switch.

 

An untrained user may find full auto a shock at first as I did when I hired one on a range in the US but I got used it rather quickly, so I imagine with a bit of time an untrained user would learn to compensate for this.  Maintenance is another issue and you would require some training or at least someone to show you how to do this. (hence why they should break relativity quick in SA)

 

As for the recoil It is minimal compared the Mosin Nagant 1891/30 or Lee Enfield Mk4 or Park Hale .270 that I own and these are rifles that are commonly use as hunting rifles here in NZ by people as young as 16 (legal age to get a firearms licence in NZ).

 

As for the AS50 etc. They are not needed in the game. A Mosin in the right hands with scope should be able out to shoot out at about 500m (not sure if in game mechanics allow this yet or will allow this) probably more which is far beyond the accurate or practical range of modern AR's (both in game and real life) which are optimized for use at about 300m as most infantry vs infantry engagements take place within this range anyway. At a range of 400-500m an AR is not an (accurate) threat if you have a Rifle. 

 

But the long and short of it is that Rocket does not want them and its his game, so drink a cup of concrete harden up and deal with it :) 

 

Lastly and as a side note: The M4 (originally produced in the USA, but now made under Licence all over the world and even copied by the likes of Chinese manufacturer Norinco) along with its many military and civilian variants is a widely used and widely exported AR platform, Used in some form by basically every NATO country and even some Ex-Comblock/Warsaw Pact countries. It is a weapon used by many special forces (even some Russian and Polish and Georgian units)  around world due to it modular nature and the wide availability of the ammo, and  as Chernarus (pre-outbreak) was a break away from the old Soviet State aided by the west (US Marine Intervention force Arma2) in its civil war against the pro- Russian Chedaki, It is not entirely unreasonable to find some M4's laying about.   

Edited December 21, 2013 by DickSharpe

[Sickerthansars 53]

You hope their not getting added again, tell me why? Nobody can give me a real reason.

Because realistically speaking no avg joe is going to be able to pick up a m82 50 cal sniper and be able to fire with any degree of accuracy at 500+ meter shots to be honest the avg joe probably isnt going to be very accurate even at 300m+, theres a reason snipers have to go through extra training to be able to use those type of weapon systems

[failhorse 2]

I'm confused. Why must I jump through hoops just to heal someone. Yet I can attach any existing scope in the game. Granted they're not snipers. But dead on accurate w/o making any adjustments. My character must be a marksman, but not a healer. realistic > realism

[strngplyr 26]

You obviously have little experience of real world firearms (not a dig at you because firearms are not every ones thing or easily obtainable to some people). 

 

However I have to say you are wrong on this. I have no formal military or law enforcement training and I can handle my AR-15 very well. They are in fact incredibly simple to use, put it in the hands of any kid (under supervision of course) who has played COD, BF4, and they will know the basic operation of the weapon such as loading, cocking, safety switch. They may find full auto a shock at first but you get used it it rather quickly. 

 

 

Oh, so, your civilian AR-15 has full auto? 

 

Attention everyone, we've found a bullshitter, i say again, attention everyone, we have located a grade-A Bull-shitter!

Edited December 21, 2013 by strngplyr

[Daemonkid 493]

It doesn't fit the setting, nor would the military deploy a .50 sniper rifle in the event of the zombie apocalypse. It's not practical. On that note, .maybe a 50 cal could be added in the future, as a vehicle mounted weapon when vehicles and vehicle modding is added and working, and make the ammo super rare, because ya know the troops expended most of them on the oncoming hordes. 

Edited December 21, 2013 by Daemonkid

[AP_Norris 1018]

Depends on the ammoFigure on > 10% remaining energy at 2300, > 5% at 3000At 2300 would still be going as fast as a handgun bullet and it weighs 5-6x as much as 9mm

Probably can't go much further if it's already subsonic at 2,300

[Wo3dy 111]

I,m a sniperfan. but i agree on most people/ AS.50,M107. leave it out.

DMR is good enough as high grade sniperrifle, as is the SVD.

 

and for those that think every sniper is just a troll, that aint true either.

i loved being around the coast. overlooking city's and Help new-spawns actualy. killing zombies/players hunting them. lol even Counter-sniping. at cherno/elektro.

 

not saying i never killed a guy in cold blood. but i have my limits.

[-Gews- 7443]

Probably can't go much further if it's already subsonic at 2,300

 

It can go over 6.5 km

[LigerNoir 4]

I like what is being done with the Mosin.  Just adding a PU scope, although a low power, gets the job done at good ranges.

[-Gews- 7443]

I like what is being done with the Mosin.  Just adding a PU scope, although a low power, gets the job done at good ranges.

 

I wish it was the actual 3.5x magnification though.

 

Compared to the naked eye, it only zooms a bit less than 1.4x right now! :huh:

[Merrick362 (DayZ) 263]

Adding a scope to an enfield does not make it a sniper rifle. There is a difference between a military sniper and a hunting rifle.

The Mosin Nagant IS a military rifle, and adding a scope does indeed make it a sniper rifle. Historically, it was extremely effective when employed in this role.

[Wo3dy 111]

The Mosin Nagant IS a military rifle, and adding a scope does indeed make it a sniper rifle. Historically, it was extremely effective when employed in this role.

Kinda sad people Complain about stuff. they probably dont know anything about, is it not?

 

as you said Mosin Nagant is a military rifle. made by a russian and a belgian. used by hero of the sovjet-union Vasili Zajtsev. that killed over 200 soldiers and officers of the german army in the battle of stalingrad.

 

and i bet/know that some snipers in those years, are still better then alot of snipers in this time.

as an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQRpAxGVg4M

[Diggydug (DayZ) 331]

I'm confused. Why must I jump through hoops just to heal someone. Yet I can attach any existing scope in the game. Granted they're not snipers. But dead on accurate w/o making any adjustments. My character must be a marksman, but not a healer. realistic > realism

 

When people arguing "realism" for rifles like this being in the game, they generally mean logistically. As I've already said, if you play STALKER, do you get pissy when there's no M16s and FN SCARs? They even have an economy where it would be possible to get that but for the setting it makes no sense and I don't see people questioning it.

 

The reason people want it here is because this is multiplayer and they want an advantage over someone who has no idea they exist. The vast majority likely just find joy in murdering discretely and the rifles, no matter how rare, wouldn't be very uncommon after awhile due to server hopping so it'd become a big mess quite quick. Is it worth it? We've seen it happen once, why wouldn't it happen again when more people are playing?

 

Back to your main point, the game isn't aiming to be 100% realistic, but it does have a proper setting (Chernarus) and it's meant to follow real world logic.

If you want to get into medical issues...when has morphine healed bones? Blood being stored at warm temperatures? Stopping bleeding immediately with rags?

We're not aiming for realism, but we do want the game to not take a step back to where it was, and keep to its setting.

Edited December 21, 2013 by Diggydug

[B-Rocafella 0]

Guys, it should be obvious Rocket played and -loved- the "Last of Us" as many of us have. That game pretty much added alot to the mind-set of this game. I hope this game's weapons and crafting system follows closely to that games archetype. I'm not too thrilled that the m4 is in this game already. I would have much preferred a 3 shot burst mid range rifle instead of fully auto, but oh well...

[DocManiac 5]

DayZ without AS50 is no real DayZ. The AS50 was always like the high end goal to archive, along with a car.

 

You sir, never played the "real DayZ".

[SneezeJunky 12]

No .50 cal?!?! omg game is ruined. 

 

I would atleast expect tanks and rocket launchers then

 

 

 

lol jk. I wouldn't mind if there were few sniper rifles in-game. But not too many semi-automatic (Like the DMR). And no 5.50 cal sounds good to me <3